That was me with a friend of mine (rabrab). HoneyT did a lot for popularizing and helped in optimizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
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That was me with a friend of mine (rabrab). HoneyT did a lot for popularizing and helped in optimizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Tasigur is great in this deck. Mid- to lategame it´s one of the very few that can most of the time utilize his ability without timewalking itself, and early on he´s a great body to attack with. So far in testing he´s been amazing for me. Keep in mind, that with Ooze/ Shaman in play you kinda get to select which card you get back. I highly recommend you try him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by thotcrime
I did a lot of playtesting with Durward's RockFit against my roommate's MUD. Wow what a tough match. A few notes:
Titania is awesome. The card is essentially guaranteed to give you 10 power. Has anyone tried this in Punishing?
Opening hands with Hymn, Therapy, Vet is gg. Such absurd disruption. I'm not sure if this is quite good enough to give up Red however.
If I could jam Hymn into Punishing NicFit, I would absolutely play it.
I don't know about Hymn, it is probably to random to be good. Plus space is tight, there is nothing in a PFire list that i want to replace for Hymn.Quote:
Originally Posted by thotcrime
Titania is pretty cool. I have seen her in action in Sylvan Plug.dec but that list was missing a sac outlet for lands to get a kill in 1 turn. Sylvan Safekeeper could be an option on that regard.
Fetchlands trigger her ability too. Titania ETB, bring Verdant Catacombs to play, sac it to create a 5/3 and fix mana. It's a fucking silly card
Thats just for one token, wouldnt it be even more sic to sac 3+ lands to safekeeper eot, untap and attack for lethal?Quote:
Originally Posted by thotcrime
Fuck yeah it would be, but Titania with 1 token still represents a 2 turn clock. Paired with Punishing Fire, I feel like this could make a nasty win condition. Not sure what deck to play tonight! Damn you Caleb Durward
I was gonna give your list a try, but what did you cut for the 2 Tassigur from this:Quote:
Originally Posted by venice
MAIN DECK:
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Eternal Witness
1 Kitchen Finks
1 Thragtusk
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
1 Grave Titan
1 Primeval Titan
[13]
3 Liliana of the Veil
[3]
3 Sensei's Divining Top
[3]
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Abrupt Decay
3 Hymn to Tourach
1 Maelstorm Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
[19]
2 Scrubland
1 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Forest
4 Swamp
[22]
SIDEBOARD:
3 Containment Priest
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Extirpate / Thoughtseize
2 Enginered Plague
2 Golgari Charm
2 Disfigure
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Hymn to Tourach
[15]
Regarding your list it would be -1 Finks, -1 Top.Quote:
Originally Posted by GhostEmpire
I'll be in Indy rocking the stoneforge fit list., if anyone else is going.
Just a quick question. So I'll be graduating, fucking finally, in May and as a present to myself I thought of buying into Legacy. I've played Modern since the beginning, but its boring. So of all the decks Nic Fit is one that I like and can afford. Plus its something where I would like to start.
I'm looking at Durward's list as a starting point and eventually moving into a GBW list once I don't have to buy books and stuff. Question is, is that a good starting point for Legacy? I'm not much of a blue player so starting to build a GB shell sounds like a good idea to me.
Depends on your playstyle. This is a midrange control deck (combo if you count Scape) that often plays pretty fair. If you're looking for fast games, or have any doubts that you'll enjoy having many of your games go long, NicFit might not be for you. If you're into toolboxing, wrecking other fair decks, making people discard and playing fat creatures then I have no doubt you'll love the deck regardless of the color configuration. It's not really possible to say which is the strongest version of NicFit, but the blue lists have a much better game against combo IMO. People on this forum will say that combo isn't so bad, then list x cards and say they wreck combo, but in practice it's significantly more challenging to come out ahead even with decent knowledge of your metagame. Jund lists have REB/Slaughter Games, Junk has Teeg, BUG obviously has FoW, and all have a slew of discard. Knowing your meta would greatly inform the version of NicFit you'll want to play.
I also brewed a little bit with Tasigur (and still try to find a home for titania) and ended up with this sketch:
// Deck: BUG Fit Legends (60)
// Lands
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Island
2 Swamp
2 Forest
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Polluted Delta
2 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Karakas
// Creatures
4 Baleful Strix
3 Deathrite Shaman
3 Veteran Explorer
2 Glen Elendra Archmage
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Tasigur, the Golden Fang
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
// Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Force of Will
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Pernicious Deed
// Sideboard
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 2 Obstinate Baloth
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 1 Venser, Shaper Savant
The stuff is tailored to fight the current meta game. Glen Elendra Archmage alone can be a nightmare for Miracle, combined with Deeds, Clique, Countermagic & Discard and a game plan that doesnt auto-lose to Counterbalance it shouldn't be a worst matchup.
Against BUG Titania and/or Tasigur ar nearly unbeatable itself, Strix can hold defend against any Non-TNN Stuff until our Decays and/or Deeds clear the way.
What i generally like at Tasigur, he isn't a real 6drop because in a right shell (lots of fetches + spells) he can be a 1-mana Gofy, which is immune to Decay (and Deed!) and with the common Nic Fit ramp you can also cast him easily for more Mana if needed - so he doesn't feel "Clunky" like other 6drops (sure a titan has more raw power). His Ability seems useable as a manasink in a (BUG) Nic Fit Shell.
Karakas is the only colorless land (but i think about Stronghold), which works nice with Clique, Titania and Tasigur (and Venser at Side) - the biggest upside is the ability to fight Sneak&Show; Reanimator etc. Game 1.
As you can see, unlike most other Nic Fit shells, this BUG version combines a lot of combo hate (also maindeck Force!), which leads to the discussion we hat a while ago: "play a deck with Force of Will at a big tournament to avoid any auto-lose" - i still think you can get some nice Top8 results without blue, but outside of BUG-Pod Nic Fit with blue isn't explored yet, because most builds tends to use the common Jund or Junk colors/builds.
Sideboard - only a quick brainstorm:
Additional fast Combo-Hate (Flusterstorm, Thoughtseize); a way to switch Archmage or Clique against Aggro or BUG (Obstinate Baloth - nice vs Hymn/Liliana), flexible solutions like Golgari Charm (Elves; D&T; Counterbalance etc.) and Pithing Needle (Sensei's Diving Top; Sneak Attack; Depths-Combo etc.)
So I played this at the local
4 faleful strix
4 shardless agents
4 deathright shaman
4 veteran explorer
3 tarmogoyf
1 progenetalia
1 ruric thar
3 abrupt decay
4 cabal therapy
4 natural order
3 force of will
4 brain storm
2 forest
2 island
2 swamp
2 bayou
3 tropical island
1 underground sea
4 misty rainforest
4 verdant catacombs
1 polluted delta
As much as like goyfs they die to almost everything that is not RUG, and went 3-1 and a top 4 split
Personally not a fan of Durward's list. Don't understand the hype. It is basically strictly worse at doing everything than the Punishing Fire version and his sideboard is garbage.
Also, Tasigur has been very very good in testing. It's been at its best for me in Junk lists, but in general it's just a very powerful card.
I dont understand the hype either its pretty much an updated evagreen list with some nicfit tech. I think its just catching attention from angry former modern pod players looking to jump into legacy.
Well 6-3 is good enough for day 2 at Indy. I'll be back tomorrow
I played Durward's list this past FNM, and while it definitely lacked the superior SB hate, its consistency was remarkable. I finished with a shitty 2-3, but my early plays were almost always devastating (if I mulled to the right hand which I'm pretty bad at doing). T1 Therapy followed by T2 Vet into Hymn happened more than once. That's a good fucking feeling. But I'll be honest, I missed Punishing Fire when I had a delver beating me down and a DRS stealing my cards, and wished I had StP while staring down 2 Tarmogoyf.
Also, Titania fanboy. Love this card.
Durward's list is exciting to me because it boasts a pretty solid combo matchup game 1, possibly the best feeling combo matchup out of any variant I have ever played (I have not played a version with Force of Will yet).
I am also a Punishing Jund player so it feels similar in the discard department (ironically Punishing Nic Fit feels less like Punishing Jund in this regard).
Ok, I need someone to tell me this is a bad idea before I actually try it and crash and burn miserably.
BUG Fit with Fact or Fiction and Dig Through Time.
Eh? Eh?