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Abrupt Decay only hits resolved LEDs and Petals. If ANT is playing out LEDs and Petals then either Jund is about to die or Jund has another turn to fire off their discard where they will still likely find plenty of relevant things to hit. Even holding Abrupt Decay for your LED on the table, I feel like spending their turn 2 casting Hymn or some combination of Deathrite, discard, and Wasteland is much more productive.
Looking at the most recent Jund list that I can find, http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=62548, I feel like their ideal sideboard would be the following:
+3 Pyroblast, +2 Duress, +2 Nihil Spellbomb, +2 Surgical Extraction
-4 Abrupt Decay, -3 Bloodbraid Elf, -1 Forest, -1 Maelstrom Pulse
Now, many Jund players aren't going to get exactly this, however, I would expect something close. Maybe they'll leave in an Abrupt Decay or two, but considering the amount of discard they have, I would probably still play into it every time.
Also, if they expect Empty the Warrens (for example you show them a Burning Wish), then perhaps they leave in the Pulse and bring in the Golgari Charm. Possibly they side out a couple Punishing Fire or a PFire and a Pyroblast in order to do this.
In any event, as Lemnear said, it seems unlikely that Dark Confidant will do much more than cantrip.
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Re: Top 4 Recap Soon
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southfloridamagic
Hey guys, Dave from
www.southfloridamagic.com here. I top 4'd SCG Orlando w/ ANT and will be doing a write up that goes live tomorrow, will cross post here. I've been reading the ANT thread for a while (mostly the old one) and would love to give some contribution since your guys' words have helped me.
Additionally, Thomas Hake (who got 2nd the same tournament) will be joining me for a live legacy tournament where we will both be commentating this Wednesday around 7:30pm EST. You can watch at
twitch.tv/southfloridamagic if you are into that sort of thing.
Congrats on the finish, Dave. Look forward to reading the report.
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BeardTron
Congrats on the finish, Dave. Look forward to reading the report.
Thanks BeardTron.
As promised, here is the Top 4 recap.
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southfloridamagic
Thanks BeardTron.
As promised, here is the
Top 4 recap.
Hey there David, many congrats on the fine performance, and thanks for the write up.
I have a comment/question:
You write at one point that against delver decks is where Xantid Swarm really shines. I'm quite intrigued by this. I like to bring in some number of swarms against most delver decks, even against RUG in spite of their bolts. I know, however, that some contingent of the ANT population feel that it's down right wrong to be bringing them in against a delver deck with bolts as those are unlikely to come out for games 2 and 3 and so they'll have removal for your swarms. The one delver deck that I'm the most hesitant to bring in the swarms against is actually BUG because of their discard. It feels slightly underwhelming to resolve a swarm and pass the turn only to be hit by a hymn. That's not to say that it is incorrect to board the swarms in against BUG but I just don't feel that delver decks is where the swarms really shine. I think they really shine against decks like show and tell and miracles. Basically counter heavy decks with no discard and no-to-little removal (miracles MIGHT keep in a plow or two just for the swarms). What is your take on it?
Again, congrats on the awesome result, I was rootin' for ya in the semis. Was rough to see him hide force on top and waste you.
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nevilshute
Hey there David, many congrats on the fine performance, and thanks for the write up.
I have a comment/question:
You write at one point that against delver decks is where Xantid Swarm really shines. I'm quite intrigued by this. I like to bring in some number of swarms against most delver decks, even against RUG in spite of their bolts. I know, however, that some contingent of the ANT population feel that it's down right wrong to be bringing them in against a delver deck with bolts as those are unlikely to come out for games 2 and 3 and so they'll have removal for your swarms. The one delver deck that I'm the most hesitant to bring in the swarms against is actually BUG because of their discard. It feels slightly underwhelming to resolve a swarm and pass the turn only to be hit by a hymn. That's not to say that it is incorrect to board the swarms in against BUG but I just don't feel that delver decks is where the swarms really shine. I think they really shine against decks like show and tell and miracles. Basically counter heavy decks with no discard and no-to-little removal (miracles MIGHT keep in a plow or two just for the swarms). What is your take on it?
Again, congrats on the awesome result, I was rootin' for ya in the semis. Was rough to see him hide force on top and waste you.
I think Swarm is stronger against Show and Tell then Delver, but I still also Swarm is stronger against Delver than Carpet of Flowers. Any good opponent can play around carpet of flowers with ease, but playing around Swarm is a lot harder. Resolved Swarms just had so much more impact in my games over the past few months than Carpet ever did. I also altered my line of play when I had the Swarm in hand and would strip their burn if they had any before resolving the Swarm and it worked out nicely for me. Could be a corner case scenario, and very well could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by
southfloridamagic
I think Swarm is stronger against Show and Tell then Delver, but I still also Swarm is stronger against Delver than Carpet of Flowers. Any good opponent can play around carpet of flowers with ease, but playing around Swarm is a lot harder. Resolved Swarms just had so much more impact in my games over the past few months than Carpet ever did. I also altered my line of play when I had the Swarm in hand and would strip their burn if they had any before resolving the Swarm and it worked out nicely for me. Could be a corner case scenario, and very well could be wrong.
I agree for the most part with your swarm vs carpet argument. I've gone away from using carpets as well instead of swarms, but from an underlying (and probably over simplified) reasoning of "I can only allocate 3-4 slots to combat islands.deck in my board and swarm is just much more of a crux than carpet. I still think carpet is stronger against delver decks over all thatn swarm is. It's not that easy to play around carpet imo, especially with RUG delver being replaced by the more mana hungry UWR delver. 2 Islands in play on the other side of the fence and carpet is pretty fantastic against a deck that still relies quite heavily on soft counters and wastelands. However, against show and tell decks carpet is nigh useless... it's hardly ever going to be a lack of mana that loses us those matchups but rather our inability to discard them through their leylines.
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nevilshute
I think they really shine against decks like show and tell and miracles. Basically counter heavy decks with no discard and no-to-little removal
Don't forget about Merfolk, which is another matchup where the Swarm can win the game alone.
For my part, I never board in Swarm if opponent has removal for it. Against tempo I use Carpet.
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A question about the Jund matchup, that I tested yesterday (only post-board games) and I found it to be harder than I expected (when I tested Jund with TES it was easier): do you board something against them, or you simply keep the maindeck inaltered?
I both tried boarding nothing and boarding in 3 Decays (for their Shaman - Liliana - Confidant) in place of 2 preordain / 1 Lim-dul's, and I felt better with the no sideboard plan: I guess having more cantrips helps recovering from their discard.
Only once I managed to combo without being hit by any discard (I was on the draw but he played just Shaman T1 and I had a T1-kill hand); on average their discard hit me at least three times per game, and recovering from that isn't easy at all, espacially if they landed Liliana and/or Shaman.
I'm starting to think that ANT suffers discard more than counters.
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Originally Posted by
anakyn
Don't forget about Merfolk, which is another matchup where the Swarm can win the game alone.
For my part, I never board in Swarm if opponent has removal for it. Against tempo I use Carpet.
EDIT
A question about the Jund matchup, that I tested yesterday (only post-board games) and I found it to be harder than I expected (when I tested Jund with TES it was easier): do you board something against them, or you simply keep the maindeck inaltered?
I both tried boarding nothing and boarding in 3 Decays (for their Shaman - Liliana - Confidant) in place of 2 preordain / 1 Lim-dul's, and I felt better with the no sideboard plan: I guess having more cantrips helps recovering from their discard.
Only once I managed to combo without being hit by any discard (I was on the draw but he played just Shaman T1 and I had a T1-kill hand); on average their discard hit me at least three times per game, and recovering from that isn't easy at all, espacially if they landed Liliana and/or Shaman.
I'm starting to think that ANT suffers discard more than counters.
Cards that I find to be good against Jund (but perhaps not necessarily good enough against a broader meta):
Pithing Needle
Sensei's Divining Top
Empty the Warrens
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Nice job Dave! I'm not sold on the Swarms versus Delver decks (I don't like the card versus Bolt or discard) either though.
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Originally Posted by
anakyn
A question about the Jund matchup, that I tested yesterday (only post-board games) and I found it to be harder than I expected (when I tested Jund with TES it was easier): do you board something against them, or you simply keep the maindeck inaltered?
I both tried boarding nothing and boarding in 3 Decays (for their Shaman - Liliana - Confidant) in place of 2 preordain / 1 Lim-dul's, and I felt better with the no sideboard plan: I guess having more cantrips helps recovering from their discard.
Only once I managed to combo without being hit by any discard (I was on the draw but he played just Shaman T1 and I had a T1-kill hand); on average their discard hit me at least three times per game, and recovering from that isn't easy at all, espacially if they landed Liliana and/or Shaman.
I'm starting to think that ANT suffers discard more than counters.
I board two Decays or bounce spells in the dark in addition to any other stuff I have (just one Needle atm), since they sometimes play permanent hate such as Thorn, and getting rid of Shaman, Lilly or their clock isn't all that bad. Never cut cantrips versus discard decks though, I'd probably shave Therapies first versus them. Other cards you can board are Divert, Flusterstorm, Sensei's Divining Top, Pithing Needle, Leyline of Sanctity, 2nd Ad Nauseam (EtW isn't bad either, but I think AdN is better in the MU).
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Re: [DTB] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo
I also did my homework and I won my byes for GP Paris with Ant :cool:
What do you think what is now the best strategy against Patriot may be to sideboard in Carpet of flowers, Massacres, some abrupt decays and empty the warrens ?
I have seen some players sideboarding out Past in flames vs decks with shamans like Jund, Team America or Bug, but I dont like that I think that I never sideboarded out past in flames since I started to play that card.
I have been testing these months a version with two ad nauseams and some moxes, and the deck had more turns 2 kill and I think that is better vs non blue decks, but I think that is more solid to play with only 1 Ad nuseam and the deck is more consistently vs blue decks.
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Originally Posted by
nevilshute
Cards that I find to be good against Jund (but perhaps not necessarily good enough against a broader meta):
Pithing Needle
Sensei's Divining Top
Empty the Warrens
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Originally Posted by
JamieW89
I board two Decays or bounce spells in the dark in addition to any other stuff I have (just one Needle atm), since they sometimes play permanent hate such as Thorn, and getting rid of Shaman, Lilly or their clock isn't all that bad. Never cut cantrips versus discard decks though, I'd probably shave Therapies first versus them. Other cards you can board are Divert, Flusterstorm, Sensei's Divining Top, Pithing Needle, Leyline of Sanctity, 2nd Ad Nauseam (EtW isn't bad either, but I think AdN is better in the MU).
Thanks for the answers.
I'm not convinced on the Warrens plan because probably the Jund player is boarding a couple of Golgari charms and Engineered explosives / Pernicious deed / Engineered plague just for that: I would really prefer winning on the spot with Tendrils than hoping they don't have or they don't draw into any sweeper.
Maybe I should just cut a couple of Therapies for a couple of Decays.
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Another option vs decks with discards is Ignorant Bliss but well I think that the best option vs discard is sensei divining top.
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Originally Posted by
kiwi
Another option vs decks with discards is Ignorant Bliss but well I think that the best option vs discard is sensei divining top.
Neither option is viable as a strategy. Bliss is 2 mana against Thoughtseize, Hymn and Lilli.. laughable. SDT is slow and a real mana-sink
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
Neither option is viable as a strategy. Bliss is 2 mana against Thoughtseize, Hymn and Lilli.. laughable. SDT is slow and a real mana-sink
+1
SDT may be good versus discard decks without a fast clock like B/W-Blade aka Deadguy or Esperblade, but Jund is able to put serious pressure on your life-total really fast. They tend to slow you down with discard and land an early Goyf or (if it stays in their deck after boarding) BBE into SOMETHING and the damage is done. Play out your artifacts (LED's) and wait for your Storm-Engine (even Chain of Vapor is sometimes good enough here). Ignorant Bliss forces you to fetch for an early Volc against a Wasteland-Deck or to burn a Petal... that seems horrible. Like Jamie pointed out, don't cut your cantrips against Jund, fetch for basics if possible like against Tempo, play out LED's and sit there waiting... I tend to board my 2 Chains to buy a bit of time or to be prepared if they land a hate-permanent.
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DarkJester
I tend to board my 2 Chains to buy a bit of time or to be prepared if they land a hate-permanent.
Do you prefer Chains over Decays vs Jund? Can you explain why?
Speaking in general, the only real issue I got when I have to sideboard with ANT against any deck packing some permanent-hate (Liliana / Shaman, Leyline, Meddling mage / Canonist and so on) is to decide which is the best answer between Chain and Decay. Right now I play 3+3, but I rarely board in all 6 of them cause cutting 6 cards from the main is a lot.
There are obvious choices like Decay vs Chalice / Counterbalance or Chain vs Leyline, but in the other matchups I'm a bit on the fence.
For example, against DnT I usually prefer Chain cause Decay is somewhat hard to cast against their mana denial.
But what about the matchups where both Chain and Decay are good? How do you choose between them?
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But what about the matchups where both Chain and Vapor are good? How do you choose between them?
They usually have the same strengths and weaknesses.
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if i'm in doubt i board in my chains isntead of decays because i can use them as a (mini-)storm generator.
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I'm curious on people's thoughts on this deck in the TNN infested meta? Typically when the meta shifts to control aggro becomes better however TNN can keep aggro in check as well.
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Originally Posted by
bkemke
I'm curious on people's thoughts on this deck in the TNN infested meta? Typically when the meta shifts to control aggro becomes better however TNN can keep aggro in check as well.
The fact that you don't really need to protect TNN, leaves you with much more MB and SB space to tackle unfavorable matchups like combo. It's a sign that UWR can run 4 Meddling mage + 2 Flusterstorm + 2 REB's in the side without loosing ground against other decks.
It's not necessarily a good time to play combo unless you really can Profit from the ongoing fight around SFM, which is not a problem unless people realize that Spell Snare is much better in the current metagame than spell pierce.
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
The fact that you don't really need to protect TNN, leaves you with much more MB and SB space to tackle unfavorable matchups like combo. It's a sign that UWR can run 4 Meddling mage + 2 Flusterstorm + 2 REB's in the side without loosing ground against other decks.
It's not necessarily a good time to play combo unless you really can Profit from the ongoing fight around SFM, which is not a problem unless people realize that Spell Snare is much better in the current metagame than spell pierce.
Beat UWR Delver 3 times at SCG last week, once in Top 8 even. Multiple Massacres in the board and sticking a Xantid Swarm make the match up easier. I'd rather play UWR Delver than RUG.
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Originally Posted by
southfloridamagic
Beat UWR Delver 3 times at SCG last week, once in Top 8 even. Multiple Massacres in the board and sticking a Xantid Swarm make the match up easier. I'd rather play UWR Delver than RUG.
Boards in Massacre, also boards in Xantid Swarm.
On top of that, what is with people siding in Xantid Swarm against decks with removal/Lightning Bolt?
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Originally Posted by
southfloridamagic
Beat UWR Delver 3 times at SCG last week, once in Top 8 even. Multiple Massacres in the board and sticking a Xantid Swarm make the match up easier. I'd rather play UWR Delver than RUG.
Do you board Swarm in even against a deck playing 4 Bolts?
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out of DTB again?:really:
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Originally Posted by
Bryant Cook
On top of that, what is with people siding in Xantid Swarm against decks with removal/Lightning Bolt?
I think that's obvious how good/bad that can be... The question is why do people board in xantid swarms when permanents is the problem to answer
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anakyn
Do you board Swarm in even against a deck playing 4 Bolts?
depends on the rest of the deck, 4 removal is not an argument not to do so for me
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Originally Posted by
anakyn
Only once I managed to combo without being hit by any discard (I was on the draw but he played just Shaman T1 and I had a T1-kill hand); on average their discard hit me at least three times per game, and recovering from that isn't easy at all, espacially if they landed Liliana and/or Shaman.
I'm starting to think that ANT suffers discard more than counters.
Definitely agree on that last point. If I'm playing against control, then we're both casting cantrips to find win+disruption, a fight which I feel tends to favor the deck that gets to cast Probe, Therapy, Duress, and can also win on the spot if enough of those resolve. How to fight against Force, Daze, Flusterstorm, etc, is a set of skills that can be learned over time. The only thing you learn from Thoughtseize into Hymn is that the world is a terrible place full of terrible people, and maybe that you should've boarded in the Ad Nauseam.
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Originally Posted by
Sloshthedark
depends on the rest of the deck, 4 removal is not an argument not to do so for me
Well, I think it's a pretty solid argument to be honest: 4 Bolts vs 3 Swarm means the Swarm will stick very rarely on the ground. And if it's killed we just traded 1 for 1, and the card they lost isn't even a counter.
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Originally Posted by
southfloridamagic
Beat UWR Delver 3 times at SCG last week, once in Top 8 even. Multiple Massacres in the board and sticking a Xantid Swarm make the match up easier. I'd rather play UWR Delver than RUG.
You side in Xantid Swarm vs UWR Delver? And also RUG? That is not very common right =)
I also want to ask you about Massacre. Do you also side him in versus Blade Control, or do you rely on Chain of Vapor because Massacre ruins your Ad Nauseam?
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I have been running Pyroclasm recently and it has been fairly impressive. Massacre is insane, but most W(x) decks will bring in RIP which requires AdN. I also cut the Bayou and replaced it with Badlands to compensate for the red.
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Originally Posted by
bondfan
I have been running Pyroclasm recently and it has been fairly impressive. Massacre is insane, but most W(x) decks will bring in RIP which requires AdN. I also cut the Bayou and replaced it with Badlands to compensate for the red.
Massacre is a house against deck that tends to overextend like D&T, once you control the board with massacre taking care of RIP with an AD is enough to not rely completely on AdN
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Does a Sjöblom maindeck with a sideboard like this look horrible to you guys? Maybe Massacre in there somewhere?
3 Decay
3 Dread of Night
3 Xantid Swarm
1 Telemin Performance
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Flusterstorm
1 Pithing Needle
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Originally Posted by
anakyn
Well, I think it's a pretty solid argument to be honest: 4 Bolts vs 3 Swarm means the Swarm will stick very rarely on the ground. And if it's killed we just traded 1 for 1, and the card they lost isn't even a counter.
you're underestimating CT interaction or playing it wrong, I'm playing it vs Thresh with great success // I usually do not bring in Swarm vs. UWR
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Originally Posted by
Lans89
You side in Xantid Swarm vs UWR Delver? And also RUG? That is not very common right =)
I also want to ask you about Massacre. Do you also side him in versus Blade Control, or do you rely on Chain of Vapor because Massacre ruins your Ad Nauseam?
I'm simply stating what's been working for me for three months. Carpet has been absolute garbage because all the tempo players just play around it, or don't flood the board with extra islands. Additionally, Swarm is for the Show and Tell / Reanimator / Miracle type matchups, but it also has game in the UWR Delver / RUG matchup. I cut carpets in favor of Swarm because carpet wasn't doing work and Swarm had better applications elsewhere. I added an extra Massacre to hedge the Meddling Mage / Thalia match ups that were expected to be prevalent in Orlando. I'm not here to discuss what is right and what is wrong because I really don't care if other's agree - I'm simply stating what has been working for me because it might work for someone else. I've gotten some great ideas from the TES / ANT thread here (I liked Slosh's Lightning Bolt idea, but couldn't make it work, for example) so I figured I'd try and give back a little.
In regards to Swarm / Massacre being in at the same time - obviously it's a nonbo. I don't Massacre until I need the Mage to be dead, which at that point my Swarm's trigger has already likely resolved. It's not that complicated.
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Originally Posted by
Zombie
Does a
Sjöblom maindeck with a sideboard like this look horrible to you guys? Maybe Massacre in there somewhere?
3 Decay
3 Dread of Night
3 Xantid Swarm
1 Telemin Performance
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Flusterstorm
1 Pithing Needle
If you want to make room for Massacre, which i advice you to do, maybe you can start dropping a single DoN. Storm is really relevant in your meta? if not, maybe 2 flusterstorm are too much with 7 MD discard.
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Southfloridamagic: If xantid works for you and not carpet in your meta then by all means keep at it. Thanks for your input and write up.
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I never board in swarm against decks with bolt. It just eats a bolt or a force if you're lucky. Swarm is for griselbrand and miracles/decks that can float countermagic on top that we can't discard with therapy, duress, or seize. Otherwise your swarm eats a removal spell and ask yourself this. Would you ever duress a lightning bolt? No? Because that's essentially what xantid swarm is against RUG and UWR. Not to mention both those decks play wasteland/you have to fetch green for swarm and open yourself up to wasteland. Unless I know my RUG/UWR opponent is boarding out every single removal spell in their deck I'm not going to bring in swarm.
Carpet is pretty weak. Competent players play around it out of RUG and UWR. Netting one extra mana a turn out of carpet isn't worth the card.
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Originally Posted by
Dark Ritual
Carpet is pretty weak. Competent players play around it out of RUG and UWR. Netting one extra mana a turn out of carpet isn't worth the card.
Most of the time you get more mana vs UWR, and against RUG Carpet helps a lot to play around Stifle. And I've seen people throw Force and Pierce against Carpet, so it does its job most of the time.
Carpet rly did a great job for me, but I always played 2. Now I upped the count to 3 because I don't know what to do with 2 of my sb slots since I cut the Dread of Nights and made some changes.
So with Tropical and Bayou in the main, my sideboard looks like this now:
Sideboard
3# Abrupt Decay
3# Carpet of Flowers
2# Xantid Swarm
2# Massacre
2# Chain of Vapor
1# Pithing Needle
1# Empty the Warrens
1# Karakas
This was my old sideboard:
2# Xantid Swarm
2# Carpet of Flowers
2# Abrupt Decay
1# Hurkyl's Recall
3# Chain of Vapor
3# Dread of Night
1# Empty the Warrens
1# Pithing Needle
How does your sideboard look like? I would also like to hear some opions about sideboarding vs Uwb Blade and Deathblade. Massacre is good but you want to use Ad Nauseam, so I side in Chains and Decays to fight their Meddling Mages/Canonists.
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Originally Posted by
Lans89
Most of the time you get more mana vs UWR, and against RUG Carpet helps a lot to play around Stifle. And I've seen people throw Force and Pierce against Carpet, so it does its job most of the time.
This just doesn't make sense to me. How does Carpet help you if they stifle targets your Fetchland that was supposed to dig for your Tropical?? If you are forced to cast Xantid off a Petal therefore, casting FoW is perfectly acceptable. Pierce is a 1-for-1 trade against a deck that still has Dazes, Forces, Flusterstorms and Meddling Mages. I don't know how you think that making a laughable 1-for-1 trade is really helpful :/
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I personally play carpet but I don't like it very much. I think it is strong on the play when you see one copy in your open hand, but it is really mediocre on the draw.
As for xantid swarm, I never understand why there is still someone bring it in against tempo...I always see some random SCG players killed by delver with multiple swarms in hand....
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Originally Posted by
GoblinZ
I personally play carpet but I don't like it very much. I think it is strong on the play when you see one copy in your open hand, but it is really mediocre on the draw.
As for xantid swarm, I never understand why there is still someone bring it in against tempo...I always see some random SCG players killed by delver with multiple swarms in hand....
The point is: on the play, you need to fetch for a Tropical and your opponent can play around it by just Dumping fetches without using it; or on the draw you cast it directly into a Daze/Pierce with the green mana Source still being a lackluster
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Boarding in Xantid Swarm vs UWR seems terrible, it's just one more disruption spell that doesn't even address Meddling Mage or Vendillion Clique and a veritable lightning rod. I'm still running strong with 7 MD discard spells and 4 Chrome Mox vs a UW/x meta, in a day and age where everybody's SB has 4 Meddling Mage + X Vendillion Clique it's just really important to have versatile disruption.
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
This just doesn't make sense to me. How does Carpet help you if they stifle targets your Fetchland that was supposed to dig for your Tropical?? If you are forced to cast Xantid off a Petal therefore, casting FoW is perfectly acceptable. Pierce is a 1-for-1 trade against a deck that still has Dazes, Forces, Flusterstorms and Meddling Mages. I don't know how you think that making a laughable 1-for-1 trade is really helpful :/
Well maybe I think too much about a game vs a stifle heavy hand ^_^, where I started and cast Carpet. A little later I was cantripping with 2 fetchland open, untill I found the Therapy to get rid of the 2 Stifles. Something like that. But overall Carpet is just awesome to ignore 8 of your opponents counters (daze and pierce). Now I can side +3 Carpet +1 Empty the Warrens and side out -2 Preordain -1 Cabal Ritual -1 Ad Nauseam, versus RUG/BUG tempo decks. And vs UWR I add 2 Massacre and maybe cut 2 Probe? Ofc Pierce should always be used on Carpet ;). But when they FoW to protect all the softcounters in their deck. Carpet does a great job.
But any suggestions for changes in my sb are welcome, so go ahead =)