I'm an idiot. I'll have another look in a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
EDIT: Doesn't actually matter. He's still faster OTP and has to take the draw OTD.
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I'm an idiot. I'll have another look in a minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
EDIT: Doesn't actually matter. He's still faster OTP and has to take the draw OTD.
4. Wrath of Pie: Mage-Ring Network, Urza's Factory, Hangarback Walker, Walking Ballista
1. Asthereal (TO): Treetop Village, Selesnya Sanctuary, Loxodon Smiter, Knight of Autumn LL
2. Moosedog: Plains, Pendelhaven, Basilisk Collar, Adanto Vanguard LL - Deathtouch and lifelink are potent, and Walking Ballista is not fast enough to deal with Vanguard.
3. Tylert: Golgari Rot Farm, Treetop Village, Elixir of Immortality, Abrupt Decay LL
5. H: Forest, Gilded Goose, Island, Oko, Thief of Crowns LL
6. FTW: Inspiring Vantage, Spirebluff Canal, Stromkirk Noble, Meddling Mage WL
1w = 3 points
I have added more analysis for our matchup to my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
I think I win OTP, but I might be missing lines still. Let me know what you can find.
Preliminary scores for round 8:
1. Tylert: 25 - 5
2. H: 21 - 4,2
3. FTW: 14 - 2,8
4. Moosedog: 13 - 2,6
5. Asthereal (TO): 11 - 2,2
6. Wrath of Pie: 3 - 0,6
Which leads to the banning of Golgari Rot Farm, Treetop Village, Elixir of Immortality and Abrupt Decay.
Unless someone still finds new lines which change the scores and rob Tylert of a deserved victory for this particular round.
Let's hope that doesn't happen, because I'll be building my deck for next round very soon, and I don't want to have to redo all that work. :wink:
But don't let my troubles stop you from executing 4CB rule number one: Everybody plays optimally. If a better line is found, that line is played. :cool:
We're playing a game. If we stop abiding by that game's rules, we might as well resort to throwing dice.
EDIT: If these scores are correct, the standings after round 8 look like this:
1. Asthereal (TO): 30
2. Tylert: 23,3
3. FTW: 21,5
4. H: 19,7
5. Wrath of Pie: 17
6. Moosedog: 6
So Tylert reclaims second place, and H climbs a place as well. Also, my lead dwindles a bit.
ROUND 9 of SEASON 5: MODERN MADNESS has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 9, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 11th of March, at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Mountain, Blightspeaker, Combust (so with card tags around each card, and not above eachother), with your Username and 4CB S05R09 in the topic.
Many of you already do this. Thanks a lot, this really saves me a lot of time and hassle of copying and pasting text and tags!
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. It will grow every round. You'll find the banned list in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition. :smile:
Happy deck designing everybody! :cool:
About 24 hours until the deadline, we're at 4 entries. Don't miss out. :wink:
Also, I'm starting to think about next season.
Interest seems to be dwindling a bit, but I'd like to do one more at least.
Perhaps it'd be cool to do a season with weird versions of 4CB.
As in: add a rule to every round. I have a few in mind already.
For instance: creatures don't deal damage to players.
Perhaps that one's a little limiting. But you get the idea.
I guess we should probably start with a basis, like Legacy with existing banned list.
Then for every round I will beforehand explain the rule change.
What do you guys think? Fun idea?
If so, please post your fun ideas for weird rules to make cool rounds with. :smile:
To get you guys going, here's a few ideas I had:
- Tribal (your deck has to contain at least two creatures of the same creature type)
- Zooölogy (you can only win the game by dealing combat damage with creatures of a creature type typically found at a zoo)
- Deja vu (all spells can be cast from graveyards - if you do, the card gains "if this card would be put in a graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead")
I'm out of town once again for this round with nor real time to theorize... so i sent you a place holder.
For now, I like the modern 4CB and I think we could probably do a few more rounds.
ALso, i'm in for the whacky ideas. Everyone could submit random ideas also.
Zoology includes Humans, after all they are typically found as visitors. I think Ensnaring Bridge probably breaks that format, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
One of my favorite formats in the past was TOME (The One Mana Experience), you add a mana of any type each turn and this mana doesn't empty, it probably powers up 2-mana discard a lot though and there are quite a few good options. Since you are going one format a round, restrictions would work better as a general rule to distinguish the rounds from each other.
Well, it is not "wacky" but I'd like to see the effect on Vintage, or Legacy 4CB where one doesn't draw cards for turns, which cuts off most recursive things and also the absurd power of things like Thassa's Oracle, Lab Man and that tipple-U Jace.
Or, Planechase 4CB. Every round starts on a random Plane and we build from there. No Chaos symbol effects though, since that would not be doable, but gives each round some unique character to build around. Card pool could be whatever, really.
Deadline has passed and it looks like I have everybody, so here we go:
DECKS FOR ROUND 9 OF SEASON 5: MODERN MADNESS
1. Asthereal (TO): Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Student of Warfare, Path to Exile
2. FTW: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox
3. Wrath of Pie: Faerie Conclave, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
4. Moosedog: Evil presence, Cruel sadist, Path to exile, Concealed courtyard
5. Tylert: Concealed courtyard, Student of warfare, Path of exile, Duress
6. H: Temple Garden, Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare, Mayor of Avabruck
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Also, more ideas for season 6 are still welcome. :smile:
3. Wrath of Pie: Faerie Conclave, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
1. Asthereal (TO): Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Student of Warfare, Path to Exile WW
2. FTW: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox LL
4. Moosedog: Evil presence, Cruel sadist, Path to exile, Concealed courtyard LL
5. Tylert: Concealed courtyard, Student of warfare, Path of exile, Duress LL
6. H: Temple Garden, Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare, Mayor of Avabruck WW? - I should win if I get to trade Food for a flipped Mayor, the question is if I survive long enough.
4w = 12 points
Asthereal scores, really quickly during busy work times, so probably contains 17 errors. Be sure to correct me.
1. Asthereal (TO): Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Student of Warfare, Path to Exile
Boring uninspired snorefest of a deck.
2. FTW: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox
Yeah, I did not meta against this, this round. 0-6
3. Wrath of Pie: Faerie Conclave, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
It seems I'm not fast enough here. I Path Mayor, my Hexdude is fast enough to grow and attack Oko, but you double block and then Student is too slow. 0-6
4. Moosedog: Evil presence, Cruel sadist, Path to exile, Concealed courtyard
I play nothing until you cast your dude, then I Path it afterwards. You Presence my land and we draw. 2-2
5. Tylert: Concealed courtyard, Student of warfare, Path of exile, Duress
You Duress my Path and Path my Hexdude before it becomes immune. My Student trades with yours for two draws? 2-2
6. H: Temple Garden, Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare, Mayor of Avabruck
I Path your Hierarch. Your Student trades with mine and I keep a Hexdude to win it. 6-0
Total: 10 points
Against Wrath
A: Temple (A=18), Hex
W: Conclave
A: Hex=L1, Attack, W=18
W: Chamber
A: Hex=L2, Attack, W=16
W: Conclave, cast Mayor
A: Path Mayor, attack, W=14
W: Cast Oko, +2 make food, Oko=L6
A: Hex=L3 (4/4), attack Oko, Oko=L2
W: Oko +1 (L3) make food into 3/3
A: Attack Oko, activate Conclave, double block, all die, cast Student
W: Oko +2 make food, Oko=L5
A: Student=L1, attack Oko, Oko=L4
W: Oko +1, turn food into 3/3, Oko=L5
A: Student=L2 (3/3 first strike), attack Oko, Oko=L2
W: Oko +2, make food, Oko=L4
A: Student=L3, attack Oko, Oko=L1
W: Make food into second 3/3 dude, Oko=L2
A: Student=L4, attack, you double block with both 3/3 food guys and proceed to win.
Yup, that seems to work.
@Wrath: I see we both think we beat eachother 6-0.
What lines did you have in mind?
I posted mine quickly, but I might be missing a few things.
Perhaps you can try something with your Conclave? I don't see it yet though.
H: Temple Garden, Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare, Mayor of Avabruck
1. Asthereal (TO): Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Student of Warfare, Path to Exile
Not seeing how I win this. I can't bait the Path with Student, because you can match that with a Hexdrinker. So, as soon as I play the Noble, it gets Pathed and I can't Mayor. Then I lose to another level-up body. 0-6
2. FTW: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox
I think this comes down to if I can get Mayor or not. On the Play, I can, on the Draw, I can't. 3-3
3. Wrath of Pie: Faerie Conclave, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
This is complicated, I think.
When I am on the Play:
T1 H: Garden, untapped, [H=18], Hierarch.
T1 WoP: Conclave.
T2 H: Early inflection point here. Is the play Student, or Mayor? If Student, I get to go to Level 1 and pass. If I play Mayor, it will flip on my next turn, and make me a Wolf at end of next turn. Let us see what happens if I Mayor. So, Mayor and pass.
T2 WoP: Chamber, return Conclave, pass.
T3 H: Mayor flips, play Student, go to Level 1 and attack for 4 [WoP=16], get a Wolf EOT.
T3 WoP: Play Mayor, Conclave tapped.
T4 H: Level Student to 3, so now I have 3/3 Mayor, 3/3 Wolf, 3/3 Student. Attack with all, blocking would seem bad, so [WoP=7], make a Wolf.
T4 WoP: Mayor flips. Play Oko, make a Food [Oko=6 loyalty]. Attacking would be very bad, so make Wolf EOT.
T5 H: Student to Level 5. Now I have 3/3 Student, 3/3 Mayor, and two 3/3 Wolf tokens. If I attack WoP, a block on a Token with a Token would then result in 9 damage and a loss. So the Mayor must block something. If it trades with my Mayor, Oko could then steal my Student for the Food, or could make the Food a 3/3. Stealing seems bad, since the Student would be tapped and then there is only one Blocker and WoP is at 1. So, making the Food a 3/3 seems like the best course. So, lets play it out with that. So, Mayor trades for Mayor, Token for Token, [WoP=1].
T5 WoP: As we said, stealing a tapped Student would be bad, making Student a 3/3 doesn't change that 2 blockers are needed, so make Food a 3/3 and pass [Oko=7].
T6 H: Make Student Level 7. Attack with 2/2 Token and Student. The 3/3 can block the 2/2, and the Conclave chumps the Student.
T6 WoP: Oko can't steal Student still, so it is either make Food and pass or make Student an Elk.
In the case of making the Food:
T7 H: Attack with Student, must be chumped with the Elk, since eating the Food isn't enough life to survive.
T7 WoP: Trade Food for Student, but Student is tapped, so Hierarch would attack for 1 and win. Making a Food doesn't win, because Student is a 5/5 double strike. Lets go back to T6 then and make Student an Elk.
T6 WoP: Make Student an Elk.
T7 H: Attack with 4/4 Elk, it must be chumped because WoP is still at 1.
T7 WoP: Make a Food, go to 4.
T8 H: Attack for 4 with Elk. So I think I do win on the Play. 3-3?
This was surprisingly complicated. I'd guess I just lose on the Draw though.
4. Moosedog: Evil presence, Cruel sadist, Path to exile, Concealed courtyard
I don't think I can beat this, because I can be denied White mana and Mayor in every case. 0-6
5. Tylert: Concealed courtyard, Student of warfare, Path of exile, Duress
Student staredown? Not sure, need to think more. ?-?
6. H: Bye, myself.
This was a surprisingly complicated round, I think.
Wrath, as of now, has himself down for two loses to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
1. Asthereal – Agree with your assessment, draw both games. DD
2. FTW – There was a second where I thought I could turn mutavault into a swamp to mess with you, but no. You win both games . LL
3. Wrath – Presence on Chamber stops you from playing anything. WW
4. ME.
5. Tylert: You duress the presence and we trade paths. DD
6. H: I believe I can path the noble and then presence the garden before you can level up so I will win the race. WW
Conclave can block with an Elk to trade with 4/4 Hexdrinker, which might be a problem for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
If I make Food and then make it a 3/3, then I can double-block with Conclave and the Food and then I should be able to do something against Student.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I think I am too fast for you to wait until 6/6 Hexdrinker, because Oko will just trade Food for the Hexdrinker if you choose to hold back.
Again, the double-block deals with Hexdrinker as a 4/4.Quote:
W: Conclave
A: Temple (A=18), Hex
W: Chamber
A: Hex=L1, Attack, W=18
W: Conclave, cast Mayor
A: Path Mayor, attack, W=16
W: Oko, +2 make food
A: Hex=L2, attack Oko, Oko=L4
W: Oko +1, make food into a 3/3, Oko=L5
A: Hex=L3 (4/4), attack Oko, Oko=L1
From here I cast Student, and Level up until 3/3 first strike.
Hex as 4/4 keeps attacking Oko, and gets joined when Student is big enough.
Should still win, I think.
What if I make your Mayor an Elk rather than make Food? That makes your Wolves only 2/2, so my Mayor can block and survive one of your Wolf tokens, and I can chump Student forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by H
Hmm, yeah, that does seem to work looking at it, because while I can kill the Oko in that case, I can't race the Mayor (plus the Conclave).Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Ah, right. I missed the double block.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath of Pie
Re-did my calculations and Student gets Oko to 1 afterwards but then you get to make the second 3/3 food guy and double block Student as well ftw.
I guess the 6-0 is for you then.
I can also just make Student a 3/3 without first strike at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
For ideas, I have this for a reference, looking through the seasons to see how many of them would work for 4CB.
1. Asthereal (TO): Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Student of Warfare, Path to Exile
2. FTW: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox
3. Wrath of Pie: Faerie Conclave, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
4. Moosedog: Evil presence, Cruel sadist, Path to exile, Concealed courtyard
5. Tylert: Concealed courtyard, Student of warfare, Path of exile, Duress
6. H: Temple Garden, Noble Hierarch, Student of Warfare, Mayor of Avabruck
1. Asthereal: I can duress your path, path your hexdrinker, and it will be a draw. 2-2 --> 2.
2. FTW: OTP: I can duress shrieking affliction. If i play a creature, you can small pox for the draw. If i don't it's a staredown cause I can path mutavault. OTD: You can play shrieking affliction, I don't do antyhing. If you smallpow, you can't win. If you attack with mutavault, i can path it and you can't small pox. so draw. 2-2 --> 4
3. Wrath of Pie: Duress on Oko. path on mayor. student of warfare is faster than faerie conclave. 6-0 --> 10.
4. Moosedog: I can duress presence, then we trade paths. 2-2 --> 12.
5. Me.
6. H: I can path hierarch for a Student vs student Stand off. Draw. 2-2 --> 14
Total 14. Boring round :)
You have 2 mana per turn. So your student grows bigger. Also, it has +1/+1 from exalt... it looks like two wins for you from my point of view. Duress is good in the Oko / shrieking affliction matchu ups... not here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by H
I count 10 only :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
[QUOTE=Tylert;1081976]
6. H: This looks like a win for you. I can't duress anything. I path mayor. but you will have a bigger student quicker than me thanks to Hierarch and I can't trade thanks to the +1/+1 from exalt. 0-6 --> 12.
QUOTE]
Just curious, not exactly sure how finding decision trees in this format works, but can't you just path the hierarch and then it's a student standoff?
Forgot to edit those numbers. Thankfully, Google Spreadsheets counts for me. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
The decision tree is simple: everybody plays optimally with perfect information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
If a better line is found by anyone, that line is played.
In this situation he can indeed Path the Hierarch and stop Mayor from landing.
Whether one Student levels up quickly enough to win the game needs to be calculated.
I don't think it will, and the games will be a draw.
Decision finding works this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293Just curious, not exactly sure how finding decision trees in this format works, but can't you just path the hierarch and then it's a student standoff?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
- the player tries to find the best line possible. Sometimes he finds all the lines, sometimes he doesn't.
- When he doesn't luckily, someone else much smarter finds the optimal line for both players :)
I agree with you, i can path noble hierarch, then we draw :)
Assuming FTW is either busy or on holiday, and assuming we all calculated our scores against him correctly...
Preliminary standings for round 9
Rank. Player: score - SP
1. FTW: 23 - 4,6
2. Moosedog: 16 - 3,2
3. Tylert: 14 - 2,8
4. Asthereal (TO): 10 - 2
5. Wrath of Pie: 9 - 1,8
6. H: 8 - 1,6
Which means FTWs nasty Smallpox deck gets the axe:
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Mutavault, Shrieking Affliction, Smallpox
@Wrath: Thanks a lot for the link to the 3CM thread of that other forum. It's a gold mine!
I have enough ideas now for an entire season with weird format rounds of 4CB.
BUT... if someone still has fun ideas for rounds with weird additional rules, be sure to post them.
If they look like fun, I'll add them to the season 6 schedule.
Please also think about cards that might break your idea, so I can add temporary bans per round.
(I have a few ideas already that REALLY need an extra ban.)
The most important decision is submitting to the moderator, pretty hard to join in on the fun otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
Everything gets cancelled because of the coronavirus, but thankfully we can still play our little internet competition of chaos. So let's go!
ROUND 10 of SEASON 5: MODERN MADNESS has started.
I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 10, so you can start sending me your decks.
DEADLINE: Wednesday the 18th of March, at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)
PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Swamp, Mountain, Blightspeaker, Combust (so with card tags around each card, and not above eachother), with your Username and 4CB S05R10 in the topic.
Many of you already do this. Thanks a lot, this really saves me a lot of time and hassle of copying and pasting text and tags!
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. It will grow every round. You'll find the banned list in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.
After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.
Also, if you've been lurking on this thread and looking to join, you can step in anytime, any round. That's no problem at all. Just send me your deck before the deadline, and I'll add you to the competition. :smile:
Happy deck designing everybody! :cool:
I'm stuck at home... no more wednesday magic... luckily there's magic arena and 4CB :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Yup. Everything has shut down here as well. No cinemas, bars, sports or other meeting-related stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
There isn't much to do. Except for at work. Work is a mess. I'm in the event business, so it's complete chaos here.
Anyway, about 24 hours until the deadline, and I'm at 4 entries, so we'll probably get there.
There's a good to fair chance though that I'll be (very) late posting decks tomorrow, because of the mayhem at work.
So bear with me. I'll post decks as soon as I find time.
WHere you among the people waiting in line to get their weed before the closure? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
I'll send something tonight or tomorrow morning before noon.
LOL nah, I don't use that stuff, but I know a few people who will be rather upset when they run out. :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tylert
Anyway, no more weed should the the least of our worries in these strange times.
The big question on my mind is whether I still have a job in a few months time...
Yeah, not a lot of time to think, I just submitted something stupid and not well thought out, which isn't really out of my ordinary though.
Tylert, where's your deck? Issues with PM?
Tylert sent his deck, so here we go:
DECKS FOR ROUND 10 OF SEASON 5: MODERN MADNESS
1. Asthereal (TO): Stomping Ground, Durkwood Baloth, Hexdrinker, Lava Dart
2. FTW: Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Path to Exile, Judge's Familiar
3. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
4. Moosedog: Inspiring vantage, Stromkirk noble, Path to exile, Student of warfare
5. H: Goblin Guide, Lava Dart, Forge Devil, Mountain
6. Tylert: Blooming Marsh, Noble hierarch, Mayor of avabruck, Duress
Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
I'll update the Google Spreadsheet for the season, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
Also, more ideas for season 6 are still welcome. :smile:
Asthereal results for round 10:
1. Asthereal (TO): Stomping Ground, Durkwood Baloth, Hexdrinker, Lava Dart
That's me. How about combining my fav 4CB card, Lava Dart, with a card that wants to use that land I'll need to sac for it. Sounds good, no?
2. FTW: Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Path to Exile, Judge's Familiar
I can kill both your guys, but it looks like you can only kill one of mine, so I should win this. 6-0
3. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
Ugh, I don't feel like calculating this. You probably win because Mayor+Haven is rather annoying. For now I'll enter 0-6, will calculate later when I'm less of a mess.
4. Moosedog: Inspiring vantage, Stromkirk noble, Path to exile, Student of warfare
Again I can kill both your guys, but it looks like you can only kill one of mine, so I should win this. 6-0
5. H: Goblin Guide, Lava Dart, Forge Devil, Mountain
Suspend Baloth, then double-Dart your Guide. Baloth will resolve and win the race while being out of Dart-range. 6-0
6. Tylert: Blooming Marsh, Noble hierarch, Mayor of avabruck, Duress
I can kill your Hierarch regardless of whether you Duress my Lava Dart. Baloth or Hexdrinker will win it. 6-0
Total: 24 points
1.Aesthereal (TO): Stomping Ground, Durkwood Baloth, Hexdrinker, Lava Dart
I believe the lava dart will always get me before I can make guys out of range. LL
2. FTW: Temple Garden, Hexdrinker, Path to Exile, Judge's Familiar
I think this becomes a Student vs hexdrinker race? I’ll need to play it out to see who wins
3. Wrath of Pie: Pendelhaven, Simic Growth Chamber, Oko, Thief of Crowns, Mayor of Avabruck
Does stromkirk get counter attacking planewalker? I think you’ll get this need to play it out.
4. Moosedog: Inspiring vantage, Stromkirk noble, Path to exile, Student of warfare
5. H: Goblin Guide, Lava Dart, Forge Devil, Mountain
I believe I cannot work around dart and devil. LL
6. Tylert: Blooming Marsh, Noble hierarch, Mayor of avabruck, Duress
Hm, I believe Stromkirk will get to a 4/4 OTD but then you’ll stabilize. OTP I believe I’ll get there because you’ll have to keep chumping? LW