Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?

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11-25-2013, 08:07 PM
blindspotxxx

Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?

I just ordered my own playset but I have to agree it is a retarded design. And it just kills so many other archetypes
11-25-2013, 08:22 PM
bjholmes3

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lol, I could count the number of competitive archetypes "killed" by TNN on one amputated hand.
11-25-2013, 08:36 PM
mini1337s

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Originally Posted by bjholmes3

lol, I could count the number of competitive archetypes "killed" by TNN on one amputated hand.

So... 5? ;)
11-25-2013, 08:38 PM
Megadeus

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Originally Posted by mini1337s

So... 5? ;)

Technically it could be any number between 0 and 5 ;)
11-25-2013, 10:00 PM
dontbiteitholmes

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Originally Posted by MGB

Every deck had an "answer" to Survival of the Fittest and Mystical Tutor as well. That doesn't mean they were healthy for the format or added anything positive, and then were rightfully banned.

What answer did non-blue decks have to Mystical Tutor?

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Originally Posted by bjholmes3

lol, I could count the number of competitive archetypes "killed" by TNN on one amputated hand.

Yeah that's an interesting point, what decks are now invalidated by TNN that were real decks to begin with?
11-25-2013, 10:21 PM
Aggro_zombies

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

What answer did non-blue decks have to Mystical Tutor?

Lammastide Weave.
11-26-2013, 12:21 AM
kiblast

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

What answer did non-blue decks have to Mystical Tutor?

Surgical Extraction? After all, Mystical Tutor is card disadvantage, while on the other hand Extraction creates some sort of virtual card advantage…

Edit: Do you mean when Tutor was legal? Then I don't have a clue… Extirpate maybe.

Btw before seeing TNN gone, I'd like to see this kind of threads gone from the source.
11-26-2013, 12:50 AM
dontbiteitholmes

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Originally Posted by kiblast

Edit: Do you mean when Tutor was legal? Then I don't have a clue…

I know
11-26-2013, 12:55 AM
kiblast

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Originally Posted by dontbiteitholmes

I know

I see what you did there… well but I guess nobody can argue about that banning… I mean that call was not hard at all it was a no brainer.
11-26-2013, 01:02 AM
Moa

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Originally Posted by apple713

Its not banworthy but its poor design. It improved midranged decks which didnt really need help

This is what confuses me the most about the printing of the card. R&D decided to print a legacy playable card so they looked at the format and thought hey you know what could really use a good card midrange blue decks because they could really use some help.
11-26-2013, 04:53 AM
Dzra

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True-Name Nemesis is ass, but it isn't oppressive yet. If there comes a time when the only way anyone makes top 16 with a creature deck is by playing Nemesis then we can talk about bannings.
11-26-2013, 06:14 AM
JanoschEausH

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Originally Posted by Dzra

True-Name Nemesis is ass, but it isn't oppressive yet. If there comes a time when the only way anyone makes top 16 with a creature deck is by playing Nemesis then we can talk about bannings.

Which is what actually happened in the last big tournaments since TNN became legal... Decks making Top8 were mostly "Combo", "TNN" or e few exceptions like some DnT lists which are naturally good against TNN...
11-26-2013, 06:45 AM
Bed Decks Palyer

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Originally Posted by bjholmes3

I love this. Legacy is not the place for people who have the EDH play-weak-crap-but-still-try-to-secretly-win-through-not-"cheap"-"op"-"unfun"-shenanigans "Gentlemen" mindset.

Except that EDH is play-retarded-crap-but-still-try-to-force-other-people-to-play-weak-crap-that-doesn't-interfere-with-your-"cheap"-"op"-"unfun"-shenanigans. Every time someone tries to win in EDH, he's acting against da spirit of da format.
"Dude, Stone Rain is unfun and overpowered, if you wish to stay part of our community, refrain from using such cheap tactics that's against da spirit, ok? Fine. Now: Tooth and Nail into Kiki-Jiki/Titan."
11-26-2013, 06:56 AM
Kayradis

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the R&D team threw us a candy.
and here we are complaining about the fact that the card is overpowered and broken.
Isn't that a pre-requesite for a card to reach a playable format in legacy?
Instead of being whiny little bitches and complain about a card that seems to have found is place in a pretty elitist and selective format, let's just find way to beat it!

How could I, a non-blue player, find way to play and beat TNN decks in DC?
Let's just simply put our brains to good use for once.
11-26-2013, 07:41 AM
Scott

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

and here we are complaining about the fact that the card is overpowered and broken.

That's a poor description of the complaints about TNN. And for many, it's a representation of a larger issue. And, many of these people welcome more powerful and interesting cards entering and shaking up the format, and forcing people to use their brains.
11-26-2013, 08:20 AM
Shawon

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I actually don't want to see this guy gone, even if it is dominant. Any fair (non-combo) card making RUG less popular is welcome by me.

I'd still rather see Delver gone. Fuck that card.
11-26-2013, 01:25 PM
apple713

Re: Would you like to see True-Name Nemesis gone?

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Originally Posted by Kayradis

the R&D team threw us a candy.
and here we are complaining about the fact that the card is overpowered and broken.
Isn't that a pre-requesite for a card to reach a playable format in legacy?
Instead of being whiny little bitches and complain about a card that seems to have found is place in a pretty elitist and selective format, let's just find way to beat it!

How could I, a non-blue player, find way to play and beat TNN decks in DC?

Let's just simply put our brains to good use for once.

the candy in this case is a vomit flavored jelly bean. Terrible design and idea. Worst of all its blue.

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Originally Posted by Shawon

I actually don't want to see this guy gone, even if it is dominant. Any fair (non-combo) card making RUG less popular is welcome by me.

I'd still rather see Delver gone. Fuck that card.

The issue is that if you want to play aggro now, you are pretty much forced into blue. or i guess you could play DnT or goblins... so really just DnT. Why has blue become one of the best aggro colors, control colors, and combo colors....reallly WOTC? There motto should be "there is no color pie"
11-26-2013, 02:44 PM
Tormod

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Originally Posted by apple713

the candy in this case is a vomit flavored jelly bean. Terrible design and idea. Worst of all its blue.

Why are you complaining? You play Show and Tell, don't you just ignore this card?
11-26-2013, 03:11 PM
Star|Scream

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Originally Posted by apple713

the candy in this case is a vomit flavored jelly bean. Terrible design and idea. Worst of all its blue.

The issue is that if you want to play aggro now, you are pretty much forced into blue. or i guess you could play DnT or goblins... so really just DnT. Why has blue become one of the best aggro colors, control colors, and combo colors....reallly WOTC? There motto should be "there is no color pie"

The day before TNN became legal, exactly which non-blue "aggro" decks were consistently Tier 1? Aside from goblins and elves, I really don't remember there being any.
11-26-2013, 03:32 PM
testing32

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Originally Posted by Star|Scream

The day before TNN became legal, exactly which non-blue "aggro" decks were consistently Tier 1? Aside from goblins and elves, I really don't remember there being any.

People like to think that Maverick, Rock and Jund were/are competitive decks.

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