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I've been thinking the same thing for a few weeks, but I always end up cutting it for something else. Obviously the weakest slots are the cantrips, but at the same time I'm hesitant to remove more blue cards from the deck to include another 2cmc enchantment. I'll test it next weekend for sure though.Quote:
Originally Posted by godryk
I can testify to how awesome Sylvan Library is in Bant Suvival, if you think of it as a Sensei's Divining Top that doesn't cost mana or "turn target Warmonk/Jitte into an Ophidian" it's busted.
@All,
I feel pretty confidant with the deck as I run it right now except for 1/2 matchups, Dredge and Merfolk. I do not want to run any specific anti dredge hate since it will do almost nothing in other matchups.
What is the sideboard plan and playing style in these two matchups?
I keep a few Faerie Macabre and Tormod's Crypt in my sideboard for Reanimator, and they just so happen to be good against Dredge, so I don't feel like they're wasted slots. For Merfolk, Path to Exile and Jitte seem to do the trick for me. I've pretty much given up on Propaganda/Dueling Grounds/Ghostly Prison as they never seem to do what I want them to, while Jitte is never disappointing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waikiki
I'm running a graveyard hate package of two Faerie Macabre and two Relic of Progenitus, and it's working pretty well against graveyard decks. If reanimator starts getting big (several people in my meta decided to run it last night) I might add another piece or two. Vs. Ichorid I side out Eternal Witness, Vendilion Clique, Trygon Predator, two Swords to Plowshares and one Qasali Pridemage for two Faerie Macabres, two Relics of Progenitus, and two Path to Exile. If I'm running Dueling Grounds/Ghostly Prison I'll board those in too.
For Merfolk I board in three Umezawa's Jitte/Dueling Grounds, two Path to Exile, and Kira, Great Glass Spinner for Eternal Witness, Meddling Mage, Vendilion Clique, Trygon Predator, Qasali Pridemage, and Noble Hierarch. If they aren't running Stifle I might board out another Noble Hierarch or two.
I'm not too experienced in the Merfolk matchup, so I might have that wrong. You could also board out Meddling Mages against Ichorid for extra Paths to Exile.
My sb is:
3 firespout ( I run 1 volcanic island on MD )---> againts ichorid, merfolks,goblins,faeries ect...
3 Meddling Mage ---> againts combo ect..
1 llawan cephalid empress ---> againts merfolks, sea stompy...
2 path to exile ---> aggro decks
1 relic of progenitus ---> dredge
1 tormod's cryps ---> dredge
2 jotun grunt
1 loaming shaman
I run alot hate graveyard on my sb because there are alot of dredge and with only 4 hate's its not enought. Also MM I sb against dredge too naming cabal and dread return
what do you think about?
I found firespout ok but not super so I decided against it to get more basics in my maindeck.
Also I wonder how good spell pierce in the sideboard is. It gives more slots to use but weakens the combo matchup.
I think spell pierce is good if u only run 4 fows on MD if u run spell snare or daze I preffer this 3 slots for another card. vs combo u Have MM and fow ( me 3 daze more). Do you want to waste 3 slots?
Isn't that wrong to side Pridemages against dredge, just because you can get rid of bridges easily with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuma
Why do want side in Kira against merfolks? Do you think they will side in mind harmenss? I think you could keep in Pridemage or Trygon to help fight against their vials + mind harmenss. I wouldn't also board out Meddling mages out for dredge, just because if you get one down and name "cabal therapy" and they will stop raping your hand and getting zombie tokens at same time. If you draw another, name "dread return" and then they have problems if they don't find/resolve bounce.
This. Sacrificing Pridemage has won me so many games against Dredge it's not even funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
Aren't you supposed to have a target to sac pridemage to? Or you guys are still alive when survival is up ?
@Kira vs Merfolk, Merfolk often brings in submerge or something similar which is a pain in the ass.
They could bring in pithing needles against you, so you can hit them sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waikiki
Didn't throught that submerge, yes that works well against it.
And don't forget the Reejerey Tap-Ability, it puts him on top of the damage race very often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
Waikiki thanks for your list, it seems very strong and solid.
How good were the Dueling Grounds?
And can't you add 2 Vendilion Clique beside the 3 Meddling Mages because of their synergy?I missed Vendilion Clique several times on my last tourneys with the deck. I think you can cut 1 Ponder and 1 Qasali Pridemage from your list.
I would cut 1 rhox war monk and 1 wonder for 2 cliques.
I haven't been able to use the grounds anywhere during the tourney.
Not really, since you're not likely to have any targets for the ability. You could blow up your own Survival, but if you have Survival and an open mana, you could just find a Faerie Macabre and remove their Bridges From Below that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
The number one reason to have Kira against Merfolk is to get rid of their Kiras. It's also good against Merrow Reejery, Submerge, Mind Harness, Threads of Disloyalty, Umezawa's Jitte, and their Swords/Paths if they run the white splash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
You could, but I don't think that's right battle. I'd rather have the Paths to Exile and Umezawa's Jittes for their lords.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
Meddling Mage is certainly a relevant card against Ichorid, hell it's relevant against everything. But do you really think it's stronger than Dueling Grounds/Ghostly Prison? How would you board against Ichorid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Atog
Kuma:
Without knowing what list you are playing i use Waikiki's list for cite:
In:
SB: 2 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 2 [FD] Engineered Explosives
SB: 2 [CFX] Path to Exile
SB: 3 [IN] Dueling Grounds
Out:
4x Rhox war monk
3x Qasali Pridemage
1x Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1x Ponder
Like that example. Yes, i would took out pridemages when i saw the list. But i would still leave meddling mages in. If you resolve dueling grounds and get meddling mage and naming their bounce you are in good shape.
I'd rather side out Goyf instead of Monks. When I've managed to stop them from comboing, Rhox has served me well at stopping recursive Bloodghasts/Ichorids, as it kind of block twice.
If you manage to get rid of bridges, i prefer tarmogoyf over rhox war monk just because they don't necessary have enought guys to kill tarmogoyf, just chump it. War monk won't be never bigger than 3/4 without exalted so it will die easily to couple bloodghasts. Now you will say that bloodghast's will come back, yes they will if they have undiscovered paradise but if they don't, they still can kill rhox war monk and they have done their duty then.Quote:
Originally Posted by godryk
@Atog: Bloodghasts can't block
I played a tourney this saturday and faced 2 Ichorid (2-0 and 2-1 wins), the Monks where awesome. It stoped their Ichorids from attacking.
I sided like this:
-4 FoW
-3 Spell Snare
-1 Trygon
+2 Gaddock Teeg
+2 Tormod's
+2 EE
+2 Path
I reasoned that you dont have a whole lot to counter and its better to deal with what they have on board and in grave.
For Dredge I find a MD Trinket Mage is a good investment, that way you can SB a Relic of Progenitus or Tormod's Crypt over some dedicated hate creature and having easy access to Engineered Explosives is nutty good.