[DTB] Vial Goblins

You probably should play 1 MD Tin-street to blow up problematic artifacts, its pretty much just better than Tinkerer.

Also Im not sure why youre running Mad Auntie, and also Im not sure 4 Weirding 1 Gempalm is right, but a split of them is probably best depending how many slots you have. In your list I would cut a Wort for a Tin-Street, and cut Mad Auntie for another Gempalm, and possibly cut some number of Weirdings for Gempalms, I havnt tested Weirding though so Im not sure how good it is compared to Gempalm.

For your Sb I would do away with the 1-ofs and play something like 4 Therapy, 4 Engineered Explosives, 4 Leyline, 3 Krosan Grip, although Im not sure Leyline is necessary in the meta you described, Crypt or Pyrokinesis may just be better.

Also, does anyone else think running Blood Moon Sb may be a good idea with all the Thresh/Landstill running around?

I think that you are right about the blood moons and I am going to add a few. Thanks for the input!

I've been running Blood Moon off and on in Goblins' sideboard for awhile now. I like it for the most part. I'm not entirely convinced it's necessary, but Goblins is certainly capable of running it without much difficulty in a metagame where it would be beneficial to do so.

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Originally Posted by jj2423

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Here is my build post Morningtide:

1 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Warchief
1 Mad Auntie
4 Mogg Fanatic
2 Siege-Gang Commander
2 Wort, Boggart Auntie

4 Warren Weirding
4 Aether Vial

4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Mountain
2 Taiga
4 Wasteland
4 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard
1 Goblin King
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Mad Auntie
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pyrokinesis
4 Leyline of the Void

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I would suggest on the following changes to the main deck.

-1 Mad Auntie
-1 Wort
-1 Warrens Wierding
-1 Piledriver
+1 Land (I believe 23 lands is the correct number to run in Goblins)
+1 Incinerator
+1 Tin Street Hooligan
+1 Goblin Sharpshooter (You can also add the 3rd Siege-Gang or the 2nd Wort if you really don't like sharpshooter)

SB (My Current Board)

2 Engineered Explosives
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Krosan Grip
3 Pyrokinesis
4 Chalice of the Void

I've been running a manabase of 23 lands, but with 2 Ancient Tombs.

3 Mires
3 Foothills
4 Badlands
2 Taiga
4 Wasteland
5 Mountain
2 Ancient Tomb

I've been really happy with the 2 Tombs. They allow for a ton of awesome plays. You can skip your 2 drop (which is generally pretty terrible) and go straight into Matron. Dropping 2 Vials on turn 1 is rather awesome, or you can dodge Daze on the play if you're really good at reading Thresh players. Tomb is obviously good at powering out SGC and Wort, and it helps activate SGC's ability more easily (2 Mountains + Tomb to fling for 4, instead of 4 Mountains to do the same).

And my sideboard:
4 Leyline
4 Chalice
3 Grip
3 Pyrokinesis
1 Meta Goblins (Goblins Sharpshooter, 2nd TSH, Goblin Tinkerer, etc)

Post board, I feel Tomb gets even better. Chalice at 1 on turn 1 is pretty busted against Threshold and storm based combo. It also makes Leyline somewhat realistic to hardcast if you draw into it. Krosan Grip can be cast more easily, too.

Some lists run 2 Ports in this slot, but I feel that the Vial + Port gameplan is just too slow in the meta today. Tomb helps ameliorate this issue and can really help speed up the clock game 1 and hasten the disruption games 2 and 3.

That's exactly what I was thinking of when I suggested Tomb a while back. Good to hear it works.

How does CotV@1 go along with Lackey, Vial and Fanatic ?

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Originally Posted by savemysoul

How does CotV@1 go along with Lackey, Vial and Fanatic ?

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Turning off Dark Ritual, Rite of Flame, Brainstorm, Ponder, and Swords is some good, I hear.

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Originally Posted by savemysoul

How does CotV@1 go along with Lackey, Vial and Fanatic ?

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Just side it in in place of Fanatics. If you play it turn 2 you have plenty of time of playing that lackey/vial in your hand on turn 1. Lackey and vial lose much of their power if played in turn >2 so it's not really that great deal.

What is the correct balance of Warren's Weirding, Gempalm Incinerator, and Mogg Fanatic in this deck? Assuming you have 10 slots or less for them, would this be acceptable?

3x Warren Weirding
3x Gempalm Incinerator
4x Mogg Fanatic

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Originally Posted by Drow Slayer

Assuming you have 10 slots or less for them, would this be acceptable?

3x Warren Weirding
3x Gempalm Incinerator
4x Mogg Fanatic

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I'd go with
4x Weirding
2x Gempalm
4x Fanatics

This is just because you want weirding early in the game and gempalm midgame.

In Rgb builds, I'd go with 3 Weirding, 2 Incinerator, 4 Fanatic, and a Tin-Street Hooligan.

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

When/why did people start running Goblin Sledder, exactly? Does someone have an explanation as to why Goblin Sledder isn't complete crap?

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Reading is Tech.

//Sledder//
Pros:
Screws Jitte and bridge repeatedly (my main reason, as goblins almost scoops to jittte)
If you have a mad auntie/king out and someone pyroclasms, sledder lets all of your X/2 guys survive (and half of the X/1 guys)
Sledder gets a lackey through a goose (well, lackey might not connect, but lackey survives and goose bites it) whereas fanatic sits there looking sad
Sledder can come in through vial and ruin someone's day with math
Sledder is tinkerer's BFF (other than the one-of mad auntie) as he can help tinkerers kill and survive jittes, platings, crucibles, ect.
The single most important goblin in the ULTRA late-game (sledder and dual mad auntie helped me win aagainst a WR rifter deck sliding tividar AND hierarch late game after dropping two SCGs- EPIC combat)

Cons:
Doesnt kill bob, mom, or other important X/1 guys (though gempalm seems better at this, if only slightly more mana intensive, but generates CA)
Isn't as relavent in the mirror (depending on what they bring in, if sharpshooter, I'd rather have fanatic, if kinesis/jitte, I'd rather have sledder, but either way, sledder doesnt kill an opposing lackey like fanatic

//Fanatic//
Pros:
Kills bob, mom, illusionist (if not online or protected) ect
RFGs a bridge and kills an ichorid at the ame time
more aggresive in nature, doesnt need friends to play with
Stops jitte once, possibly killing the wielder and preventing counters
better at making lackey CONNECT if your opponent has an X/1 blocker (less likely nowadays, as it'll probably be a goose,plated sliver or a treefolk harbinger if anything at all, other decks simply have discarded it as 'if it happens, if have force or i lose'

Cons:
Not reusable like sledder
less relevant in the late-game
Doesnt help anything survive pyroclasm/ -2/-2 effects

I just added warren weirding into my build let me know what everyone thinks.

Land
3 wasteland
3 rishadan port
4 bloodstained mire
4 wooded foothills
2 taiga
2 badlands
4 mountain

Creatures
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Mogg fanatic
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Matron
2 Siege-gang Commander
3 Gempalm Incinerator
1 Tin-street Hooligan
1 Goblin King

Other
4 Aether Vial
3 Warren Weirding

Sideboard
2 Krosan Grip
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Tranquil Domain
1 Gempalm Incinerator
2 Chalice of the Void
3 Red Elemental Blast

Goblin King sucks.

Where's Wort?

You're playing three colors maindeck (Weirding and Tin-Street), why are you only running two badlands and taigas?

Cut Rishadan Port.

Goblin King Sucks. Where
Is Wort? Three colors needs more
Duals. Cut Port, it sucks.

That sounds better as a haiku:

Goblin King sucks. Wort?
Three colours need more duals
Cut Rishadan Port


Edit: I guess it's not a great DtB post. Mods can delete if needed.

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Originally Posted by TeenieBopper

Goblin King sucks.

Where's Wort?

You're playing three colors maindeck (Weirding and Tin-Street), why are you only running two badlands and taigas?

Cut Rishadan Port.

Goblin King Sucks. Where
Is Wort? Three colors needs more
Duals. Cut Port, it sucks.

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I agree with cutting Rishadan Port, with warren weirding in the deck, you have to add more duals to support it.

The mana base looks like this:

4 Mountain
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Taiga

Mine is actually

4 Wasteland
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Mountain
4 Badlands
3 Taiga
1 Swamp

Of course, I run more black cards out of the board, too.

Yes, I'm aware that I mocked the idea of running a basic swamp on the last page. I'm rescinding that comment. Wasteland on your black sources is the nut low.

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Originally Posted by TeenieBopper

Of course, I run more black cards out of the board, too.

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Begs the question: what does your board look like?

It varies from week to week. The only constants seem to be:

4 Shriekmaw
3 Krosan Grip
3 Engineered Explosives