So what is the best and fastest way I can deal with Aggro Loam? Every match I've had against it has been terrible, smiliar to an 80/20 matchup; mostly due to them landing Chalice before I drop an accelerant or too many Knights. Or both.
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So what is the best and fastest way I can deal with Aggro Loam? Every match I've had against it has been terrible, smiliar to an 80/20 matchup; mostly due to them landing Chalice before I drop an accelerant or too many Knights. Or both.
Your best bet versus them is comboing before a Knight gets online, as it can can hold of Marit Lage by getting Wasteland or Karakas, and because they don't run Swords to Plowshares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral Nobeard
Is there a way to fight a T1 Chalice from them, or just a Chalice before I get Bond or Exploration out? I've considered adding one Bayou for Abrupt Decay, but I'm not sure that's worth it just for Chalice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rivfader
They will usually board in Leyline of the Void against you, so I'd pack all your Krosan Grips in the matchup. I think lately Abrupt Decay has become better because of Monastery Mentor and the popularity of 4cloam (I often run a 2-2 split myself, splashing a little black).Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral Nobeard
When you say 2-2, you mean 2 Decay and 2 Grip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rivfader
Yes, I've been doing that for quite some time. It probably has to do with a personal affection for the card as well, but as I've said before, I've experienced that Abrupt Decay has become a better option since MM, and against Knight of the Reliquary now that 4cLoam is becoming very popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral Nobeard
between my under performing Karakas and this threads love of prime time lately. I'm thinking of making the swap for this weekend...thoughts?
I treat aggro-loam as a lands mirror. I want to have fast mana online quickly and I want to deny their mana with Wasteland and Krosan Grip. As secondary goals I want to attack their graveyard with Bojuka Bog and keep their 4 creatures (Knights) from hitting me (the others don't matter because they die to Punishing Fire).Quote:
Originally Posted by Admiral Nobeard
What do you mean with swap? I like Karakas as a SB-card, and I like Prime-Time. So, I pack both.Quote:
Originally Posted by djxstream
Feeling really frustrated lately at my LGS due to a stretch where I face tons of combo or never seem to draw into my good cards against the good match-ups. This past Friday was rough in our 4 rounds of FNM
0-2 vs Death and Taxes where I drew 1 Punishing Fire in both games and stupidly chose to K-Grip a revoker instead of Rest In Peace thinking "I can draw into a Crop rotation or Depths"
1-2 vs. Dark Petition Storm where I lost on turn 2, won on turn 4, lost on turn 2
0-2 vs. Omni Tell where I lost on turn 2 in both games
2-0 against an inexperienced Miracles pilot who I kept off white mana
9-15 so far in our first quarter Legacy league (our store is doing quarterly invitational events but I won't be able to play anyway because I will be away the weekend of the event) and so frustrated at not winning the match-ups that are good. I know learning how to play against tough match-ups is the key to learning the deck but getting told "sorry man, tough match-up" gets old.
Multiple storm, Omni-Tell, Sneak and Show, Reanimator, Belcher, 12 Post, multiple D & T, BUG Delver, Shardless BUG, and then a few randos.
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Patrick - When you're getting ready to film do you join a 2 Man and sit there waiting for an opponent? If so, you might consider waiting and joining once someone else enters the room first. With 105 videos under your belt, you're a known commodity now as a Lands player. I guarantee people grab their Storm deck and jump into the room with glee when they see you sitting there because it's such a good matchup for them. I've got a couple decks on MODO, and when I see people who I know are on a certain deck I'm more than happy to give myself an edge and jump in with something with a favorable matchup (unless I'm testing). Just a thought. You are facing an inordinate amount of combo in your 2 Mans.Quote:
Originally Posted by gigapatrick
My new token.
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That is one sweet, fingerlicking good Avatar. The flavour and art are spot-on!
That has to be the most adorable way to die from Marit Lage. My current token for ML is the Toothless Frank pug token made by RK Post. I have him in a perfect fit sleeve and just wrote on the sleeve the information I needed.
Yeah, I have been facing combo a lot. Usually I just join a queue regardless of whether there's another player in it or not. I think I'll take your advice and wait until there's already someone in the queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lysandros
On another note, I'm super excited about Legacy Leagues going live on Wednesday. Hope to make some League videos soon.
I'll be in there with ya as soon as they start up. I've had Lands together online forever but hate playing in the tournament style events because I have no attention span/time. Leagues have been awesome for me in other formats so I'm so excited to play legacy in them finally.
Hopefully port gets reprinted in the eternal masters set too so more people can start playing Lands online. It and death and taxes are criminally underrepresented.
And so I can get Foils.
Sadly I will likely bet not though, thanks to the release of the Judge Foil.
Speaking of combo matchups, here's another one:
#106
Ok, I'm debating on which deck I'm going to bring to a tournament this saturday. The meta will something around the lines of this:
- various Delver.decks
- Miracles
- Storm.deck
- Reanimator
- Maverick
- Eldrazi
Eldrazi has been quiet the hype around here. That's why I'm afraid there will be a lot of Blood Moons around. My SB looks like this:
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
1 Karakas
1 Primeval Titan
2 Boil
2 Chalice of the Void
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Krosan Grip
MB is pretty stock, still considering if I should swap a Tranquil Thicket for a Horizon Canopy. Any suggestions for the SB are welcome.
Super close to what I'm running now, just -2 boil, +1 chalice, +1 thorn.
What other decks are you considering?
I'll probably eternally prefer Choke over Boil, but that's just me. If you're expecting Eldrazi you should feel pretty happy playing Lands. I've tested that matchup for a few hours and Lands does a pretty good job at mopping that deck up. This is what I run with RG Lands:
x4 Krosan Grip
x4 Sphere of Resistance
x2 Chalice of the Void
x2 Choke
x1 Karakas (MD Bog)
x1 Pithing Needle
x1 Thorn of Amethyst (Flex slot, depending on what you expect in the meta. More combo/More control/More aggro)
@ supremePINEAPPLE: I was thinking about my old favorite: Goblins. I want to test Warpjng Wail. Also, last time I took RGCL to a tournament I didn't do that good. I've been pretty tired with work and all, and at times like these: Goblins, my very first Legacy deck, is my deck to go to. RGCL is not a deck you 'just' take to a tournament without being properly rested.
@ hyp3r1on: I just recently picked Boil up, before that I packed -2 Boil, +1 Choke +1 Prime-time. Just testing, we'll see how it feels in the SB. I was not all that worried about Eldrazi, but I think we can be collateral damage when Blood Moon is popping up everywhere.
Fair. If I'm expecting a lot of permanent hate like Blood Moon etc, I like a copy of Seal of Primordium to compliment the playset of Grips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
Going to SCG Philly, I hope i can see some of y'all there.
im trying aura fracture in philly as a one of to compliment my grips.
I tried Seal and it's not very good. It gets countered by Counterbalance and doesn't resolve against blue Blood Moon decks. Krosan Grip is the business.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyp3r1on
Seal's not amazing by any means but it's probably the next best "permanent hate" answer after x4 Grips in the RG shell. I wouldn't really run them and they're not great vs Miracles, but if you know there's a bunch of random decks with Blood Moons or Winter Orbs floating around in a room I could see using one.
i've seen some eldrazi players pack some Tsabo's Web as well. (not to mention also maindeck karakas, so be on your toes people)Quote:
Originally Posted by hyp3r1on
Yeah I got hit with Tsabo's Web today while playing RUG Lands, I wasn't too impressed by it's showing but it did slow me down a couple turns and forced me to Engineered Explosives it away before I continued on my way. I guess that's a bit harder to do when you're playing RGCL but you all play Grips so I wouldn't be too worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by djxstream
Very proactive choice, and vunerable.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyp3r1on
Sounds like a plan. Don't you find it hard to cast, being 2W?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar
So what enchantment-hate is there to compliment our K-Grip? Any preferences?Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
I've never had trouble casting it. Between karakas, mox, stage copying their plains its a breeze to cast. If I ran riftstone portal it would be even betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
Engineered Explosives or splash a Bayou for Abrupt Decay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
Jarvis mentioned tranquil grove and aura fracture around the time of GP SeaTac. Tranquil grove hits your exploration which is a bummer. Aura fracture costs white so you may need to run something like 4 fetchlands and riftstone portal in the main, savannah and karakas in the side. I never tested it but reducing the number of business sideboard cards by 1 to facilitate casting the others seems rough. I'm assuming the miracles match up is the main reason for wanting extra enchantment hate, aura fracture happens to be harder to counter off counterbalance and can be used immediately with only 3 mana available as long as you have a land. I think someone else mentioned splashing black for abrupt decay which might be a bit more graceful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
I have been the only person actively testing with aura fracture (AFAIK) and talking about it since seatac. Jarvis mentioned he might play it if he knew the meta was gonna have a bunch of bloodmoons. It's been very good to me. I play two fetchlands, 2 taiga, karakas main and have no trouble casting it. My side board has no Savannah. Or riftstone portal. The matchups I need it in I play very tight. I get rewarded every time it resolves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Djehuti
I've been testing grove and aura fracture since early last year and dropped them since omni got neutered. I tried to play it at least for value on one enchantment because I saw many wear/tear/snap caster from miracles whenenver I preemptively dropped it. It was also weak when they had a strong mentor draw and never played enchantments. It gives you control of fasbonds vs Lands variants, but I never drew it during my matches here and coming down for 3 mana in a mana denial game is risky. My sb only had 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar
These are Similar problems I've had with one ofs. Abrupt decay would be a sweet card in that situation. Gambling for a one of sucks. And three mana can be tough if the have an aggro hand. But in the long games where miracles usually takes us its a huge swing. I can spare 3 mana in grindy match ups. When it lands, it bring us back to the game plan of denying white mana and lage. My meta has a significant miracles/4x leyline meta. Have you tried a one of abrupt decay?Quote:
Originally Posted by snorlaxcom
Glad its working out! Maybe I'll get to see it in action at scg philly :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cfetchcaviar
First Modo Legacy League match:
#107
It's unfortunate but I won't be able to make the scg event in Philly, however good news everyone. I have done some extensive testing against that eldrazi aggro deck that's been popping up a lot and it's a very favorable match up for us. Also check the prices on mox diamond since the announcement of eternal masters. I know I enjoy it when a card in my deck triples in value.
I've played against the 16 sol land eldrazi deck a bit (colorless and R/B versions) and so far we are finding that it's soft to decks that regularly disrupt mana sources. also, tabernacle causes some odd issues paying for creatures with eye of ugin in play. The problem is that with the way my sideboard is constructed, I only have K grips to side in against it.
The deck seems to whollop tempo decks and control decks much of the time.