[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

Here are a pair of Topless lists for consideration:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Courser of Kruphix
1 Selvala, Explorer Returned
1 Eternal Witness
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
2 Baneslayer Angel
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Sun Titan
1 Dragonlord Dromoka

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Night's Whisper

2 Abrupt Decay
2 Abzan Charm

3 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

3 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
4 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Karakas

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1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Thoughtseize
2 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Slaughter Games
1 Taiga
1 Tsunami
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Nether Void

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4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
2 Wall of Blossoms
2 Wood Elves
1 Eternal Witness
1 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Sidisi, Undead Vizier
1 Primeval Titan

3 Cabal Therapy
1 Thoughtseize
4 Burning Wish
2 Diabolic Intent
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Scapeshift

3 Pernicious Deed

3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
3 Bayou
4 Taiga
3 Badlands
2 Stomping Grounds
1 Mountain
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
3 Forest
1 Swamp
1 Kessig Wolf Run

//sb
3 Slaughter Games
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Red Elemental Blast
2 Thoughtseize
1 Scapeshift
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Pyroclasm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Massacre
1 Maelstrom Pulse


The first is a white list in a rock-style, the second is Scapewish. I also want to tease out a potential Thune variant with Whispers and Living Wishes that I thought of but didn't have time to develop today. I would take a stab at Punishing, but realistically I just don't know enough about it to have an informed opinion. The blue lists are going to change more from meta shifts than from Top's ban mattering -- worst case they just run more Brainstorms/Digs/Ponders in those slots.

Note that both sideboards are super general -- a Top ban would have very large ramifications to the format, and the meta would be a wild west for a while. Keep in mind that all of this is speculatory, since if they do ban Top, we'll likely get something unbanned at the same time. If that something is Mind Twist, for example, that would change quite a bit on our end.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

Note that both sideboards are super general -- a Top ban would have very large ramifications to the format, and the meta would be a wild west for a while. Keep in mind that all of this is speculatory, since if they do ban Top, we'll likely get something unbanned at the same time. If that something is Mind Twist, for example, that would change quite a bit on our end.

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That is a lot of Bombs !!!
Anyway, let's wild wild West a little bit for the moment.
I'll think about your lists and come up with few arguments by tomorrow.

Edit = not enough basics in Scape to my taste

Indeed a lot of bombs. It feels your rock list lacks (spot)removal.
I like the idea of running 2 baneslayers, resembles running 2 stormbreaths in my pfire list.
Anyhow, i would replace top for:
1 Sylvan Library
1 Mirri's Guile
1 Diabolic Intent
I like the idea of having a continues effect of the enchantments. Draw 2 just seems a bit meh.

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Originally Posted by Ralf

That is a lot of Bombs !!!
Anyway, let's wild wild West a little bit for the moment.
I'll think about your lists and come up with few arguments by tomorrow.

Edit = not enough basics in Scape to my taste

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There should be another one. I wanted to squeeze the Kessig in and didn't realize that I'd already cut one basic. Oops. The white list also has a manabase oops in it -- I just copy/pasted an old white manabase from my Evernote and forgot about the Slaughter sideboard. There should be 2 more fetches in there, and the maindeck should have at least 1 Deathrite over the 2nd Skaura-Tribe, and probably a 2nd Deathrite.....somewhere, over something else.

Don't forget that Abzan Charm is also removal. In fact, in a Topless world I expect 2 Abzan Charms to be fairly common for white lists -- it's quality instant-speed removal with additional functionality. I've run one copy in white versions in the past and have used all three modes. Removal that can also be additional Whispers is very strong. It's -possible- that there wants to be another 1 or 2 spot removals maindeck, but I would prefer to use the combat step as removal. A lot of the decks that we could expect to come back out of hiding after Miracles is removed from the format are very weak to Deed, anyway, so I would probably run with this suite for a while and see how it goes.

Is baneslayer hard on the mana? Serious question because I found Sun Titan to be manageable in Junk. Then again, 6 mana is a different animal than 5.

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Originally Posted by Warden

Is baneslayer hard on the mana? Serious question because I found Sun Titan to be manageable in Junk. Then again, 6 mana is a different animal than 5.

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Not that much.
I've played Baneslayer in quite a few Nic Fit list but being only white requires you to play at least 2 to see him at least once in any game.
Nic Fit games has a tendancy to go "long" if you know what I mean.

Hello people.
After my last tournament (9° for ratings, 3-1-1 in a 32p, losing from UWR mentor by bad luck without playing and draw with Lands by my horrible mistake in g2), i've made some changes in my Bug Pod list. Principally i've added red splash for three cards that really intrigue me:
Keranos, a perfect drop when you have a stable board to close the game
Anathemancer, a surprising creature that helps against lands/post, close the game vs control (and that's an important point) and deals with PW
Magus of the Moon in the sb, against Lands, Post and greedy manabase

My first test on cockatrice with this new version (although i want to start serious test after monday, when i've an exam and there will be the ban list) are going very well and i'm loosing especially by mana screw/flood. This is the list (and an idea of a deck without top)

4 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Baleful Strix
1 Phantasmal Image
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Eternal Witness
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Yasova Dragonclaw
1 Anathemancer
1 Notion Thief
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Thragtusk
1 Keranos, God of Storms

1 Polluted Delta
1 Taiga
2 Swamp
1 Island
2 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Tropical Island
2 Bayou
2 Underground Sea

2 Pernicious Deed
3 Birthing Pod
4 Brainstorm
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Recurring Nightmare
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Sylvan Library
4 Cabal Therapy

SB: 4 Force of Will
SB: 1 Swan Song
SB: 1 Vendilion Clique
SB: 1 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Flusterstorm
SB: 1 Magus of the Moon
SB: 1 Phyrexian Revoker

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Originally Posted by Memories of the Time

i'm loosing especially by mana screw/flood. This is the list (and an idea of a deck without top)

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First off, i really enjoy seeing this list. Second i really like that this list runs a red splash for Keranos and Magus. Might aswell include some Slaughter Games. Third and last for now, getting manascrew (color) is something that really needs fixing. That must be the biggest weakness to overcome. The big question is how. The early versions of (mostly) SotF ran 4 or 5 colors and used 3-4 City of Brass and Birds of Paradise to fix mana. But that that was in a totally different world.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

First off, i really enjoy seeing this list. Second i really like that this list runs a red splash for Keranos and Magus. Might aswell include some Slaughter Games. Third and last for now, getting manascrew (color) is something that really needs fixing. That must be the biggest weakness to overcome. The big question is how. The early versions of (mostly) SotF ran 4 or 5 colors and used 3-4 City of Brass and Birds of Paradise to fix mana. But that that was in a totally different world.

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Sometimes i get colorscrew, of course, like the g2 of the only turn loses last tournament. More often my problems are flood/manascrew, and for this reason i've added 1 Library and 1 Top (originally i was playing only 4 brainstorm).
Anyway, don't understimate Anathemancer: he's able to reasonably kill any pw and i've often used unearth, that's good in this deck because you can pod it away after etb+attack.

I have not been playing as much Legacy recently but this is my Scapewish list.

Scapewish
By: Surfkatt


Main Deck:
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Primeval Titan
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Wood Elves

2 Abrupt Decay
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Kolaghan's Command
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Scapeshift
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Thoughtseize

3 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Taiga
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Verdant Catacombs


Sideboard:
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Dryad Militant
1 Innocent Blood
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Massacre
2 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Slaughter Games
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge


I have always been a huge fan of the Decays in the main. It has always been an all star for me, it was a big part of my IQ win.

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Originally Posted by emuhell

Just Brainstorming:
What about adding 1-2 (fetch-)lands and 2-3 Magmatic Insight + Titania. Adding lands bolsters the Scapeshift finish and could give us an additional turn 1 play (not the best one, sure). Titania should imo be a thing in Scapefit - but I didn't try her so far.

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Idk why but this idea really tickles me. What about something like this-

Topless Scapewish
By: Surfkatt


Main Deck:
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Primeval Titan
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Wood Elves

2 Abrupt Decay
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Scapeshift
3 Magmatic Insight
1 Thoughtseize

3 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Taiga
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Dryad Arbor

Sideboard:
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Dryad Militant
1 Innocent Blood
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Massacre
2 Pyroblast
1 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Slaughter Games
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge

I went up to 25 lands but one of them is an arbor. I have always wanted an arbor but I never had a good enough reason to run one. Titania and insight might be those reasons. Going up a fetch also makes me want to squeeze a courser or 2 in there for even more advantage. They would be over the Decays so I dont think I am ready to do that yet. Lmk what you guys think.

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Originally Posted by Surfkatt

Idk why but this idea really tickles me. What about something like this-

Topless Scapewish
By: Surfkatt


Main Deck:
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Primeval Titan
2 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Thragtusk
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Wood Elves

2 Abrupt Decay
4 Burning Wish
3 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Scapeshift
3 Magmatic Insight
1 Thoughtseize

3 Badlands
2 Bayou
3 Forest
1 Mountain
2 Stomping Ground
2 Swamp
4 Taiga
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Dryad Arbor

Sideboard:
1 Cabal Therapy
1 Dryad Militant
1 Innocent Blood
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Massacre
2 Pyroblast
1 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Slaughter Games
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge

I went up to 25 lands but one of them is an arbor. I have always wanted an arbor but I never had a good enough reason to run one. Titania and insight might be those reasons. Going up a fetch also makes me want to squeeze a courser or 2 in there for even more advantage. They would be over the Decays so I dont think I am ready to do that yet. Lmk what you guys think.

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This is super interesting.

I don't think I like Magmatic Insight in a Scape shell, since you want to be playing your lands rather than discarding them -- but perhaps a Punishing shell? Card has to be insane with Loam, too. Could be a missing link for a Nic Fit variant of aggro loam.

Yasova looks like pretty sweet tech against fairer decks (stupid DnT) and I have to say I'm digging the Anathemancer.

Someone stated earlier that we should use a Sylvan Library/Mirri's Guile/Diabolic Intent split to replace SDT. My favorite aspect of these cards is the lack of mana investment; once they're cast, that's it. Obviously 1 colorless mana isn't a terrible lot to pay for filtering with Top, but the fact that we'll have that 1 mana open could allow tighter early turns (hey Path, Thoughtseize, etc). Maybe.
We could also settle on more fetches (I'm currently running 8) to ensure a shuffle if we don't like the top cards.
This clearly doesn't solve the problem of Deed destroying our goodies, but it seems like a few activations of Library/Guile should be more than enough to solidify a gameplan. Get your money's worth then blow 'em up, eh?
Alternatively, as better players than I have already suggested, nix the Deeds for other (less tits) sweepers like Deluge, Explosives, whatever.
I know speculation is the devil's work, but I'm jumping on the Library train today. Ya know. Just in case.
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Edit: Something else to consider; if SDT gets the banhammer, Miracles (the most abusive control deck IMO) goes bye bye, setting the stage for either 1.) a huge upsurge in combo, 2.) a more probable upsurge in creature decks. Being that I play Junk, I'm looking much more closely at combat planeswalkers.
Also, PunishingFit has the potential to explode if the Delvers/Maverick/Infect lists gain momentum.

Instead of a Scapewish Evolutionary Leap build, what about a walkers build? Just thinking out loud here. Not sure I've ever seen Advent of the Wurm in a Modern deck, let alone Legacy, but a 5/5 with trample at that lets you still only run 4 creatures seems pretty good. Not sure if this of walkers is the most optimal.


22 lands
3 Abrupt Decay
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
4 Evolutionary Leap
2 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Hymn to Tourach
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Swords to Plowshares
3 Advent of the Wurm
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Vraska the Unseen
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
2 Karn Liberated

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Instead of a Scapewish Evolutionary Leap build, what about a walkers build? Just thinking out loud here. Not sure I've ever seen Advent of the Wurm in a Modern deck, let alone Legacy, but a 5/5 with trample at that lets you still only run 4 creatures seems pretty good. Not sure if this of walkers is the most optimal...

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Since you rely heavily on tokens to win, Pernicious Deed is a very ambivalent card.
I'm not sure what to think of the leap builds so far. It seems very cute and risky. If you don't combo out, you are just a really slow superfriends deck, without jace.

Could be a relevant question: If Primeval Titan fetched an urborg and a cabal coffers, what could you do with the mana that is also relevant without tons of mana... Im thinking a Profane command that doesn't piss me off(the last mode should be gain x life!)

I am all for brewing and playing oddball cards but sometimes I wonder if this thread is actually trying to create a competitive deck or not. It is certainly one of the most active and interesting groups for what thats worth.

For those posting card choices or deck archtypes, please justify (this does not mean tell what the card/s do) what the card is doing better than something else.

For example, why is running 2 land combo that gives lots of mana once we have a lot of mana useful?

A generic example is "I like playing Vet/Therapy in my bug control deck because I get to play less land (the turbo xerox model) and the ability to disrupt while also playing haymakers like jace and deed early."

(no offense to anyone, I love the vet therapy combo)

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Originally Posted by Tom4ik

I am all for brewing and playing oddball cards but sometimes I wonder if this thread is actually trying to create a competitive deck or not. It is certainly one of the most active and interesting groups for what thats worth.

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Sometimes yes and sometimes no. There is a grey area as for this deck that plays competitive and meta tweaked lists and lets say not so competitive fun stuff that you can't really justify other then that you want to play it in an eternal enviroment. Call that love for Magic: the Gathering. I think the question is, do we want discussion for competitive purposes only in this thread?

I don't have a problem with this, other then that sometimes posts go all over the place, and posts are missing response.

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Originally Posted by Tom4ik

I am all for brewing and playing oddball cards but sometimes I wonder if this thread is actually trying to create a competitive deck or not. It is certainly one of the most active and interesting groups for what thats worth.

For those posting card choices or deck archtypes, please justify (this does not mean tell what the card/s do) what the card is doing better than something else.

For example, why is running 2 land combo that gives lots of mana once we have a lot of mana useful?

A generic example is "I like playing Vet/Therapy in my bug control deck because I get to play less land (the turbo xerox model) and the ability to disrupt while also playing haymakers like jace and deed early."

(no offense to anyone, I love the vet therapy combo)

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I'm fairly certain I was asking a question about what this deck would do with tons of black mana. Green Suns zenith for primeval Titan seems like the best thing that Nic Fit can do, it is non graveyard dependent and automatically gets 2 lands. What are the best 2 lands to get?

RG can get valakut and start manually exploding volcanoes. What can GB/GBw do?

... never mind.

Can't delete the message with Tapatalk.

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Originally Posted by lavafrogg

RG can get valakut and start manually exploding volcanoes. What can GB/GBw do?

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Exsanguinate?

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Originally Posted by tilzinger

Exsanguinate?

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Yeah, the beat j can come up with is profane command or drain life/consume spirit.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. There is a grey area as for this deck that plays competitive and meta tweaked lists and lets say not so competitive fun stuff that you can't really justify other then that you want to play it in an eternal enviroment. Call that love for Magic: the Gathering. I think the question is, do we want discussion for competitive purposes only in this thread?

I don't have a problem with this, other then that sometimes posts go all over the place, and posts are missing response.

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What Bobmans hinted at here is the crux of my obsession with this deck and something you won't often find with other archetypes: liberating, honest-to-fuck freewill to play whatever you want and have fun doing it. The real treat is musing about card X or card Y and figuring out a way to essentially prank opponents into losing the game. Who else can slam Thragtusk in legacy and ride that hog to victory? I'll guarantee the first person to suggest 'Tusk in this deck was giggled at. The natural response to an eccentric idea is skepticism. IMO, this deck is flexible enough to accommodate varying tastes/humors while being clever enough to take down top tier decks. While I agree that this isn't a brass-tacks-Delver-league forum, there's something to be gained from veteran players (lol) and noobs alike simply because this deck is so approachable.
The NicFit primer might be 40% noise, 30% speculation, 20% brewing and 10% tournament results, but I'm always happy to return and read about the silly(worthwhile) shit other players are doing.


On Exsanguinate: assuming you cast Prime Titan with 6 lands in play then fetch Urborg and Coffers, you can untap next turn and cast Exsanguinate for 11. This certainly is a cute prospect, but I wouldn't bother daydreaming about it unless you're playing Burning Wish. It would be rather tits to see it happen though.
If you were just trolling, ya got me.

Lavafrogg mentioned Profane Command, has anyone actually tried this ? The card is fucking nutso, especially when we're casting for 5+

Profane command would work as a build your own kill/reanimate spell for much of the game and would double as the burn/alpha-strike win condition with an coffers/urborg in play. I really wish the last mode was anything better.

If you read the command article wizards did a few years ago the last mode was supposed to be "gain x life" which would be perfect but they felt it was too strong for standard...

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What Bobmans hinted at here is the crux of my obsession with this deck and something you won't often find with other archetypes: liberating, honest-to-fuck freewill to play whatever you want and have fun doing it. The real treat is musing about card X or card Y and figuring out a way to essentially prank opponents into losing the game. Who else can slam Thragtusk in legacy and ride that hog to victory? I'll guarantee the first person to suggest 'Tusk in this deck was giggled at. The natural response to an eccentric idea is skepticism. IMO, this deck is flexible enough to accommodate varying tastes/humors while being clever enough to take down top tier decks. While I agree that this isn't a brass-tacks-Delver-league forum, there's something to be gained from veteran players (lol) and noobs alike simply because this deck is so approachable.
The NicFit primer might be 40% noise, 30% speculation, 20% brewing and 10% tournament results, but I'm always happy to return and read about the silly(worthwhile) shit other players are doing.

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I've been lurking this thread quite a while was interested in getting into Legacy and building GBw Nic Fit. I love the concept behind the deck. It's kind of frustrating because I have a few friends who play a lot of Legacy that just tell me the deck is bad and "oh X isn't playable in Legacy." Good to know other people run into this, I guess.

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I've been lurking this thread quite a while was interested in getting into Legacy and building GBw Nic Fit. I love the concept behind the deck. It's kind of frustrating because I have a few friends who play a lot of Legacy that just tell me the deck is bad and "oh X isn't playable in Legacy." Good to know other people run into this, I guess.

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You get all sorts of comments on playing NicFit during a tournament. One time this guy was flaming me for playing Siege Rhino in Legacy. Haha. Always love to see the faces when i jam my full japanese deck filled with readers on the board. One gotta to know the format, some don't even dare to ask what cards do when you jam it next to FBB signed Duals.

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Originally Posted by Leoj

I've been lurking this thread quite a while was interested in getting into Legacy and building GBw Nic Fit. I love the concept behind the deck. It's kind of frustrating because I have a few friends who play a lot of Legacy that just tell me the deck is bad and "oh X isn't playable in Legacy." Good to know other people run into this, I guess.

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I have the Punishing Fire version built and that thing is just stupid fun.

Just to counter a little of the scoffing the deck gets, I had an interesting scenario last night. I swung by the local shop for some FNM, and in between rounds I was handing out legacy decks for people to try out. I gave one guy NicFit and I played DnT. After a 15 minute game of back and forth, he final took control of the game. He commented one time while Topping that "This deck has so many great cards in it!"

After he won the game swinging with a recurring Thragtusk and Thrun, one of the spectators said "I never thought I'd see a Legacy game being won by Thrun and Swagtusk. That was awesome!"

Don't let the nay sayers bring you down. Indulge your inner NicFit.

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Originally Posted by lavafrogg

Profane command would work as a build your own kill/reanimate spell for much of the game and would double as the burn/alpha-strike win condition with an coffers/urborg in play. I really wish the last mode was anything better.

If you read the command article wizards did a few years ago the last mode was supposed to be "gain x life" which would be perfect but they felt it was too strong for standard...

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I'm saying even without Coffers/Borg the card could do work. Recurring a fallen Rhino while giving some stupid creature -4/-4 could be gamebreaking. In terms of card value, this might be an overlooked gem. It's an amazing late game topdeck, it's removal, recursion, even a win condition. Hmmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by tilzinger

Exsanguinate?

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With ProsBloom? I can dig it.

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Originally Posted by thotcrime

I'm saying even without Coffers/Borg the card could do work. Recurring a fallen Rhino while giving some stupid creature -4/-4 could be gamebreaking. In terms of card value, this might be an overlooked gem. It's an amazing late game topdeck, it's removal, recursion, even a win condition. Hmmmmmmm

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I always have a flex spot in the wishboard. I am curious if there will be moments to wish for this thing.

I played two prerelease sealed tournaments these days and - although i dont compare limited with legacy - i came to appreciate the power of the new nissa. I will try her in scapefit and report my findings.

@Random-card-discussions: The deckbuilding space is wide open. There is no dominant nicfit list and the lists in this thread show big variances. I really like that - and the fact that most of the serious suggestions are properly discussed.

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I'm saying even without Coffers/Borg the card could do work. Recurring a fallen Rhino while giving some stupid creature -4/-4 could be gamebreaking. In terms of card value, this might be an overlooked gem. It's an amazing late game topdeck, it's removal, recursion, even a win condition. Hmmmmmmm

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Early game it would be great to bring back an explorer, death rite shaman or scavenging ooze that has met its demise, late game it could be witnessed back to dome the opponent/recur a fattie/kill anything, especially with cabal coffers.

My problem has been that the two towers are graveyard dependent and I wanted prime time to be able to give value without using the yard.

Urborg/coffers has been the best idea so far.

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Originally Posted by thotcrime

If you were just trolling, ya got me.

Lavafrogg mentioned Profane Command, has anyone actually tried this ? The card is fucking nutso, especially when we're casting for 5+

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Wasn't trolling, just came to mind as something to do next turn with excess mana. Swing with Titan and then send 6-10 dmg to face. Seemed good. Though the Profane Command would be better, just forgot about it.

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Originally Posted by Bobmans

You get all sorts of comments on playing NicFit during a tournament. One time this guy was flaming me for playing Siege Rhino in Legacy. Haha. Always love to see the faces when i jam my full japanese deck filled with readers on the board. One gotta to know the format, some don't even dare to ask what cards do when you jam it next to FBB signed Duals.

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I played a Japanese siege rhino in a legacy tournament in Japan against a Japanese Esper Blade opponent. Towards the end of game 3 he chump blocked my rhino with a spirit token while at 3 life. That didn't quite go down how he wanted it too... XD

Regarding primetime lands in GBw, you can fetch vault of the archangel to turn your trampling giant INTO an exanguinate. But the usual thing is to get the two towers, volraths stronghold and phyrexian tower so you can start recurring everything assuming there isn't a RIP in play

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I played a Japanese siege rhino in a legacy tournament in Japan against a Japanese Esper Blade opponent. Towards the end of game 3 he chump blocked my rhino with a spirit token while at 3 life. That didn't quite go down how he wanted it too... XD

Regarding primetime lands in GBw, you can fetch vault of the archangel to turn your trampling giant INTO an exanguinate. But the usual thing is to get the two towers, volraths stronghold and phyrexian tower so you can start recurring everything assuming there isn't a RIP in play

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I played Vault in my Knight build in the TC era since there were so many aggro bolt decks. It's hard for them to beat huge knights or Rhinos with lifelink. The deathtouch can also be relevant.

The thing I don't like about Vault is the narrow application. It taps for colorless and does little else without a creature in play, putting it arguably in the same realm as Phyrexian Tower (requires creature to be useful). Cabal Coffers also runs into this problem, being pretty useless without its friend Urborg. If I were to brew something up using Profane Command, Coffers and 'Borg, it would probably be straight GB to take advantage of Coffers. I could easily see Caleb Durward's list supporting that.

edit: during my musings, I remembered the card Porphyry Nodes (or Drop of Honey if you prefer). I could see this monster doing serious work against DnT, Delver, SFM decks, etc

So, putting this out there just in case: no B&R updates :) Keep toppin' away friends!

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ent-2015-07-13

Played a small casual 11 players legacy tournament an hour drive from my city. Got second with a bad topdeck mode in TOP4 Finals in game 3 against UG Infect. I've played a random Abzan list I've put up 10 minutes before going to the event. Decks to beat were: MonoG Elves, 2x Merfolks, WUR Countertop, Dredge, Belcher&Empty the Warrens, MonoW Quest, Deadguy Ale, Rogue WUBG tempo deck (Maverick&BUG Nic Fit mashup), etc...very strang metagame.

Round 01 - Bye

Got a free 50 minutes to explore metagame and to mentally prepare for the next three rounds.

Round 02 - Dredge 2:0

Won first game with Siege Rhinos and topdecking GSZ for Scooze. He didn't dredged a single Bridge or Narcomoeba. Game 2 I've sided in my gravehate. He went first. Careful Study discarded 2x Gravetrolls. Which were then Extracted for good.

Round 03 - Belcher&Empty the Warrens

This is the most fustrating deck to play against. Match can be quite fustrating if he wins on turn 1. Dice rolling won me first game. Went first, Therapy hit Charbelcher, and then Siege Rhino and Dromoka got me first game. Sided in half of my sideboard to try to beat him G2. Of course, we went first and went off with combo on T1. Let's go G3 game loss! G3 he kept a slow hand. I've managed to stall the game, until he played Charbelcher and combo off. For 5 damage. Haha! Then I prayed for a topdeck GSZ. It happened. Gaddock came in and it was three wins. Top4 was secured!

Round 04 - UG Infect

We splited for a draw to be first on the standings.

Top4 Round 01 Merfolk

G1 was won because of the two Deeds that cleared the board for Rhinos to swing or the win. Sided in only one EPlague. Never drew it at all. G2 he went for aggro and swung with lords, TNN's and Mutavaults. G3 was a long one. After many turns and exchanging cards, all I had left were basics and dual lands. No cards in hand and no creatures. His board had 3-4 creatures. Topdeck saved my day. Deed cleared the board and GSZ went for Dromoka which killed him in few turns. Can't remember, but I think G1 I was at one life and killed him afterwards. Haha!

Top4 Round 02 UG Infect

G1 was lost because of Inkmoths which flooded the board and I didn't have my legends to protect me. G2 I've sided in KGrip, 2x Melira and PNeedle. Won with Siege Rhinos and Dromoka. G3 was a very long one. Almost 30+ minutes. I I drew a GSZ a turn before, Sigarda and Dromoka could stall the board for my removals.

Cards of the day were definitely Dromoka, Siege Rhinos and Anafenza. I've felt like a standard player that tournament. Haha! :D Secondd place, for a 3 dolars entry fee, got me a mint RTR Overgrown Tomb, and two ''very bad pulls'' Dragons of Tarkir boosters.

I was thinking of adding in a Wilt-Leaf Liege and a Night of Soul's Betrayal. Is it a good idea, and what should I kick out of the maindeck?

This is the list:

Sideboard:

1x Containment Priest
2x Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1x Obstinate Baloth
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Dryad Militant
1x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Extirpate
1x Duress
1x Thoughtseize
1x Engineered Plague
1x Leyline of The Void
1x Krisan Grip
1x Pithing Needle


Mainboard:

Lands

3x Forest
2x Swamp
2x Plains
2x Bayou
2x Scrubland
1x Savannah
4x Verdant Catacombs
2x Windswept Heath
1x Marsh Flats
1x Phyrexian Tower
1x Karakas
1x Volrath's Stronghold
1x Wasteland

Creatures

4x Veteran Explorer
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Eternal Witness
1x Courser Of Kruphix
1x Thragtusk
1x Anafenza, the Foremost
2x Siege Rhino
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Dragonlord Dromoka

Spells

4x Cabal Therapy
3x Path to Exile
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Maelstrom Pulse
4x Pernicious Deed
3x Sensei's Divining Top
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Recurring Nightmare
1x Garruk Relentless

How have you found Anafenza to perform? How often does it function as more than a beater?

I'm going to keep tinkering with this Night's Whisper / Living Wish Thune shell I've been working on. I actually think that Whisper+Wish might be strong enough to actually just be -better- than Top (in exactly that shell).

I don't promise much activity moving forward, but I'll try to drift through every once in a while. The complete lack of bans / unbans yesterday really demoralized me. I don't know what fantasy world the WotC staff who makes these decisions is living in, but it'd sure be nice to visit there. Must be nice this time of year.

I'll be at Eternal Weekend at the end of August, but at this point I'm planning on running 2x vintage (Trial on Saturday and main event on Sunday) instead of 1x Legacy / 1x Vintage.

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Originally Posted by thotcrime

How have you found Anafenza to perform? How often does it function as more than a beater?

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I put her in the maindeck totally random while going through my collection. And then, I thought about another mainboard hate on creature graveyard based decks that are often there in that metagame along with DRS and SCooze. I personally don't like Kitchen Finks very much at GSZ for three and wanted to se how can she perform in a legacy meta. In a few matches, she was really good pumping out Siege Rhinos, Veterans and so on, and then making opponents block her with everything they've got to kill her, often trading a 2-3 for 1. Zenithable, can return her with Karakas, out of the bolt range and a nice tempo beater. Very good card. But, she is, for now, my replacement for Wilt-Leaf Liege.

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Originally Posted by Arianrhod

I'm going to keep tinkering with this Night's Whisper / Living Wish Thune shell I've been working on. I actually think that Whisper+Wish might be strong enough to actually just be -better- than Top (in exactly that shell).

I don't promise much activity moving forward, but I'll try to drift through every once in a while. The complete lack of bans / unbans yesterday really demoralized me. I don't know what fantasy world the WotC staff who makes these decisions is living in, but it'd sure be nice to visit there. Must be nice this time of year.

I'll be at Eternal Weekend at the end of August, but at this point I'm planning on running 2x vintage (Trial on Saturday and main event on Sunday) instead of 1x Legacy / 1x Vintage.

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I'm thinking of picking up this deck again. It's been awhile since I played it though. anyone playing a BUG version with Dig through Times? This seemslike a Deck that could support the card nicely as a two of and with brainstorm and nights whisper could fuel it?