Re: [Deck] Sneak and Show
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genuine fugazi
Brainstorm, Impulse, Cunning Wish. Then you use Impulse to find a spell that costs more than anything in your opponent's deck (e.g. Emrakul), use Brainstorm to put it on top of your library and then Wish for Release the Ants. You would do that if you need to win at an instant speed.
Thanks for the reply, I assume if you don't have your inpulse in the library you can just omit that selection?
Also, I assume there's generally not much issue of whiffing when you are at that stage and not finding an Emrakul or Griselbrand?
I just bought the cards I was missing for the wish board, going to give that a try this week :) Also happy to know it has better game against D&T, that deck is currently my nemesis.... :mad:
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As JPA said, if you're not in a situation where you absolutely must win at instant speed, you can just grab Intuition and find whichever creature you prefer.
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Went a disappointing 9-6 at GP Prague, after finishing day 1 at 8-1. Couldn't do anything on day 2, cantrips into cantrips into nothing, very bad luck overall.
Friday Trial
2-0 Miracles
2-0 Aggro Loam
2-0 Eldrazi
2-0 Miracles
2-0 Infect
Saturday Day 1
Bye
Bye
2-0 Elves
2-0 Jund
2-1 Shardless BUG
1-2 Shardless BUG
2-0 Shardless BUG
2-1 Elves
2-1 Eldrazi
Sunday Day 2
1-2 Miracles
0-2 Deathblade
0-2 Miracles
2-0 Death and Taxes
1-2 Eldrazi
0-2 Shardless BUG
I played my Omnisneakshow list. You can find it at the bottom of this article.
Even though the deck failed me, another player made Top 8 with 74/75 my list, which confirms my opinion that it's very well-positioned in the current metagame. Still, I'll probably take a break from S&T-strategies, feel a little burned out.
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Tough luck on day 2 JPA but the deck certainly feels well positioned at the moment.
Anything in the 75 you'd change?
Re: [Deck] Sneak and Show
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RhoxWarMonk
Anything in the 75 you'd change?
Maybe add a second Boseiju to the sideboard. You always want to have it against Miracles, and as a 1-of you find it a little too irregularly.
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I'm also interested in this hybrid build (does it have a proper name yet?), may I ask what you would cut for the second bosejiu?
Thanks!
Re: [Deck] Sneak and Show
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Daniel89
does it have a proper name yet?
Omnisneakshow? Sneak and Omni Show?
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Daniel89
may I ask what you would cut for the second bosejiu?
The third Blood Moon, most likely.
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I've been calling it Sneak and Omni Show personally :)
I was wondering the same thing, thanks JPA! I will try a second Bosejiu over the 3rd blood moon as well.
I assume you wouldn't make any changes to the instants? Are you running a pyroclasm in your build? I saw it somewhere but the fact it's a sorcery really turns me off it :confused:
Re: [Deck] Sneak and Show
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RhoxWarMonk
Are you running a pyroclasm in your build? I saw it somewhere but the fact it's a sorcery really turns me off it :confused:
Not sure if that's a serious question. :laugh: Firstly, I posted my hybrid list many times in this thread and can't find a Pyroclasm in any of them. Secondly, Kozilek's Return fills the role of Pyroclasm in a Cunning Wish - build.
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As of late, i'm thinking a lot about the transformational sideboard with monastery mentor and giving it a try in a local tourney.
Since i don't play Legacy that often, against which decks do you bring it in? shardless? dnt? grixis delver?
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I'm switching over to the hybrid list from Omnitell, personally I like the name Omnitack for the deck.
Now for a question about the deck, what is the opinion on Leyline of Sanctity? Is it just too clunky, is there not enough room in the sideboard? How bad is the match-ups against heavy discard decks?
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JPA
Not sure if that's a serious question. :laugh: Firstly, I posted my hybrid list many times in this thread and can't find a Pyroclasm in any of them. Secondly, Kozilek's Return fills the role of Pyroclasm in a Cunning Wish - build.
I obviously got the top 8 GP Prague list mixed up with yours (pretty easy to do)... so yes, it was a serious question and yes, some people obviously do run it out of the wish board, I just don't understand why. :) I was wondering if you found it useful as an actual "board in card" for decks like DnT and Elves but since it's not in your lists, it's a moot point lol. Kozilek's return just seems so much better (obviously you agree :laugh:).
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Piloted JPAs list to a 4th place finish at a local event with 30 some people.
The only change to the list was adding the 2nd Boseiju over the 3rd Blood Moon in the board.
The deck felt and performed AMAZING.
My 2 losses came from Miracles in the swiss (where I punted an easy win) and to Reanimator in the eleimation rounds.
Can any give suggestions how to board the Cunning Wish builds? Generally I just cut Preordain for either the Boseiju or the Blood Moon depending on the match.
I did wonder if I should board in additonal cards to the main for weaker options and basically make Cunning Wish hit Surgical agaisnt reanimator, but board in REB and Flusterstorm for game 2 and 3- Is some variation of thing thinking correct, or don't board in Wish targets?
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nodahero
Piloted JPAs list to a 4th place finish at a local event with 30 some people.
The only change to the list was adding the 2nd Boseiju over the 3rd Blood Moon in the board.
The deck felt and performed AMAZING.
Congrats, I'm glad the deck performed well for you.
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nodahero
Can any give suggestions how to board the Cunning Wish builds? Generally I just cut Preordain for either the Boseiju or the Blood Moon depending on the match.
I did wonder if I should board in additonal cards to the main for weaker options and basically make Cunning Wish hit Surgical agaisnt reanimator, but board in REB and Flusterstorm for game 2 and 3- Is some variation of thing thinking correct, or don't board in Wish targets?
Your approach is quite similar to mine, even though Intuition gets boarded out over Preordain in most matchups, hedging against Surgical Extraction. Reanimator and Storm are decks where Cunning Wish into REB/Flusterstorm is often too slow, while Cunning Wish into Surgical Extraction is fast enough that you want to have access to 3 Surgical Extractions instead of 1.
Against Miracles, another example, you want to leave REB in the sideboard to have the option of Cunning Wishing EOT for the combo turn or for countering Jace/Counterbalance/Clique. With my MOCS list, I actually only boarded 1 Flusterstorm 1 Boseiju for 1 Intuition 1 City of Traitors against Miracles (would be 2 Boseiju for 2 City with the double Boseiju sideboard).
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Last summer, (last time I played Sneak and Show a lot) I was boarding out the basic mountain against any deck that didn't have Wasteland. Is this still common practice or is it better to board out the City of Traitors instead, as described above by JPA?
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DNSolver
Last summer, (last time I played Sneak and Show a lot) I was boarding out the basic mountain against any deck that didn't have Wasteland. Is this still common practice or is it better to board out the City of Traitors instead, as described above by JPA?
I don't board out the Mountain with the hybrid build in any matchup, but that's more because of the general configuration than it not being viable. With regular Sneak and Show, boarding out the Mountain against Combo decks is very common practice.
I might start writing a primer / new thread for the hybrid, to avoid further confusion in discussion of traditional Sneak and Show and Omnisneak. The decks definitely have significant differences, but still I'm not sure the hybrid requires its own thread. Maybe it's just a natural evolution or a different build of Sneak and Show and doesn't even need a new name. What do you guys think?
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@JPA: It has been a while since I actively played and Sneak and Show variants, however your list felt exactly like the old variants in play style. Personally I feel like it is merely a variant of the origianl. I was one of the first ones moving towards a "more controlling" Sneak and Show list by playing Tops years ago to some decent finishes at SCG opens with a couple of Top 16s.
At the moment I am more interested in the value of playing the red cards instead of playing a more standard OmniTell deck. More often than not I was able to play a better game with Omnicience then by getting Emrakul or Griselbrand into play; both dudes were very powerful, however I never came close to fizzeling with an Omniscience in play due to lines like S&T into Omni where my opponent put in Ashen Rider-with any other threat I was dead- due to Omniscience though I simply Cunning Wished into FF into Cunning, Impulse, and Brainstorm then Wished for Trickbind and blew him out.
Re: [Deck] Sneak and Show
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JPA
Omnisneakshow? Sneak and Omni Show?
The third Blood Moon, most likely.
How about somthing like..."Omni Attack"? 2-words phrase is usually easier to pronounce/remember, than 3-4 words phrases, or long compounds.
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Tokugawa
How about somthing like..."Omni Attack"? 2-words phrase is usually easier to pronounce/remember, than 3-4 words phrases, or long compounds.
Personally I like Omnitack.
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Tokugawa
How about somthing like..."Omni Attack"? 2-words phrase is usually easier to pronounce/remember, than 3-4 words phrases, or long compounds.
I have been using OmniAttack for quite a while now. Since I went to a similar list back in Feb.