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Depends on the Thread. Also depends on how much Magic people ACTUALLY play. A small, over-vocal contingent of the site seems to be bitter about life in general, and they vent through MTG context.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReAnimator
The rest of the site is great though.
And on topic, I have to agree, I am getting tired of Keyword-all-the-things!
Hello and welcome! Randy Buehler here with your grandma bringing you Vintage Pancakes!Quote:
Originally Posted by spirit of the wretch
Hmmmm... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
Ah, spoiler season. It used to be the biggest time of the year for trolls to come out of the woodwork, though now that happens regularly whenever anyone mentions the ban list or metagame composition.
Remember folks, keep it civil and keep it on-topic. This thread is for the discussion of BFZ cards in Legacy. It is NOT for discussion of your pet peeves with Legacy, modern card design philosophy, game balance, or Magic in general. Posts derailing the thread after this point will be nixed, so if you don't have something to contribute then grouse to your friends in real life.
Word on the street is Avenger of Zendikar and Primal Command are getting reprints?
In the duel deck. Also, Stirring Wildwood. However, generally speaking, reprints in the duel deck aren't indicative of the contents of an upcoming set - only the new cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by phonics
Kicker is wide and unfocused. Awaken is "kicker - make a manland." We might get one Eternal playable card, but other than that, it's a mostly Limited/Standard mechanic. Largely ignorable for our purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphrey
I'd like to note, an aggressively costed Awaken card could create interesting deck space in Legacy. You'd run more basics to avoid awakening a nonbasic with Wasteland around so much.
I doubt this...Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsthethird
Let's imagine the most aggressive Awaken card I can think of:
Aggressive Awaken :u:
Sorcery
Draw a card.
Awaken 3 - :1::u:
I still don't see that getting play...
I just realized that Ancient Stirrings works rather well with Devoid. I'd definitely keep an eye on that.
Powerful effects if you control other colorless creatures (like Dominator Drone, except good) could be triggered with Mutavault and Mishra's Factory.
Seems that the new lands are enemy manlands and ally dual with land types. Source is a poster that posted the information on devoid, landfall returning, ingest on august 9th.
Tbh, i don't like that they're fetchable because it means that they will probably be strictly worse than dual, whereas non-type land would at least be possibly situationally better. Well, more budget options i guess for players.
I expect a land that care about exiled shit in some way or another.
Can you link the source?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gheizen64
The only info I found was this one, which lacks the other info.
I have a lot of trouble believing that they'd include fetchable dual lands in a Standard that includes the fetchlands.
I'd wager they can't come up with a proper fetchable dual land that isn't just a shockland. It may be something in the vein of a painland with half the land types, like Murmuring Bosk only with just one of the "off color" colors available. That would actually be fairly plausible in several formats,wouldn't obviate shocklands, and of course is nomatch to ABRU dual lands.
Really any non-basics with land types, if playable, should be welcome additions to a format with fetches. Not that fetchlands are in need of more viable plays, but it is cool to think that they could be used for something more than just fixing mana.
So do I. Wasn't their general rule of not having duals + fetches at the same time in Standard? Or were they only refering to shocklands + fetches?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Seth
That said, if there are duals, they're going to be conditional "come into play tapped unless" lands. The current trend is that whenever they make a new multicolor land, it comes into play tapped (Gates, Scrylands, Lifegain lands, Khan trilands), as it's an easy drawback to design around. Additionally, it slows down the format, which is one of their goals - otherwise, they wouldn't come up with stupid crap like "Manadorks for 1 mana are now too strong!".
Claiming that keyword X or Y is only good for limited, might come back to bite you in the ass. I remember when Khans of Tarkir was being previewed, this entire forum seemed to agree that Prowess was crappy and only meant for limited.
Mayhaps they'll do something cool with landfall. I like fooling around with lots of triggers.
Comment on Mythic Spoiler:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Jimmy Alvey · Crew at Burger King
New mech is devoid and awakening
Devoid means spells with it have no colour and awakening is an alternate casting cost that makes a land a 0/0 and puts counters on them.
Plus enemy man lands and a New ally land that is a plains island
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anyone else like retrat to kazanda as a sideboard card against burn?
At 2 mana maybe. Healing Salving yourself with fetches is nice and all, but isn't it a tad bit too slow for 3 mana AND requiring Landfall while doing fuckall otherwise due to being an enchantment?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
How is it better than Kitchen Finks?
Edit: Unless you're talking about it as a SB card in Lands.
I don't know . . . by turn 2 it sort of reads asQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
:1::u:
Creature -
Devoid, Defender
When ~ ETB draw a card.
:1:: ~ has haste, and loses Defender until end of turn.
3/3
That's certainly pushed. Also it's a decent creature that
1) triggers delver
2) triggers YP
3) can be cast for cheap, cantrip and fill up yard for delve.
4) Pitches to force
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On another note - awaken can work well with Inkmoth nexus. . .
Or Darksteel Citadel, many other man lands, and if you're feeling extra-cute Llanowar Reborn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Except if the land is tapped, it doesn't really have haste...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Plus any removal now also acts as a Stone Rain, plus Wasteland is a card.
That is actually a good point. Although I still doubt it would make its way into Legacy Infect. The correct pushed card could work its way into Modern Infect though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Well not exactly, but all I was trying to say is that I can see a pushed awaken card actually being used. It just has to be really pushed . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
I mean, in fairness, the land would still be immune to things like Abrupt Decay and Punishing Fire and Disfigure. Plus, once you hit the mid game, getting Stone Rained isn't the worst thing in the world. It's a 3/3 for 2cc that replaces mid game lands and draws a card. While I don't think it would be OP, I see no reason why it wouldn't be played to hell and back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
I now terribly regret my part in turning this into another 'Shitty Card Creation' thread.
What I meant to say was:
I bet no card with Awaken will see any Legacy play.
Lets check back on this in 3 months, and then again in a year to see if I'm right. :tongue:
I personally agree. I don't see wizards being brave enough to really push it enough for legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
I do think that a pushed card could be played in Modern though . .
Depends on how the other Awaken cards turn out. There might be 1-2 cards that could be good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
I like the idea with manlands. Creeping Tar Pit with a few +1/+1 counters is alot deadlier than normal.
Remind me: If a Creeping Tar Pit gets awakened and then activated, does it return to being a 0/0 with counters EoT or does it stop being a creature?
That seems plausible, but it's part of a pattern: Legacy is very mana cost sensitive - things that give extra value in exchange for mana are generally not legacy material, and non-mana alterantive costs are powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
It would have to be a very pushed card, or something that works in a game-winning combo (like Artificial Evolution with awaken).
It goes back to being a 0/0 base creature because the awaken has indefinite duration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Am I correct that the wording of Devoid makes it colorless even while not on the battlefield?
Thanks, I expected as much, just wanted to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
It seems to be a permanent ability in all zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn
Well, so much for Natural Order to bring in a green eldrazi...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
I'm just ruminating here, but I think something in each color like Dryad Arbor may see print. The fact that creature removal gives a natural 2-for-1 (at least as far as tempo is concerned) could allow for some room to push power level.
I think they stated in the past that they're not going to do Dryad Arbor variants again due to confusing new players and being a rules clusterfuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Safety
I sorta hope they print a Thran Lens bear.
Seems like a set where they could do it.
Hoping to be the person to coin the nickname "Thran Legs" (at least in the player community; I'm sure that would be the playtest name).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
It's a "characteristic-defining ability" and yes works in all zones (including "outside the game" if you get it there somehow,) just like Tarmogoyf's P/T ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
That would hose devotion decks so hard! I like it and I think it's plausibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
How does it hose Devotion decks? Even if the cards are colorless, they still have the colored mana symbols in their mana costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Heck, even if it did work that way, in what format would there even be Devotion decks to hose? All the devotion cards rotate out when this set rotates in, and the archetype isn't much of a thing in Modern or Legacy. Are devotion decks a thing in EDH?
ah good point. I'm not a standard player so I never know what rotates out when. Would like to see the lens bear myself though