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Ok so you S&T Omni into play with Wish as your last card. They put in Ashen Rider, you Wish for FF. Without the 2cmc I can't see a FF pile that allows you to find Enter and a way to stop their Rider. Am I missing something?
EDIT: after looking at his list again, I forgot about the Quicken. So assuming same scenario, Wish for FF, get Intuition Quicken, Intuition for Enter, Quicken Enter.
The only reason to play FF is for the backdoor Dream Halls kill. If you want it for the Clique/Rider/O-ring scenarios, just play the Quicken/Trickbind in your board and save yourself some time and a main slot. At least that is the way I look at it.
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New card from KtK. Maybe in 1-2 copies?
I saw this card and thought about this deck. I'm not an expert on Omnitell but it looks like the best fitting home for this card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barsoom
I doubt it could be good at all.
I'd need to cantrip once on turn 1 and twice on turn 2, plus crack fetches on each turn 1-3, in order to cast this spell for UU on my third turn.
With that much setup, we should be ready for a protected kill, at which point the UU in the mana cost gets really troublesome. I'd rather have an Intuition.
I'm fairly convinced this is rubbish and I definitely wouldn't play it main.
If I'm trying to be positive, it could possibly be useful against hymn decks and miracles as a sideboard option...perhaps if you don't want to play leylines.
I am quite sceptical about running this card main deck. However it is definitely to be tested in the sideboard (imo opening post list -1 noxious). The fact that you only have intuition as a set up spell to wish for (+ charm cycling) is a weak point for the deck, both because it is mana hungry and because you may need to wish for that intuition in the combo process (most of the time because you pacted more than you can pay for so eladamri's call isn't an option).
The best option we had was careful consideration so far. With this card it's possible to wish with three islands in play and the turn after go dig through time, city of traitors, show and tell the combo.
Given the metagame with not much discard we are experiencing, I would have probably played without leylinex1 main if I was using the deck currently. But if I want to test this card I guess I'll have to keep the leyline.
Ps: it also gives you outs on some dream halls set ups or facing oring/ashen rider etc... without running firemind's foresight (+quicken eventually).
Well when it's put that way, how can I say no?
I'll take a 7 card dig off of a Cunning Wish with a bad trigger on the stack any day of the week. That's all I was getting with Impulse anyway, and this is easier on the slots.
It's a small improvement, but I'll take it.
Would Careful study over preordain work to fuel the Dig Through Time? Maybe even Ideas Unbound?
You'd probably play thought scour and mental note before these. But any of those 4 making bad card selection or card disadvantage can't justify enough the delve cards, they are too bad.
Are you working maybe on the new list which involves the new cards :)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lejay
I'm testing Dig Through Time in 2x main (for -2 Gitaxian Probe) and 1x sideboard. What i can say so far is that's really awesome versus discard decks cause even if they disrupted your hand you topdeck this card or wish for it and you have a good % to be ready to combo again. My early feeling is that this card may be better against discard decks than Leyline of Sanctity, which i never liked through and through and always thought about it like a lesser evil for our deck.
I'm not sure about the 2x main, more testing of course is needed but i can say for sure that the 1x sideboard is here to stay.
The card is indeed really powerful and REALLY EASY to cast in our deck so i suggest you omnitell player to start to test it too.
It seems like a better idea every time I think about it.
I mean, we can cast it pretty reliably. We don't rely on the graveyard for anything else. Discard spells are a serious problem for the deck, to the extent that Leyline of Sanctity was necessary to fight it and I often wound up in a quandary picking between my Leylines and counterspells.
If Dig Through Time really works against discard, that would be great: it'll work on that pile of countered spells in my graveyard as well. Perhaps it could replace the MD Intuition, if anyone is still running that?
Not a terrible spell to cast off a SnT --> Omniscience, either.
What baffles me that people are more willing to try this card because it's good against discard, when Jace has been sitting in the corner just waiting to get picked. He's just as good, if not better against hymn, and is more versatile
Jace always costs 4. Dig Through Time costs 2-3 a very realistic amount of the time. I've been testing 2-handed against a BUG Delver build with Treasure Cruise (and I've been keeping track, Treasure Cruise if anything has helped Delver). So far Dig Through Time is very good. The few games BUG won were double Hymn into Lili-lock or just keeping a hand that didn't do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4thHorsemanOfSleaze
Also, this is not a replacement for Probe. If anything, it's a replacement for Preordain. I'm not sold on whether the Intuition in the board can be cut, but my thought is yes.
Benn thinking about it for this exact problem as well. The thing is: If I can just Stifle/Squelch/... the trigger, why would I run another tutor? And what do I want to find with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lormador
Regarding running it main: I haven't tried it yet, still I don't feel too excited about it...It needs setup and on turns 3-5 I'd rather win than go on digging with a card I might or might not be able to reliably cast. I feel simple cantrips being better for this role, as I can always cast them, even if I only have one blue mana available or don't have enough cards in my graveyard.
I will give it a try though.
I see this one only in side maybe 2-3 copies and only against heavy discard decks like BUG. It's pointless to run it main imo and it could replace leylines only
In the circumstance that passing the turn is undesirable, as I'd need to do if Cunning Wish were my only business (or my only card) past the Show --> Omniscience. In the past I'd have had to Wish for Firemind's Foresight, Foresight for Wish, Impulse, Brainstorm, Wish for my Trickbind and proceed to Impulse + Brainstorm for further action.Quote:
Originally Posted by dune2k
It doesn't happen that much, but I like being prepared for the eventuality. It would be great if I might do so without junking up my MD with those cards AND save SB space for discard fights.
Obviously if you can win then do that. When you go off turns 3-5, it's not uncommon for Ponder to be fodder for Dream Halls. But it's very reliably castable and it's pretty much the best for refueling after trying to go off. Also when you have Dream Halls in play but no win, Dig Through Time likely will find you the win and a card to cast it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dune2k
a) why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragdoll
b) have you tested it?
a) We already have everything we need, there is no need for additional heavy cost card like this one main. Leyline is too random plus uncastable for us and this one will propably help to rebuild after getting discarded multiple times
b) Not yet, I'm going to start testing from tomorrow