Ok, I'm sure it's discussed in here somewhere - but why no vial?
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Ok, I'm sure it's discussed in here somewhere - but why no vial?
Mostly because it just doesn't help us. Generally, people counter the pump, not the creatures, and we have more creatures than they have counter (generally) anyway. Also, playing them at instant-speed doesn't matter much.
Besides, we don't have the type of deck where Vial can be used effectively. Take, for example, Goblins. Goblins have reasons why they don't want to use their land each turn (Wasteland, Rishidan Port), have ways of getting more dudes to Vial in (Goblin Ringleader), and have a nice smooth curve to play with.
Last week i finish 8th on 51 players.
I played this liste:
2 forest
3 savannah
2 taiga
1 plateau
4 windsept heart
4 wooded
4 esg
4 noble hierarch
4 nacatl
4 qasali
4 tarmogoyf
4 kavu predator
4 stp
4 rancor
3 vov
4 invigorate
4 berserk
1 fling
SB:
4 shusher
3 gaddok teeg
3 nature's claim
3 seeds of innocence
2 jitte
Now, i test the new tutor, green sun zenith:
-1 plateau
-4 esg
-1 qasali
+4 tutor
+1 dryad arbor
+1 green fetch
SB:
-1 shusher
-2 jitte
+1 vov
+2 fiery justice
Last week i finish 8th on 51 players.
I played this liste:
2 forest
3 savannah
2 taiga
1 plateau
4 windsept heart
4 wooded
4 esg
4 noble hierarch
4 nacatl
4 qasali
4 tarmogoyf
4 kavu predator
4 stp
4 rancor
3 vov
4 invigorate
4 berserk
1 fling
SB:
4 shusher
3 gaddok teeg
3 nature's claim
3 seeds of innocence
2 jitte
Now, i test the new tutor, green sun zenith:
-1 plateau
-4 esg
-1 qasali
+4 tutor
+1 dryad arbor
+1 green fetch
SB:
-1 shusher
-2 jitte
+1 vov
+2 fiery justice
Nice to see you around The Source, Bok!Quote:
Originally Posted by bokwinkle
Short answer: it doesn't fulfill what B-Stompy needs. If it's not a land/mana source, it needs to be a dude. If it's not a dude, it needs to be a pump spell. Plain and simple. You need anywhere from 5-6 cards to actually 'combo out' and win...if you need counterspell protection, Vexing Shusher is your go-to out of the sideboard.
does anyone had tried using
BOB as his engine for this deck?
It warrants testing I suppose.
Has anyone considered running a more traditional Winter Orb-based stumpy deck that uses Berserk? It seems like it would make us less relyant on Berserk. Of course, it would weaken our aggro matchup greatly, considering that their creatures would be plain better than ours.
Been getting some pretty consistent turn 3-4 kills off of this:
Land: 18
16 Forest
2 Tranquil Thicket
Creatures: 18
4 Skarrgan Pit-Skulk
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Slippery Bogle
4 Kavu Predator
2 Elvish Spirit Guide
Spells: 24
4 Berserk
4 Might of Old Krosa
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
3 Seal of Strength
2 Sylvan Library
3 Vines of Vastwood
Sideboard: 15
4 Tormod's Crypt
4 Gleeful Sabotage
4 Mindbreak Trap
3 Vexing Shusher
It's probably not the list though. It's more likely the fact that I've gotten the groove of the deck.
What do you guys think about using Green Sun's Zenith?
Have 12 or 16 creatures and 4 GSZ to tutor up what you need. I would basically use them as Ledgewalker 5-8 unless I needed Kavu Predator for some reason.
It seems legit, and I will probably test it. It always sucks to not have Kavu when you have Invigorate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zalren
hmmmm im currently tweaking this list:
4 rogue elephant
4 seth tiger
4 harvest wurm
4 llanowar elves
3 scryb ranger
3 spectral bears
4 rancor
4 berserk
4 monsterous growth
4 vines of vastwood
4 seal of strength
16 forest
2 G_forest
I cannot say enough just how much Scythe Tiger sucks. Reasons can be noted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by paeng4983
Ok, this thread is pretty sunk, but I'm still keeping it up-to-date.
My current stable version is this one:
//M-m-m-m-m-mainnn Deck
17 Forest
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Skarrgan Pit-skulk
3 Jungle Lion
2 Scryb Sprites
4 Kavu Predator
4 Silhana Ledgewalker
2 Sylvan Library
4 Berserk
4 Rancor
4 Invigorate
4 Seal of Strength
4 Giant Growth
//Siiiiiiiiidebooooarders, go for it!
SB: 3 Gleeful Sabotage
SB: 2 Reverent Silence
SB: 3 Tormod's Crypt
SB: 3 Winter Orb
SB: 4 Mindbreak Trap
I removed bogle. I don't think I'm going back to Bogle anytime soon, these 2/x swarms are too good.
Also, Lion over Elite: "granted 2/1" has been better than "most of the time 2/3", because when not 2/, Elite really pisses. But easily replaceable by Elite or Tattermunge if you prefer.
Sylvan as 2-of is a Beast, IMO. Play it.
My conclusions also are that Seal is the 4th best pump available, better than MoOK, better than Growth. He's just too good when he's virtually free by Berserk time, and good enough any other time. Play 4.
I'm using Growth over Might because of Tarmogoyf -- 2/x +3/+3 is most of the time enough to go through him. Also, growthing after block step is common now that I can do that.
Sideboard is rather simple:
4 Mindbreak to fight most combo while we try to rush them;
3 Tormods against ichorid, which is enough because of the strength Berserk has in this match (Tip: don't side out pumps);
2 Reverent against Enchantress;
3 Gleeful Sabotage, the swiss army knife, that isn't Nature's Claim only because of Chalice.decks;
3 Winter Orb -- The "new" tech is Winter Orb. It's good against control decks, Black and Blue ones generally, and I'm testing it to some success right now. I'm still up to further tests with Reverent+Orb against CB+Top, without Gleeful.
Well, these are my main mods, it looks a lot like other versions of mine, but I guarantee it's more balanced and faster than before.
I got really good games with it, including against bad matches like black.
I advise you, Monogreen Berserk fan, to test this list.
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Gui
@Gui: Do you sometimes bring the deck to tournaments? If so, how does it compete these days? If you don't mind, a small tournament report (perhaps just notes) could be entertaining. I've always been a bistading fan of this deck, but I'm too cheap to buy Berserks because of thier limited useablility.
No... I'd like to, but I live far from cities running tourneys here, and they are not regular. I tend to bring other decks on these... But I'm willing to take it as soon as I get a chance (reason why I keep it up-to-date). The list above is playtested mostly against friends here and internet buddies.Quote:
Originally Posted by NesretepNoj
I reckon everything is more expensive now, Berserk included... probably another reason for it not being played lately... =/
@Gui: Have you not been happy with 1-2 cycle lands?
No. Don't play any land with CiPT, it will slow you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by boneclub24
Ok, so now that Gui has finally decided to drop Boggle, I think I will also test some more powerful lists not running him and see how it works.
I've also realized though that you also don't run Vines of Vastwood, maybe a meta call? Your friend don't use removal? I think at least Vines would be needed.
My problem right now, is that my other deck is Combo Elves, and they are So strong lately. http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/bus...%20San%20Pedro
We were the 14th deck with most top8 last month, and the 9th deck in January ^^
What I'm saying is that I would be testing more Stompy is Elves weren't so strong right now...
Anyway, I am a monogreen fanatic. Other than Elves, Berserk Stompy and Monogreen Chalice, do you guys know any other good monogreen decks ?
Gui and I have been testing a Berserk-less build with moderate success as well.You can also run Aggro NO Elves.Quote:
Originally Posted by NihilObstat
Banner looks fancy Gui, but be sure to give that guy I linked you to credit :)