HEY GUYS!
What do u think about playing GUTTERSNIPE as one or two-off in this deck??
The effect seems pretty well but maybe a bit too slow....
Please give me your opinions :)
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HEY GUYS!
What do u think about playing GUTTERSNIPE as one or two-off in this deck??
The effect seems pretty well but maybe a bit too slow....
Please give me your opinions :)
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Originally Posted by DanielDeluxee
the only card id cast for cc3 is tnn
Hi, I have a serious troubles with merfolk decks... This matchup seems impossible to win. The sideboard cards 2x grim, 2x pyroblast, 2x pithing needle, 2x smash to smithereens (my meta contains merfolks chalice version) are good but not enough good. Basically every their creature is bad for us (8 lords, 4 TNN, 4 image etc). Any advise about strategy or sideboarding?
The matchup is all about keeping tempo, if you lose tempo early on there's no coming back, but if you can pace out your removal and snipe the anthem creatures you should be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by pjetr0
The chalice build is especially rough, because a resolved chalice on 1 is game over, and we can't use counterspells against cavern of souls. I think I would side out daze, but chalice is a must-counter so it's a hard call. Side in pyroblast/extra removal and hold your counterspell up for chalice, bolt/blast everything else. I play three pyroblast in the board because it's crazy good in my meta.
If WotC is fancy with those new wedge flavour names and SCG is supporting thus, then why the fuck aren't they callong this Izzet Delver???
I am UR Delver and Merfolk player and I can assure you that all merfolk decks will be Chalice main versions until Cruise gets banned.
Does anyone have a link for the top-whatever decklists from Eternal Weekend? I am at work right now and I cannot seem to find anything. I would be interested to see the UR list (if any changes were made) and how people sideboarded.
Thanks!
So I keep seeing Electrickery, has anyone tested Bonfire ? or is it just wishful thinking? It seems good in the mirror, and against creature based decks
It seems good, but I honestly don't think UR Delver Pyro is "the deck to beat" now. I mean, not like TNN was some time ago, when people had -1/-1 effects on SB exclusively for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
That being said, I'm playing 4 forked bolt in my deck as it's good against this deck and SFM/DRS/Other Delver decks, not to mention D&T, elves, and so the list goes on... Actually, my list is based on the fact that there are almost no combo on my meta now, I wouldn't recommend a decklist without FoW MB in normal circunstances. Last tournament I sided it out EVERY SINGLE GAME! I'm still going to make some adjustments, but I think this is pretty close to what I will be using in the next tournament
CREATURES
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
COUNTER
3 Daze
CANTRIP
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
3 Treasure Cruise
BURN
2 Thunderous Wrath
3 Price of Progress
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Chain Lightning
4 Forked Bolt
LANDS
3 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
2 Island
2 Mountain
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Polluted Delta
SIDEBOARD
2 Flusterstorm
3 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Force of Will
2 Pyroblast
2 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Pithing Needle
1 Price of Progress
I expect: Lots of Delver decks, D&T, Miracles, jund, some combos (about 10-15% of the meta). Against most combos (at least the ones that play here - S&T, Reanimator, dredge, ANT) my sideboard is pretty good with Fluster, Ensnaring Bridge, FoW and Pyroblast. I actually thought about taking out daze, but it's upside on T1 to T3 is just too big to ignore it.
How much are you reasonably expecting to cast bonfire for? Doesn't seem great. Electrickery seems relatively low impact if you're already running a set of Forked bolts in the main, I feel like I would otherwise have some other utility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
After testing, I have come to the conclusion that it is indeed not worth itQuote:
Originally Posted by Tseng
I tried Electrickery in the board, and didn't really find any use out of it because I was already running 3 forked in the main, and didn't really want to board anything out for it, or wanted to board more important things. I also didn't play in any mirrors or vs. Elves, so I don't know if my sample size for the card is good enough :)
Can a mod move this to the DTB?
How good is Monastery Swiftspear in the mirror?
Is blood moon needed?
How does this deck stand up vs the rug versions with rough/tumble (sometimes goose)
Hey guys,
Any tips on fighting miracles?
Cheers
I know this may be narrow, but recently I have learned that Energy Field is just a auto lose most of the time. So with all these maindeck EF I was thinking maybe putting in a thought scour? It can help for TS and it can mill them to kill EF without a RiP, Thoughts? Apologize if this has been statedQuote:
Originally Posted by cheerios
Is anyone actually playing Energy Field?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
Miracles should be a pretty good matchup though. Needles and Vortex are good board options.
Pyroblast...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
There is no way in hell that you guys should maindeck 1 Thought Scour on the off chance you play against Helm Miracles and happen to draw it game 1 when they have Energy Field with no RIP in play...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Brian Pepper
Well.....I think I am jumping ship from my Shardless deck (my baby ;( )
This deck was giving me a lot of problems, so I finally built it and being the first delver deck I ever piloted, I can only say i was BLOWN away by how strong it felt. The speed and some of the nut draws you get are too fun to pass up playing in NJ lol.
So my playtest group and best friend play lands which is a very hard matchup. I bring in needle and surgical, but still gives me fits (they have a version with main deck orb,Ostone.) Any tips? Also a friend and I were joking about trying a sulfur falls to try to fight choke G2.
What are the weakest matchups I should be worried about?
Thank you.
I imagine Blood Moon + PoP should be good here. You could also board in Vortex to focus more on burn since our creatures are not that great against Punishing Fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkyPimP
So it seems like there are two main things we need to figure out at this point with the main deck:
1. How many lands?
- Huang played 17 in his list but it seems like Glenn Jones was onto something with only 16. We don't want to be cruising into lands and since we don't play Wasteland, we don't need to draw as many lands as other delver decks.
2. What do we do with the other three burn spells?
- Huang played 2 forked bolt and 1 chain lightning, while Kevin Jones played 2 forked and 1 pyroblast. I'm not sure what's right here but I've been playing 3 forked and it seems reasonable. Other options includes fireblast, or more chain but I like how forked deals with elves and the mirror.
What do you guys think?
I've been playing 3 Forked Bolts too and although I love them I'm testing a Fire // Ice in place of one. I think the versatility it provides while also being a blue card can be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by iPhone7
So far I've killed someone with Fire with a Chalice on 1 in play which felt pretty good obviously but very situational of course and I would have won that game either way. I've also killed someone by tapping their Germ token before blocks after they cheat it in which I feel is also a great application of the card. Other times I've drawn it it was either an expensive forked bolt or got pitched to FoW. I know 2 mana can make the "have a huge swiftspear/pyro turn" plan a little worst, but it hasn't come up yet. Still needs a lot of testing to be sure it's worth the slot over Forked/Pyroblast/Fireblast but for now I'm keeping it in.
About me the best solution is 1x forked 1x chain and 1x pop. Pop is good vs all legacy deck. One italian pro propose this list
Maindeck:
Creatures [12]
4*Delver of Secrets
4*Monastery Swiftspear
4*Young Pyromancer
Instants [17]
4*Brainstorm
4*Daze
4*Force of Will
4*Lightning Bolt
1*Price of Progress
Sorceries [14]
1*Chain Lightning
1*Forked Bolt
4*Gitaxian Probe
4*Ponder
4*Treasure Cruise
Lands [17]
1*Flooded Strand
1*Mountain
1*Wooded Foothills
3*Island
4*Polluted Delta
4*Scalding Tarn
3*Volcanic Island
Sideboard:
2*Grafdigger's Cage
2*Pithing Needle
1*Blood Moon
1*Sulfuric Vortex
2*Pyroblast
1*Red Elemental Blast
1*Smash to Smithereens
1*Gut Shot
1*Electrickery
2*Price of Progress
1*Forked Bolt
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Match-up
Vs Miracle
-1 Fork -1 Chain -4 Daze
+2 Needle +3 Reb +1 Sulfuric
Vs Elfi
-1 Pop -1 Cruise -2 Daze -1 Pyro
+1 Fork +1 Cage +1 Elec +1 Gut
Vs BUG Delver
-2 Fow
+1 Forked +1 Moon
Vs Jund
-4 Fow OTP / -2 Daze -2 Fow OTD
+2 Pop +1 Moon +1 Forked
Vs Show&Tell
-1 Pop -1 Fork -1 Chain
+3 REB
Vs UR Delver
+1 Fork +1 Electrickery +1 Gut
+2 REB -1 Pop -4 Fow
Vs Deathblade
-4 Fow OTP/-4 Daze OTD -1 Pyro
+1 Moon +1 Smash +2 Pop +1 Fork
Vs Death&Taxes
-4 Fow P/-4 Daze D -1 Pop -1 Pyro
+1 Fork +1 Smash +2 Aghi +1 Gut +1 Elec
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If we board out Force in so many matchups why not just make it a SB card to start with?
I don't side it out as much as diego does. That list of decks also doesn't include any combo decks besides Elves.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGB
It's just so necessary for the combo matchups and matchups where our opponents have maindeck haymakers. We can't beat enough decks without force that we need it main. Three may be right in the main but I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MGB
Edit: Whoops, I made a mistake
I'm going to this event: http://www.cardkingdom.com/static/ptq/20141108
I don't know the meta. I don't have time to buy cards. I have the current FOTM deck with 4 cruise, 12 cantrips, 12 creatures, 5 bolt, 2 forked bolt, 8 counterspells, 17 lands.
Cayse of the incredibly generous payout, I'm expecting a bunch of tryhards (keep in mind I myself am a tryhard), so lots of UR mirrors. Burn is always present since it's cheap, plus a playset of duals will put anyone into the format so burn is a near certainty. Probably a good amount elves and miracles. What should my board look like?
What I've got available:
1 blood moon
4 snapcaster
4 price of progress
1 tnn
1 pyrokinesis
4 spell snare
4 spell pierce
NO FLUSTERSTORMS
I have no more forked bolts because reasons
1 eidolon of the great hoser
4 pyroblast
3 grim lazermancer
1 dig through deck
1 grafdigger's cage
4 tormod's crypt
1 surgical extraction
I might be able to get my hands on one JTMS for anti miracles tech
I can also maybe get a single Jitte but my elves MU is already fine with all the burn
3 smash to smithereens
2 chaos warp
All the burn staples except eidolon
1 volcanic fallout, which seems AWFUL
Other various commons that aren't worth shit
So, what is my board?
I would go with something likeQuote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
1 Blood Moon
2 PoP
2 Smash
3 Pierce
1 Cage
1 Lavamancer
2 Pyroblast
That's 12 cards. The remaining 3 could probably be some combinations of Extraction, Lavamancer, Pyroblast, Smash or PoP. Maybe 1 Extraction, 1 Pyro, 1 Lavamancer?
Lack of needle/null rod and Vortex for Miracles is not great, but there's enough stuff for the small creatures decks and without flusterstorms you can't do better than Pierces for combo I believe.
I would go:Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
1 Blood Moon
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Smash to Smithereens
2 Lavamancer
1 Spell Pierce
1 Tormod's Crypt
2 PoP
3 Pyroblast
You say that you have burn staples, and if that includes Sulfuric Vortex then add 2 of those to get this to 15. Otherwise, +1 Pyroblast +1 Surgical Extraction. I like Blood Moon better than PoP in this list so if you can get them I'd change the PoPs into +1 Blood Moon and +1 Pithing Needle.
I actually have needle, forgot to mention. I also have sulfuric vortex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Collman
3 nonbasic land hosers seems like a lot, especially when PoP is such a niche card compared to blood moon.
I agree. It's probably right to play 1 Blood Moon and 1 PoP. This is my current sideboard and it has been working out well for me. With what you have you could just switch 1 Moon to 1 PoP and you're good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaminamina
2 Blood Moon
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Smash to Smithereens
2 Lavamancer
1 Spell Pierce
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Pyroblast
2 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Pithing Needle
This should be moved to the Decks to Beat thread. This deck is, quite literally, everywhere right now.
True, trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Madmankevinx
Placed top 4 of the GP Nashville Gencon tournament.
My list cuz bitches like lists
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Young Pyromancer
1 Gut Shot
1 Spell Pierce
4 Brainstorm
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Forked Bolt
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Ponder
4 Treasure Cruise
1 Mountain
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Wasteland
3 Misty Rainforest
3 Scalding Tarn
3 Volcanic Island
Sideboard
1 Envelop
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
1 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Grim Lavamancer
1 True-Name Nemesis
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Submerge
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Pithing Needle
Sidenote: I hadn't played in any large event since T. Cizzy was released. If I had tested against the mirror I would have switched the gut shot to pyroblast/ second spell pierce. Wasteland was insane all day for me.
Two rounds in to a 6 round tourney. Round one I swiftspear'd all over a RWU delver player; I double forked bolted his bskull for the win one game, felt good.
Round two I lost to countertop in the opening hand twice. I won game two with a double swiftspear opening but lost games one and three soundly.
I have yet to flip a delver in five games.
I will report back as the tournament progresses
Edit: beat burn 2-0. He made sure to tell me how op and brainless my deck was after walking into daze twice. Felt good.
I'm looking forward to seeing the DTB section updated this month. I'm pretty sure this deck will be moving to that section. I was just looking through the SCG Top-8s since Khans of Takrir was released. There have been 12 SCG events and 12 UR Delver Top 8s. Not too shabby. Though one was Bertoncinni....
Aight, I took 3rd/4th ("thourth") and made out like a king so here's my writeup.
Very stock UR cruise deck:
2 Volcanic Island
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Flooded Strand
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Island
2 Mountain
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Treasure Cruise
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Forked Bolt
1 Chain Lightning
4 Delver
4 Young Pyromancer
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
Sideboard:
2 Pyroblast
2 Blood Moon
2 Spell Pierce
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Sulfuric Vortex
2 Smash to Smithereens
1 Pyrokinesis
1 Grim Lavamancer
1 Pithing Needle
Round 1 vs. RWU Delver
Game one I turn one probe him and see 2 swords. I have swiftspear, delver, pyro, so I figure I'll just bait out the removal and resolve pyro and wreck face. Unfortunately, pyro died to a topdecked bolt, and he had force backup to counter my own countermagic. I then resolved two treasure cruises, but didn't find any more sticky threats, and lost to an unanswered batterskull.
Game two he mulls to 4 and I win.
Game three was a slugfest, and by the end of it we both had every single mana producing land in either of our decks on the field. We were both topdecking, but I run recall, so eventually I just drowned him in cards and won. Let it be known that I did pyroblast my own land that game to get a lethal token off of pyromancer.
1-0
Round 2 vs. Miracles
Lose the die roll. He opens game 1 with turn 1 top, turn 2 ponder, turn 3 counterbalance. I had the nuts of swiftspear, delver, and a million cantrips, but couldn't cast anything after my turn 2. He removes both my creatures and I concede to save time since I know I can't win and don't want to draw the match.
I win game 2 by playing two swiftspears. He gets countertop out but it's too late; he kept countering my spells with CB but it didn't matter since they buffed swiftspear.
I lose game 3 to a serious misplay. He goes turn 1 top, I force, pitching cruise. I go turn 1 volcanic. I HAVE PYROBLAST IN MY HAND. I CHOOSE TO PONDER INSTEAD. Then he resolves counterbalance, and blind flips a 1-drop to counter my pyroblast to kill CB. Then he resolves top #2 and I lose very slowly. I played it out, but entreat the angels is like a 2 turn clock.
1-1
Round 3 vs. Burn
Game one he mulls to 4. I win.
Game two he mulls to 6. I kill him faster than he can kill me.
2-1
Round 4 vs. UR Delver
I think he played game one way too aggressively; he bolted my face to put me at 8, and I removed all his dudes and slowly won with a swiftspear while we were both topdecking.
Game two he played too conservatively. He didn't want to get dazed or something so he didn't cast spells when he could have just slammed them. Meanwhile I figured he sided out his countermagic so I'm just slamming threats on the table and he can't keep up so I win. He did get an electrickery off to kill two pyromancers (I overextended like a dumbass), but I had cruise in hand so I just refueled and won.
3-1
Round 5 vs. 4 color stuff
I got reaaaally lucky this game; he kept a hand with goyf, 2 swords, and a decay, and somehow I (a) had more threats than he had removal and (b) had a force for his goyf and (c) had a cruise to follow up the force with. I'm not gonna pretend like I didn't get lucky there.
His sideboard plan was a bit sketchy. Gaddock Teeg deals with exactly one card in my deck, so I'm not sure why he brought them in. Plus I bolted both his Teegs and cruised anyway. I won on card advantage.
4-1
Round 6 vs. Jeremy the Nice Tournament Math Guy
Jeremy explained to me that we were all but guaranteed slots in the top 8 if we drew, and I was hungry and needed a smoke so I drew in.
4-1-1
Top 8, Round 1 vs. UR Delver, again
Different guy from round 4. Game one he probed me and saw Daze, and like... he decided "oh I can't let any spells get countered" so he waited for another land drop and just didn't cast any spells. Like I get that getting spells countered sucks but you just have to ram a must-kill spell into their daze and then resolve everything after it. It's not ideal but he literally just went "draw, pass" like three turns while I developed my board.
Game two was even weirder, he figured since swiftspear dies to bolt he should side it out... Like, what? He sided out FOUR OF HIS TWELVE THREATS, then wondered why he lost when he didn't have a way to kill me. He complained that I had perfect draws when I hardcasted force of will late game. What the fuck did you expect when a delver player played 5 lands. He was so salty afterward, saying shit like "oh it's all about who resolves treasure cruise first, you just got lucky." Whatever, I won 2-0.
I'll explain the payout here since most people would just split at top 8. First place would get 4 NM revised underground sea, second place would get 4 NM revised bayou, 3rd-4th get 1 NM revised volcanic, 5th-8th get a FoW. (Card Kingdom is VERY generous with their payout.) I thought that splitting at top 4 would be impossible, since it's 10 cards between 4 people, but one guy came up with a clever idea: every player in the top 4 would receive one sea and one bayou, then the winners of the two semifinals games would get a volcanic. Then the finals is just for the title of winner. Everyone jumped on that offer because come on, guaranteed duals. So at this point I have a sea and a bayou in my possession, and I'm playing for a volcanic.
Top 8, round 2 vs. Jeremy, playing 4c delver
Same guy from round 6. Guy's a very smart player; he made the meta call that deathrite shaman is nuts against UR delver, and he was rite (get it? rite? heh). Game one I scooped to three DRS with an empty hand. I was at 16 life but whatever, fuck it.
Game two I almost had a chance, then he countered my treasure cruise and resolved a scavenging ooze and I couldn't race it with no cards.
FINAL SCORE: 3RD/4TH PLACE
WINNINGS: ONE NM REVISED UNDERGROUND SEA, ONE NM REVISED BAYOU (~$500)
All in all, a pretty good day.
Any questions?