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D&T is NOT a paradigm for consistency. You're getting screwed/flooded often enough and that's why it's a on/off deck in the DTB since it lacks consistency. After all, the only manipulation tool it runs is SFM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
D&T performs somewhat well despite being inconsistent because it's equipped to do well against most blue decks - which make up a majority of the field.
Heya Barook. I think we can view consistency in several ways. On the one hand I will agree with you that D&T has little-to-no way of filtering in order to more consistently find specific solution cards when it needs them. And it will sometimes get punished for this. But on the other hand it addresses this by running many interchangeable parts. Ie. many of its cards do some variation of the same thing, namely tax the opponents' mana and/or activated abilities. So, in many circumstances drawing a Phyrexian Revoker to name Deathrite Shaman can be replaced by drawing a Swords to Plowshares or a Wasteland or a Port, or a Thalia. That is also a kind of consistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
And here you discribe a siuation which is at miss. Tournements or so called long events are event for competetive driven people. That are events were people gather to claim victory about their foes in the most effective way they can think off. This is not a place were you can go and think hmm this suboptimal deck will kill them all and complain afterwards how broken their tech was and how dominant brainstorm is. Participating in a tournement demands the right mindset and what you discribe is the wrong one. Because you donīt want to play your deck you want to show your skills andQuote:
Zombie
Everyone wants strong decks. But people enjoy different things. Atm playing Brainstorm or Elves is the best thing to be doing. I can be happy in a selfish way with this because those other things of Elves are what I enjoy and I can enjoy those other extra things of some blue decks. But not everyone does. You probably do not want to turn midrange kavus sideways, nor do Carsten and Lemnear and others. But some people really like that other stuff and don't like the feeling that comes from playing Brainstorm. But right now it's Brainstorm, Elves, go home if you're 100% serious and especially when playing a long event, so they end up having less fun by trying their best to compete or end up having less fun because they are less competitive with a nonblue non-Elves deck.
claim victory with this. This means which deck you play is totaly unimportant as long as it is the best deck for you(that means the competetive deck you can play the best).
Yeah I know there are people who donīt like the current meta but you have the option either to play at the kitchen table or local stores were you can limit the card acess or you sit down and try to find a way to beat brainstorm. For reference there are decks which do this and I am sure you can invent more because legacies card pool is so fucking big.
What a brainstorm do?
- Draw card and activate on draw effects
- fix hand, removing woods
- gives you the opportunity to keep a suboptimal starting hand because Brainstorm let u choose between 3 more cards
- protect your hands from duress and others
- you can dig your deck to search for something, at least another dig effect
- removes the cons of playing high ccost cards, you can have more in your deck, because brainstorm simply move it out from your hand
which are cons of brainstorm?
- for 2 times you already know your topdeck
Are this cons very bad?
No, fetchlands gives a fantastic interaction with this "cons"
So is so simple to understand that what TAO wrote some pages ago is the simply truth. Brainstorm is overpowered because cancel by itself his own cons, and cons of playing deck with woods.
You can play s&t because brainstorm fix your hand removing wood cards.
You can flip delver easily, can miracle better, can dig for a solution, and if something is bad, well, lets ponder and do it again.
I know that Legacy is funny because you can play overpowered cards, i'm an old T1 player here in Italy, but consider what is happening to Legacy, now we have 3+1 decks that are tier 1
3 of them plays blue shells
3 of them plays Brainstorm
2 of them plays brainstorm+ponder and 2 plays brainstorm+ top
Elves don't play blue cards.
is Brainstorm the overpowered card.
I'm really starting to hate seeing the argument of "Brainstorm is OP because it turns bad hands into good hands". If your hand was easily fixed by Brainstorm, it probably wasn't a bad hand, it likely was just a good/ok hand because it had a powerful card(s) in it. Every deck has certain powerful cards that make a hand worth keeping (DRS, Tutor, SnT, NO, Chalice w/e) so the idea that your hand is terrible when it has a powerful card in it is a massive conflation of the issue.
By that logic, DRS is OP because it lets you keep "bad hands" without enough land, or Rituals are OP because they let you play "bad" haymakers with high CMC. We build our decks with the cards we include in mind, and play as such, to put it simply: I don't put cards in my deck to not draw them. If Brainstorm was banned, I would just keep on some other criterion of playable card, because good cards make a hand good/playable.
Speculators seam to be betting on a Survival unbanning. The price of the card is increasing. What do people think, likely to see itself off the list?
The only reason to believe that would the the Community Cup Survival promo in conjunction with December's MOCS promo Vengevine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
While possible, Wizards has their heads too deep buried in their asses to do anything about that. The promos are likely just a coincidence because Mike Turian sucks at his job so goddamn much.
I think that's a real possibility, a few cards coming off the ban list, Survival could be one. At the same time, Brainstorm getting the banhammer, retain Ponder and Treasure Cruise, see how everything goes from there.
Serum Visions is next in hierarchy and can easily fill any void. Ponder > Preordain > Serum Visions.
I hate Visions, I would rather use Opt over it.
That was used be a hell of a change though.
"Prisoner exchange"-style of bans/unbannings is certainly something Wizards would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by death
Although, if they went for this, I would rather put them on the "Fuck the data, let's ban TC instead."-route.
I really like the new DTB section with five decks, four blue Brainstorm piles, one green. It makes everything much more predictable, easier to understand and requires very little effort in metagaming.
The joy of playing, however...
I'm intrigued by the fact that Bitterblossom's price suddenly rose two weeks before its Modern unbanning announcement, and Survival of the Fittest's price has taken a similar dramatic jump two weeks before the next Banned List announcement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
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Originally Posted by LOLWut
There should be other cards ready for unbanning before survival gets unbanned
The Wizards behind the curtain don't seem to unban for reasons of just innocuousness, though. They seem to unban cards that they think are fine AND that tons of people are clamoring for. I don't care about Modern, but my impression was that there were bigger jokes on the list than Bitterblossom and Wild Nacatl, but those were the ones that people wanted more.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Oh damn, the exact same two-week-before spike happened before Burning Wish was unrestricted in Vintage. Maybe the leak really is on.
It's probably just speculation though.
My bet is on speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOLWut
"Hey, look, the price is rising!"
"Yeah, they're totally going to unban Survival - buy! Buy! BUY!"
Although I'd like the shake-up Dice_Box suggested - Brainstorm on the list, Survival off the list.
Let's be honest here though- earthcraft is probably safer than survival. If it makes elves the best deck in the format, then at least a non- blue deck is the best deck in the format.
Did survival decks play brainstorm? They probably would now right? To fix awkward draws from hands with survival targets and no survival?
7/8 BS in the SCG Legacy event. Everything is still looking diverse and awesome.
Are people still using "% blue" as criteria?
Anyways, first off, stop saying brainstorm deck vs nonbrainstorm deck. A lot of brainstorm decks are nothing alike. But i'll humor you if you want to group them together. Let me ask this: is it REALLY that much better than decks that do not run brainstorm or is it just mildly better but people just like playing them. If a tournament has 100 people and 80% of the people play a deck with brainstorm, 20% play decks without brainstorm and the top 10 us 8 brainstorm decks and 2 nonbrainstorm decks, then I don't see what the problem is. Like, let's be honest. A blue deck isn't going to shit on a nonblue deck all the time. Good pilots of nonblue decks do really well against blue decks. It's just that a lot of people want the ease of playing blue, especially since blue decks are easy to take apart and build into other decks.
Also, everyone wants to play their pet decks but have you thought that maybe for some people, their pet decks include brainstorm?
If for some reason, starting in 2015, everyone decided that red was their pet color and everyone wanted to play burn and Lightning Bolt became 70% of the field, and people started playing maindeck hydroblasts, would we be crying as much?
People don't play blue b/c it's their pet deck. They play blue because they want to win. Get real.
Brainstorm decks are significantly better. And it's not close.
Grouping Bant and Storm as the same deck is absolutely ridiculous. How many times does that have to be pointed out before you stop trying to say it like it's a worthwhile thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by testing32