I'd be fine with a Probe ban. It's a retarded card (like all phyrexian mana cards), and it makes cabal therapy into a complete chimp cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
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I'd be fine with a Probe ban. It's a retarded card (like all phyrexian mana cards), and it makes cabal therapy into a complete chimp cardQuote:
Originally Posted by Fox
I really hope the banning of Sensei’s Divining Top does not snowball into more bannings. The power level of the cards in Legacy, from DRS to Probe to Show and Tell to you name it, is what makes this format so great. If I wanted to play shittier cards, I'd go play Modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I don't think banning cards can even be a valid topic for at lest 6 months. Taking out a major card from Miracles would have had a large enough effect to cause waves to start with. Nuking the whole deck leaves the whole format in the air. We need to see the dust settle first before we do anything.
Agreed. This is the wild west now. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Not saying that Probe should be banned. Just saying I wouldn't care. It's restricted or banned in the other two formats for good reason.
Probe isn't even all that broken, especially if you keep your opponent off Black and they never pay the kicker
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
It's been three days, THREE DAYS, and I'm still having a hang-over from celebrating... But seriously, ride the wave... See what happens, and just enjoy this moment... It's a whole new world out there, and we're here to explore it! Seriously, it's like being new to the format :-)
RUG Lands will be a good deck, but we might continue to see more RGCL if enough combo decks need to be raced against.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
Otherwise I suspect the format's control decks might be running more traditional creature-deck elements than Miracles did (D&T, Blade, BUG).
Tezzerator might make a splash, and it's also possible for a mono :u: B2B/Shackles deck to find a home.
We really don't know, which is delightfully exciting.
That's some sweet math. Lab Maniac is probably the way to go. I will post my thoughts in the thread but I kind of echo some of the sentiments there where I think you'd rather have a bit more protection and set up and try to go off. I'd probably go with Chalice and FoW. For chalice you have to make some concessions e.g. playing Cabal Ritual over Songs of the Damned and Fabricate over E. Tutor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
The ten 5-0 decks in today's MTGO Competitive Legacy Constructed League:
U/W Control X2 (both are different)
Sneak & OmniShow X2
Aluren
Burn (no Harsh Mentor)
Dark Bant
Dark Naya Collected Company?
Grixis Tempo
UBr Reanimator
That collected company list is awesome. I loved occasionally playing rabblemaster in the RG lands sideboard pre-tireless tracker, that card is so much fun.
It's pretty dumb to chart it after only a few days of 5-rounders, but I was in Excel doing a content analysis anyway, so here are the four days combined:
http://i.imgur.com/pkFYwSF.png
Combo: 19 of 33 decks
Has Brainstorm: 25 of 33 decks
That falls right in line with what I was expecting the initial meta to look like, but I think that the heavy saturation of combo isn't going to last very long. Unlike Miracles, a combo heavy meta is easy to beat.
EDIT: Elves aside, what I find really interesting is the low amount of GBx Deathrite Shaman decks. Where is the ban Deathrite Shaman crowd at now?
I'm pretty sure in the 4-1 bracket which are the results that I would be more interested in seeing. The mtgo 5-0 publishing system is really weird, it seems like they don't publish ALL 5-0s in a given day only a select few so take that as you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
Yeah I would keep this in mind when parsing data. Remember that hullabaloo awhile back where they said they didn't want to publish as much MTGO data? So formats don't get solved so fast? That + the fact that they don't publish *all* 5-0's makes me not really trust these published results. I feel like they just pick them randomly or even cherrypick the spicy lists that are fun to look at. If they just showed a bunch of Czech Pile lists then it might be a little boring to look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
ALTERNATIVE FACTS!
Little bit of speculation in this article about how the new meta is shaping up
https://thelibraryatpendrellvale.com/back-to-basics/
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No word on combo despite it being more than 35% of the current online metagame? HmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by Sibelius
I never thought I would ever again see various stormtypes listed seperatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Scott
For what it's worth, this is the meta that I've faced over five MODO leagues over the last couple of days:
ANT 4 Eldrazi 3 BUG Delver 3 UR Delver 2 Maverick 2 Stoneblade 2 RUG Delver 1 Burn 1 TES 1 Sneak and Show 1 BR Reanimator 1 UR Splinter Twin 1 Nic Fit (Sneak Attack) 1 UB Death's Shadow 1 Portent Miracles 1
Obviously a small sample size, but might provide some info on the actual meta rather than just the 5-0 meta.
Surprisingly no Elves or Grixis Delver. I've been on Grixis myself and had been hoping to get some use out of main-deck Forked Bolt dammit!
We want more from that "awesome guy" asking for a DRS ban to contain miracles :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sibelius
I think he just posted the decks he would play, and mentioned that he doesn't have the experience to play storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
That will never get old.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noctalor
Combo got a boost because the boogie man got a ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
It will settle once the midrangy decks pick back up.
Also wasn't drs a big 55% in a recent event?
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Define recent. Because the numbers don't support that claim. We're somewhere in the 30-40% range, depending on what you look at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidneyious
I'm just going to chime in and say that last saturday (first legacy weekly since the ban) the LGS i attend got packed, probably record attendance. Maybe the top ban will help in that aspect?
I know it's early days still but this is the first big look we get. It's also good to see that BUG is not taking over.
http://series.magiccardmarket.eu/cov...game-breakdown
Lul 30 stoneblade, I thought that Tundra was an unplayable card now though guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Julian's in first after 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Edit: looks like there's a stream. Round 10
MKM Frankfurt top 8
Szegho, Dalibor
(Food Chain)
Knab, Julian
(Elves)
Wölfler, Walter
(Reanimator)
Bolland, Felix
(Aggro Loam)
Wilhelm, Christopher
(Stoneblade)
Gutbrod, Johannes
(Show and Tell)
Schubert, Mathias
(Grixis Delver)
Swiecki, Robert
(Storm)
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I know one data point means nothing overall, but I really like that. It feels like a promising way to start this new chapter.
So, um... ban Deathrite?
Wow, 8 different archetypes in the top 8!
Ban Deathrite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Top 8 decklists
S&T took it down in the end.
16 abrupt decays in top 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
0 coubterbalance.
Maybe in the scope of Legacy "Destroy target nonland permanent with converted mana cost 3 or less." is valuable regardless of it's ability to be countered or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22
Splashing green isn't a mandate anymore, but cutting green leaves you with Fatal Push and other removal that's cold to Liliana and Chalice of the Void. Just because you don't need it doesn't mean it's not good to have.
20 Brainstorms, 66 fetches... What exactly does any of this prove?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22
I'm not sure he's trying to prove a conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
But some of us are curious about AD's meta share post Miracles. Was the high density of AD driven by a need to answer Counter-Top, or simply by the versatile value the card offers in the format?
Obviously the meta has not settled and one event isn't much to go on anyway. Still, it's interesting to watch the data as it comes in.
Decay will stay, the question on what happens to it is a foolish one. It answers everything from Delver to Bloodmoon. It's so versatile and in a format where Stack based control is seen as king, the ability to put it on the Stack and expect it to resolve is a boon. Decay is not going anywhere. Will it's numbers deminish? A little but I doubt noticeably until there is a good reason to do so.
Decay is the current formats version of Vindicate. It trades some of its effect for resilience. That's not something I would stop playing. Counterbalance was a target, but far from the only one.
I agree with you.
I do think some posters were making the claim that AD numbers were the direct result of Miracles forcing "every deck" to play it. I think like you and don expect a significant decline - except maybe among Storm or Reanimator decks that were trying to shoe-horn them in.
Still,I think there is an expectation that GBx might no longer be the fair-deck goto colours.
Remains to be seen.
106 "Others" seems like a lot, some of these must at least be similar to other archtypes? Like other Delver/Blade type decks at least. Would be cool to see it all grouped.
On Abrupt Decay, of course it will still be a very useful and versatile card, but I think Miracles being gone just allows you to not always need 4 in the 75 and you can feel less guilt about playing cards like Maelstrom Pulse, Toxic Deluge, Diabolic Edict, etc with other upsides in some of the Decay slots. I am leaning towards 2 AD maindeck in most BG decks I am playing now instead of 3 or 4.