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Originally Posted by Cidolfus
i am going to run this homebrew next week. any advices are welcome.
(but i prefer comments like: wow. insane tech)
my take on B/G has gotten some fresh blood from Zendikar obviously and first i wanted to squeeze in Hexmage/Dark Depths too, but i am not convinced right now. have a look yourself:
Critters (18):
4xTarmogoyf
4xConfidant
4xVampire Nighthawk (Removal, Evasion, Lifegain. its the swiss army knife. i like him a lot)
3xGatekeeper of Malakir (Removal on a stick. basically card advantage, as you get a critter and remove one of theirs. you may even target yourself versus Dredge to remove bridges)
3xNantuko Shade
Spells(21)
4xDark Ritual
4xSinkhole
4xHymn to Tourach
4xThoughtseize
2xUmezawas Jitte (equip on Nighthawk, enjoy)
3xMaelstrom Pulse
Manabase(21)
usual distribution with new G/B Zendikar Fetchlands and one additional forest
Sideboard:
3xLeyline otV
3xChoke
3xE.Plague
3xPerish
not sold on the remaining slots
@ Cidolfus and lorddotm
I really like that list. I'd cut 1 Maelstrom for 1 basic Forest, but other than that... really nice build.
I went to the dual for duals tourney in vestal this saturday. got top 8 with my deck:
spells:
thoughtsieze x4
sinkhole x4
darkritual x4
snuff out x2
hymn to tourach x4
maelstrom pulse x3
creatures:
gatekeeper of malakir x3
tombstalker x4
tarmogoyf x4
hypnotic specter x4
nantukoshade x2
land
polluted delta x4
bayou x3
wasteland x4
verdiant catacombs x4
swamp x5
forest x1
just wanna say the whole forest thing sucked always needed it to be a swamp in anything cut a fetch for forest. probably not going to run forest again wastelands not too big of a deal. Also gatekeeper is the man so good won me tons of games best addition of the deck thus far
That's funny, I really liked the Forest when I ran it at my last tourney. It's cool against PoP, as protection against Wasteland and Blood Moon effects (if you see them coming).
In extensive testing, this deck has been amazing for me. I feel like Eva Green is coming to the next level, and with a few small pushes could easily be brought to solid Tier 1 status. Drawing from many of the ideas in this thread, here is my current list:
// Lands
4 [TE] Wasteland
4 [10E] Swamp (3)
4 [ON] Bloodstained Mire
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [U] Bayou
// Creatures
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [FUT] Tombstalker
4 [TO] Nantuko Shade
4 [ZEN] Bloodghast
3 [ZEN] Gatekeeper of Malakir
// Spells
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [AT] Hymn to Tourach
4 [A] Sinkhole
4 [4E] Dark Ritual
3 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
2 [MM] Snuff Out
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [GP] Leyline of the Void
SB: 3 [AP] Pernicious Deed
SB: 3 [UL] Engineered Plague
SB: 3 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [8E] Choke
Going into the testing, I knew that Gatekeeper was the real deal, and definitely playable. I was less sure about Bloodghast, especially in a "balls-to-the-wall" deck like this. So far, it has been far more than just "cute" and definitely wins tons of games. Bloodghast gives the kind of broken inevitability that this deck has always needed, turning top-decked lands into a new army of dudes and more beats to the face. It also enables superior cards like Deed which seem designed to clear the field for angry hasty Ghasts back off a popped fetchland.
I think there are still a few issues with this list, however. Pulse has been mediocre to good, overall playable but not too exciting. I'm not sure it needs to be. Snuff Out feels like a relic from the old version of the deck, not enough copies to be effective, and the high life cost seems to go against the new "long game" mentality that Bloodghast brings to the deck.
Thoughts/Suggestions? Give this deck a try, and see for yourself the power that the new creature base brings... you will love it, I promise.
Why not 2 reanimate in Pulse slot?
You're dropping Hypnotic Specter? For that? I think Hypnotic Specter is way better at the long game than Bloodghast. Keeping your opponent in topdeck mode is essential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Cyrus
I think you mean the Snuff Out slot. This seems like a fairly good idea, I might also consider Animate Dead or Smother. I've also been thinking more and more about maindecking some Pernicious Deeds since they play so damn well with Tombstalker and Bloodghast.Quote:
Originally Posted by kikkofrio
@Skeggi
Don't get me wrong, i really like my Hyppies. I wouldn't own 4 if I didn't. However I think you may be looking at this from the wrong angle. When I played Hyppies, they were good at locking the opponent into topdeck mode - sometimes. More often they ate some removal and I didn't get more that 1 swing at the most.
Bloodghast does something different. He improves YOUR topdeck mode by turning every otherwise useless land drop into creatures on the board, ready to swing. He laughs at WoG, Deed and Explosives all day long. Sure, he can eat a Plowshare like any other creature in this deck, but think about it - that is the best removal spell in the format, and you forced your opponent to use it on a 2/1 creature (!!). During my playtests this has happened shockingly often; Bloodghast eats a sword or Path, and consequently Tombstalker or Tarmo gets away free to win the game. In my mind, that proves just how broken these guys really are.
If you are in a combo or landstill-heavy meta, hyppie might still be the better call. However I will continue to play Bloodghast as I find him to be incredibly useful as a must-answer 2 drop against all sorts of decks. If you haven't tried him yet, give it a shot. I think you will be surprised by the results.
I like what Bloodghast brings to the table, but did you not miss Bob or any other sort of more active card advantage?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Cyrus
Also, what's your game plan against Zoo? I typically run Jitte for that, but it's been hit or miss for me. Pernicious Deed is nice (possibly my favorite card ever), but it strikes me as being too easy to play around if you don't have a Tombstalker down.
Hey Ya’ll
So, I have been working with Eva Green since it first debuted and have played a lot of different versions. I am currently thinking of changing the way I play this, by moving away from the LD side of the deck and making some changes. So far, I am looking at a couple of configurations, and was hoping you guys would help me out a little!
Right, looking at my first configuration, I am thinking of dropping Sinkhole for Pernicious Deed in the MD. I have also dropped Nantuko Shade, as I want to be using my mana late game, and I know all the arguments against this, but it is a preference thing. I feel Gatekeeper of Malakir is a really nice bit of removal, but not a great beater, so for now he is a 4 of, but not more. I have also dropped a Hyppie, as I feel they aren’t as strong in my meta.
Eva Green v1.1
Lands - 20
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacomb
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Bayou
3 Wasteland
5 Swamp
Creatures - 19
4 Tombstalker
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Vampire Nighthawk
3 Hypnotic Specter
Artifacts - 2
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
Instants - 7
4 Dark Ritual
2 Snuff Out
2 Smother
Enchantments - 4
3 Pernicious Deed
Sorceries - 8
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
Sideboard - 15
1 Pernicious Deed
4 Choke
3 Leyline of the Void
4 Engineered Plague
3 Krosan Grip
By moving the Deeds to the MD, I have had room to put the Leylines back into the SB. I am also thinking of running Diabolic Edict in the MD instead of Snuff Out but I am not sure, when I already have the Gatekeepers. Any ideas/criticisms are welcome and would be appreciated. I felt that the Deeds MD help against the Counter-Top matchup and lets me clear the way for my Tombstalker to beat face. Also, it really hurts Zoo and Merfolk game 1.
I am also messing with a build that is very different again. This one has Dark Confidant and Sensei’s Divining Top as well as some other changes. Please see below:
Eva Green v1.2
Lands - 20
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacomb
3 Bloodstained Mire
4 Bayou
3 Wasteland
5 Swamp
Creatures - 19
3 Tombstalker
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Gatekeeper of Malakir
4 Vampire Nighthawk
4 Dark Confidant
Artifacts - 4
4 Sensei’s Divining Top
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
Instants - 9
4 Dark Ritual
2 Snuff Out
3 Smother
Sorceries - 8
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
Sideboard - 15
4 Choke
4 Pernicious Deed
4 Engineered Plague
3 Krosan Grip
I have moved my Sweeper back to the Sideboard here and have chosen to ignore the Dredge matchup in hopes of either dodging it or just getting lucky! Once again, with this build, the Sinkholes have been dropped as have the Hyppies. I feel they are the weakest remaining card in the deck, and this allows me a much more aggressive build. I am nervous of running Tombstalker and Bob in the same deck, but the Tops should help with that. Thoughts/comments are also requested for this build too?
My buddy has similar lists to these two, but 1.2 is better IMHO. Only slight changes are really necessary to compare the two, like loosing a dual or swamp for the 4th Wasteland (wasteland is counted as a mana producing spell, to me) and moving three deeds main deck in lieu of one Top and the two Snuff Outs. Four Bobs is definitely the way to go. No questions. Leylines go back in the board, if your meta has a bit of ANT/Dredge/etc to worry about. Otherwise, the replaced Snuffs/top can sit on the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by yankeedave
I like these lists, and have also found that moving from the LD package has benefits.
I finished top 8 last Sunday at the Dutch Nationals, my run ended in the quarter final. 138 people attending.
I played the following list:
4 bayou
4 swamp
1 forest
4 verdant catacombs
2 bloodstained mire
2 polluted delta
4 wasteland
4 dark ritual
3 snuff out
4 sinkhole
4 thoughtseize
4 hymn to tourach
3 maelstrom pulse
4 tombstalker
4 vampire nighthawk
4 tarmogoyf
3 gatekeeper of malakir
2 umezawa's jitte
side
4 choke
4 engineered plague
4 leyline of the void
3 perish
Since the dutch meta shifted more and more away from blue infested decks the need for Hypnotic Specter became less and less. That is why I decided to replace them with the Vampire Nighthawk. The Lifegain saved my ass a couple of times as well as the Gatekeeper, which also saved a few matches for me.
The only thing that I want to change is probably the 3 Perish in the Side. I put them there because I was expecting a lot of Zoo and other green critters, but in the end I didn't encounter that at all. Thinking about replacing them with Extirpate's since they can be used more ways. (LD/HD/anti Combo)
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I'm new to Eva Green but really like the idea of land destruction within this build. Splashing white for vindicate in place of pulses seemed like the obvious choice for my preference. Has anyone had any success with this? I understand opening up white makes this look more like Rock, but I think the deck has lot more options with the vindicate. List I'm currently testing
4x Goyf
3x Tombstalker
4x Dark Confidant
4x Hypnotic Specter
3x Gatekeeper of Malakir
4x Dark Ritual
4x Thoughtseize
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Sink Hole
4x Vindicate
2x Smother
4x Wastland
3x Bayou
3x Scrubland
8x Fetches on color
2x Swamp
Insight? Thoughts? Suggestions?
If going white why dont use swords to plowshares instead of smother ?
i was thinking it makes better use of dark ritual
I'll have to disagree. I have found Maelstrom Pulse to be a saviour in many situations. Mostly against permanets sticking that can couse us alot of trouble i.e Counterbalance. We don't have any maindeck answer for Counterbalance if it resolves. Ofcourse this changes when we are able to get access to Krosan grip in the sideboard.Quote:
Vindicate is essentially the same as Maelstrom Pulse (which also sucks, but doesn't stretch the mana base by adding another color) and it's bad for the same reasons: it's slow as balls and it's not really worth its cost since you should ideally be playing a fat creature by turn 3.
Also against other decks playing black where Snuff Out is dead, it gives us a chance to hit their stalkers or other threats.
I do agree on it being slow. But i have found it to be good enough to maindeck.
I just won 18 players legacy tourney with following list.
Creatures (18)
x4 Tombstalker
x3 Gatekeeper of Malakir
x3 Vampire Nighthawk
x4 Tarmogoyf
x4 Bloodghast
Spells (22)
x4 Sinkhole
x4 Hymn to Tourach
x4 Thoughtseize
x4 Dark Ritual
x2 Snuff Out
x2 Maelstrom Pulse
x2 Umezawa's Jitte
Lands (20)
x1 Forest
x4 Swamp
x3 Bayou
x3 Polluted Delta
x1 Bloodstained Mire
x4 Verdant Catacombs
x4 Wasteland
We played 5 rounds swiss and i got record 5-0. I Won against deadguy ale, agro elf, mono red sligh, agro loam and tempo *****.
Jitte with bloodghast was hilarious. Alone win sligh game and 1 round against tempo ***** for me. Ghast got couple times pyroclasm etc but it just keeps going and goin and going....:tongue:
Nice decklist Schembo. I like the interaction between Bloodghast and Jitte. Were the numbers on Gatekeeper and Tombstalker good for you or would you cut one stalker for keeper? What was your SB? Post pls.
How do you guys handle the Dark Depth combo ? lost 1-2 to it yesterday. My only out to it is two Gatekeeper of Malakir or my discard. He was running a blue list with CB,Daze and FoW as protection. And also Dark Confidants.
EDIT: Is it worth bringing in EP naming vampires ?
Here is the list i have been running for some time now.
Creatures
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Nantuko Shade
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Tombstalker
2 Gatekeeper of Malakir
Spells
4 Thoughtseize
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Snuff Out
4 Dark Ritual
2 Umezawa's Jitte
Lands
4 Wasteland
2 Polluted Delta
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 marsh flats
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Bayou
5 Swamp
1 forest
Sideboard
3 Choke
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Engineered Plague
1 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Krosan Grip
1 Pernicious Deed
It was a crappy night overall. went 1-3. Lost round one to Ichorid 1-2 just to met the next Ichorid deck. Lost 1-2 there to. Then bye in third and lost to Marit Lage with 1-2. I should say i played Malakir in the last game but he had Daze on top with his CB and countered it. Just a bad night, i often Finish in the top 4 and there are about 14-24 people each week.
I've been thinking to skip the Deed and the third Jitte in the board for 2 extirpates, becouse graveyard based seems to pop up more and more and it can still be useful against other decks.Or maybe i'll Play Crypts,relics or 2 edicts or smother in those two slots.
I'm also starting to see more and more black decks and i hate when having Snuff Out as a dead card. Been thinking about Smother or Edict in its place but everytime i get this idea it's just bites be back for not being able to cast it for free.