Kewl.
DRS & Probe gone. The end of Cabal Therapy & Pyromancer. The real winner: Hoarders of Thoughtseizes. Heared it here first. ;)
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Kewl.
DRS & Probe gone. The end of Cabal Therapy & Pyromancer. The real winner: Hoarders of Thoughtseizes. Heared it here first. ;)
To be perfectly honest, I'm not too happy about probe going away, because it's yet more locking abilities into blue. But... I guess I see why.
It is funny, however, that you could easily replace the word "deathrite shaman" with "brainstorm" and their rationale for banning would be even stronger...
Lots of blue decks play brainstorm, every DRS deck started to look the same as time has passed since the top ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bithlord
Hehehe, Goblins is now actually playable. Prep for them lackeys!
Where' are my god damn Grave-Trolls at?!?!??!
Switching back to Manaless immediately.
Oh yea, let's ban all cards but the one that is truly dominating and warping the format.. Brainstorm...
oh, Sir, wait, can you provide that percentage for Brainstorm across multiple GPs, T8/16? DCI... what a joke.Quote:
At Grand Prix Birmingham, eleven of the top sixteen decks used four copies of Deathrite Shaman, including five of the Top 8
Thank god, at least the prices are good atm to sell out of legacy.. and Magic in general. Bunch of brain deads running the show and I've got too much money tied into this game for these monkeys to nuke it.
Sweet Jesus finally freedom. Of course I leave my lovely Legacy scene and move somewhere with no Legacy, but glad to see the format can change.
lol I think miracles might be the best deck in legacy again
Time to sell all the modern shit I've accrued while I've hated legacy
Now the graveyard is a playable place back again
Wow, they actually unloosed the Goose and Loam. Well fair decks, have fun fighting for your mana...oh and btw you need to run 4x Decay, 'cause there ain't no way miracles isn't going to 3-4 CB builds for those things. :tongue:
Not really, they even adressed that in the paragraph that begins with "While a card seeing lots of competitive play doesn't by itself necessitate action, ...".Quote:
Originally Posted by Bithlord
The DRS ban was long overdue and it should have been hit at the same time as Top got axed. Probe was a good ban as well, considering how universally hated this card was and how it reduced the skill of the format.
My prediction what might happen now: We're going to see a resurgence of strategies with a greater GY focus, both blue and non-blue.
What's actually going to happen: LOL SNAPCASTER
I guess you're joking, considering Brainstorm still exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
So many cards are good again.
Wasteland, here we go!
reanimator will go rampant with no maindeck grave hate and only counterspells to fight through which is not that hard, so.. on the plus side we might see Griselbrand banned.. but don't worry it will again take them at least two years to do anything.
Aaron Forsythe has flat out said brainstorm is broken and should be banned according to every metric they can come up with, but also that they will not ban it because it's a "pillar" of legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Miagi
This is truly shocking. I would have never expected them to ban both cards at the same time. Although I unconditionally support the Probe ban I'm not sure what to think of the DRS ban yet because after all it used to be a card which gave nonblue decks an opportunity to fight back in equal terms (although I'm aware it was mostly used in blue decks at this point). On the other hand, if we were honest, DRS is an inherently broken card which shouldn't exist in this way anyhow so why bother...
I'm a bit concerned that legacy might become a bit like Modern in terms of the frequency of bannings and r&d interventions because 3 bannings in 2 years is really unusual for legacy standards. i appreciate legacy for it's stability and long-term value of its card pool (among other things) and more and more bannings isn'T necessarily something I want for the future...
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Originally Posted by Cartesian
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Originally Posted by AaronForsythe
If anything, they take way too long to tackle obvious problems. Don't mistake WotC's lazyness and lack of giving fucks for good format management. Legacy is probably the worst managed format out of the main four (Standard, Modern, Legacy, Vintage) when it comes to B&R announcements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Erdvermampfa
Maybe White Eldrazi gets playable again. It eats Griselbrands for breakfast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Miagi
So which cards to we immediately switch to complaining about?
Loam. I don't call this shit much, but I am calling that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
It's gonna be Loam/Depths, Griselbrand, maybe TNN? Brainstorm is always a classic too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
GriselbrandQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
entomb im assuming
I just wish I knew this last week before I bought some FNM probes. It's not much but c'mon!
Someone at Wizards really hates Doomsday
I'll say Goblin Lackey. :tongue:
I'm pissed and super happy at the same time. What's this feeling called?
Both Shaman and Probe deserved this ban and the format has a chance to regrow. But now I don't get to play with them anymore.
Griselbrand. It's already begun here. I can also see people getting real sick of Counterbalance real quick if Miracles becomes tier 1 again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
Snapcaster gets better. I think Griselbrand or Dark Depths. Lands decks existed for years being fine before DRS. DD Stage combo pushed it over the edge
No prisoner exchange though...
#freenedleeds
And yet again I have to ask, why in good gravy is frantic search still banned? Come on prisoner exchange, take some under powered cards off the list.
You think that Therapy remains a staple for Storm and snapcaster shenanigans? I have my doubts and rather see Thoughtseize creeping into the spots the whole Probe/Pryomancer/Therapy had until today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I doubt fair blue decks will play Therapy anymore, but I still think storm plays it. They still have Duress to peek at the opponents hand and good storm players know what card they have to beat before they go off and Therapy is still good in those situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Indeed, that is the real tragedy here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
https://i.imgflip.com/2d9w7b.jpg
#freetop
#freenedleeds
Without Probe you lose 4 out of 7 ways to take a look at your opponents hand prior to casting Therapy. Given the meta is going to be the Wild West in the next weeks, you won't get far with blindcalling Therapies, especially as people will try out all the graveyard shenanigans DRS oppressed for years like Reanimator, Dredge and more in addition to everything ranging from Miracles to SnT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ephemeron
The value of Therapy is tied to your knowledge about the meta/field/decks/cards which one can't bank on in the next weeks. Thoughtseize is just removing all the guessing game and I think its absolutely worth the lifeloss right now.
I still think Banning Delver would do more to open up the format than anything else they could do.
Nuking Leovold and TNN would also be great.
EDIT: although to be honest Leovold probably took a pretty big hit with the DRS ban.
Or you name fow and then go offQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I think it was a mistake not to preemptively ban Griselbrand. The fact that Reanimator was able to reinvent itself in BR to go under Deathrite and still remained one of the scariest decks to play against in the format is a testament to the strategy's power. Without Deathrite, Reanimator will be able to return to the traditional UB, and face very little opposition in preboard games. I think Show and Tell gets better as well. Midrange decks will be slower and less capable of doing something else while holding mana up. With tempo and midrange decks likely splitting off into 3 colors again, more of the format will be cut off from Pyroblast.
All that being said, I think the new metagame promises to be a good one. There will be many flavors of 3 color midrange/control, including Miracles, Sultai, Grixis, and Stoneforge variants with their own strengths and weaknesses. RUG Delver will potentially be a viable deck in the format again, although Gurmag Angler might still just be the better Tarmogoyf nowadays. Reanimator and Sneak and Show will be good moving forward. Lands will have less Delver to prey on but should remain viable against the extant tempo and midrange decks, and Turbo Depths will continue doing its thing. Storm variants will be quite a bit slower and more all-in without Gitaxian Probe (especially with Cabal Therapy being more difficult to use), but ANT in particular will appreciate having cards sticking around in the graveyard for Past in Flames and Cabal Ritual. Elves seems to suffer pretty hard from the change, losing Deathrite itself and many good matchups making way for much worse ones. The Stompy decks will have to face much more streamlined mana bases and could be in a worse position moving forward. The success of D+T and Maverick is hard to predict, because their success is so predicated on the amount of Tempo decks there are relative to combo decks.