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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
There's a bunch of cards like that. Rishadan Port is the one that comes to mind most. Why is this card not extremely expensive now? It's hard to find, from a set no one bought much of, and incredibly hard to pack from boosters. I always thought it should be in the $100 range by now.
I can think of a few more, that should be stupid expensive later.
Because its only played in Lands and Goblins? Because its only played in 1 format? Because it was in a set that had way larger print run than Legends? etc, etc...
Port already jumped quite high in price - infact 6 months or so ago it almost doubled its price.
It can go higher, reaching that "stupid expensive" status, if that new "overextended" format happens and Port doesn't get reprinted along the way.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
majikal
Possibly some well timed Bojuka Bog action, or they were both using Smokestack sans Mindslaver. It's feasible for this kind of thing to happen, although not entirely common.
Typically, the matchup breaks down where:
One person plays manabond (they win)
One person plays manabond and the other color-screws them out.
One person gets loam online earlier
The mirror is one of the fastest game-1s around.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
mchainmail
Typically, the matchup breaks down where:
One person plays manabond (they win)
One person plays manabond and the other color-screws them out.
One person gets loam online earlier
The mirror is one of the fastest game-1s around.
As I said, feasible but not common.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
@sdematt
(I'm referring to English Moats)
Of course, the sold out at 300$ thing means absolutely nothing. The sole fact that it's listed there at that price makes me cringe, which is why I was poiting it out. In this day and age you would think people would look around, shop more and stop buying things too high, but it seems it's not the case.
I still see a tendency on Moat. I've been holding onto mine for a long while, checking around periodically if it lost value or was on the rise, as it's a card I really like. At the beginning of the summer english Moats could be had for 130-140$. If it were only one auction at 200+ I wouldn't even be mentioning it, but 5 different ones last week ended at 200$ish, which is definitely higher than a few months ago. Whether this is the actual value of the card is indeed another question, but it seems these days people don't mind paying more for it than they used to.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
currently on ebay:
Daze foil playset at 123$, still bidding
Daze foil single, 51$ BIN
unreal. I mean, a foil common goes almost at the same price of a dual? what the heck happened to the price of those???
i'm so happy i just got 2x last week valued at 16 eur each.
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This is indeed worrying. What next ? Invasion ramping prices ? Looks like we have a 10 years sliding window in which, when a set falls in, make the price skyrocket.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
kiblast
There's so little supply, it's irrelevant... if several people really want them, they'll pay whatever they need to for them.
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I fail to understand how foil commons became a "necessity".
I do agree that certain older cards have climbed very quickly, likely due to EDH in no small part. Also to do with niche cards such as Loyal Retainers (thank Iona for that).
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
The price of Daze is so ridiculous because Masques block wasn't exactly very popular and wasn't drafted as much. This was also after the big fallout of Urza's block too so you had less people playing and an underpowered block.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Amon Amarth
The price of Daze is so ridiculous because Masques block wasn't exactly very popular and wasn't drafted as much. This was also after the big fallout of Urza's block too so you had less people playing and an underpowered block.
Add to the fact that there were fewer foils per box at that time. I cracked a box of Nemesis a few months ago and only got a handful of foils and no rare foil.
I recently traded away my foil Dazes . . . I'm too nervous that they'll just make more foil Daze in some other form and then the prices will drop on the older ones. Part of the problem is not just that Nemesis ones are comparatively scarce, it's also – I believe – the only Daze foil (i.e. no promos were made).
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Foils were actually easy as hell to get from Masques. There was a problem in production with that set. I remember going to the pre-release and the head judge got up and told people if they got an all foil pack to call a judge and they would give you a different one for the sealed deck. There were literally all foil packs and all foil booster boxes. I saw quite a few. I guess it was balanced out a little bit by the lack of foils in the regular boxes. I think it was a 6:1 ratio. Only surpassed by Coldsnap for "tough to pack foils".
Amon is right, Urza's block drove people away in droves especially from Vintage. There was a seriously stupid deck at the time that was for all intents and purposes unbeatable. It got banned out of existence pretty quickly, but the damage was done. Then after the super power of Tinker in Standard and the Masturbator in vintage (blame Chapin for the name), we got Rebels and Mercenaries. Ummmm, yeah...
It was far from being awesome. Not many people bought that set at all from the lot that was leftover from being bashed into the ground by Academy decks.
The Dazes are just in serious demand and well, let's face it, can you imagine how bad a Daze is in Limited? Yeah, it's serious crap. Who wants a force spike in limited? We tended to trash cards back then quite a bit. Maybe not as bad as we trashed on beta and alpha, but we tossed many a card and turned plenty of Masques into cardboard airplanes. that was about the time period of the end of Ante also. Iron man destroyed a few by itself.
I can't count how many Dazes I tore up. I still had tons in my commons boxes when it started becoming popular in Legacy again. I don't think many people realize how many cards would have been lost to getting trashed during that time due to us older players and how we ripped them up when we hated the card. It happened more than you think. foils were also kind of crappy still. We compared it to Pokemon foils. Pretty, but nothing most people would actually play with.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
I don't think many people realize how many cards would have been lost to getting trashed during that time due to us older players and how we ripped them up when we hated the card. It happened more than you think. foils were also kind of crappy still. We compared it to Pokemon foils. Pretty, but nothing most people would actually play with.
Hahaha, it always makes me laugh to think about all the cards I've destroyed in this manner over the years. I used to peel the stickers off of foil cards, too. I remember when Urza's Legacy came out and being like, "What the fuck is this shiny crap? I can't play with this!" And somehow I kept packing Pygmy Pyrosaur foils, which just added to my rage.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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majikal
Hahaha, it always makes me laugh to think about all the cards I've destroyed in this manner over the years. I used to peel the stickers off of foil cards, too. I remember when Urza's Legacy came out and being like, "What the fuck is this shiny crap? I can't play with this!" And somehow I kept packing
Pygmy Pyrosaur foils, which just added to my rage.
Pygmy Pyrosaur was my first foil; I was 12 and I pulled it out of the only UL pack I ever bought so I thought it was really special. I never knew anyone who played ironman Magic or anything; when you're a poor middle school kid every card in your collection is valuable even if it's useless.
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I'm pretty sure i have a foil Daze or two. I just hated foils back then (and now) and just gave them all away typically, but i'm sure i have one or two left
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Parax
I'm pretty sure i have a foil Daze or two. I just hated foils back then (and now) and just gave them all away typically, but i'm sure i have one or two left
parax, you have a PM
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
Octopusman
Speaking of price creep, a $23 black T shirt? Fuck that noise.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Meekrab
Speaking of price creep, a $23 black T shirt? Fuck that noise.
My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
necro'ed just to inform you that here in Italy something really weird is going on: prices for various vintage staples, such as P9s and Drains, fell A LOT in comparison with older market/ebay.com prices.
I don't know if this is happening only here...but I have been told that recently, at Lucca's comics and games convention (the biggest we have in Italy with thousands of people attending), 150 eur Minty Risucchia potere (italian legends Drains) playset were left unsold. Also Mox ruby going for 80eur (roughly 110 usd) and other moxen ranging from 100 to 250 eur (130-280 usd)....i'm talking of course of unlimited. Strange, isn't it?
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Was looking at some cards tonight, how the hell has stoneforge mystic ticked up to 10 dollars on SCG? Abyssal persecutor is ticking up as well, are these played alot somewhere i'm not seeing?
