Ruby Storm

4 Act on Impulse
3 Ancient Tomb
4 Burning Wish
2 Crystal Vein
2 Desperate Ritual
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Hazoret's Undying Fury
2 Helm of Awakening
4 Lotus Petal
4 Manamorphose
3 Past in Flames
3 Reforge the Soul
4 Rite of Flame
4 Ruby Medallion
4 Seething Song
2 Simian Spirit Guide
10 Mountain

1 By Force
1 Cave-In
4 Defense Grid
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Grapeshot
1 Past in Flames
1 Reforge the Soul
2 Rending Volley
2 Scab-Clan Berserker
1 Tendrils of Agony

I don't own chandras online and they're 40 each :( not worth it atm. I dont have Cities eitehr as this was mostly for fun.

thanks for posting. i didn't realize chandra was so expensive, that's annoying.

few short questions as it's useful data:

how were the crystal veins? would 4 tomb/1 vein have been better?

how were the hazoret's?

would running 4 probes and 1 hazoret's been better?

also did defense grids do anything for you in the blue matchups? i struggle with wanting to commit so many cards in the board to blue, but not sure if there's any other way.

how would magma jets have been in the deathblade match? i know they are a bit weak vs the other decks you mentioned, ANT/Tes/Lands.

Didn't really feel the difference on Crystal Veins

Hazorets was literally Praise Be To RNJesus. It was either the best card in your deck or worst card.

I think you want 2 Hazorets as you still need some payoff cards.

Defense Grid is key in beating blue decks I think. A resolved Defense Grid is lights out the turn you combo.

I dont think Magma Jet would've helped. It was just some bad draws and misplays that really cost me.

I just ran another 3-2 through a league.

Beat Red Stompy, UB Delver, Jund, Lose to Red stompy, Eldrazi

In my win vs Red Stompy, I T1'd Belcher handed him with burning wish 20 goblins. G2 I fizzled but ripped a Reforge off the top and comboed off easily as I had 3x Medallion effects.

In the Loss, T1 Chandra, I probe, he has 3 ball and I'm short 1 mana to win. G2 Hazorets flipped 3x Probe, Medallion when he had a chalice for 1. I didn't rip a reforge or Past in Flames.

UB Delver- Defense Grid on T1 and T2 won the game. Let me combo off unopposed and he showed me a hand full of flusterstorms. piece

Eldrazi- Leyline+2 Thorn and Lodestone was too much. Mull to 4 g3. meh

Jund- T1 I Medallion, he seizes my burning wish. I sack into another ritual and Reforge with mana floating and easily combo. G2, T1 he seizes again but I manage to ritual into wish for 12 gobbos.

Ok I'll keep a misers hazoret's in my build. Being able to not flip a 2nd I think is a safer play.

There's still some room for play with the 75.

Abrade could see some play over the rending volleys. I'd give that a shot. You still would like 3 b damage vs Leovold, but being able to kill trinisphere and chalice / thorn would be better than having only by force.

What makes me happy about this deck is that while ANT and TES aren't really going to be changing many cards with future sets, this deck can get a huge benefit from cards with the exile until eot effect.

A functional reprint of act on impulse could even make this deck a real menace to the metagame.

I watched your replay of your match vs TES in the first league.

Game 3 when you burning wished for pif and then cast into a whiffed hazoret's likely should have been

Song into wish into wheel, wheel with 0 mana open, but you hadn't played a land. I think seeing 7 cards here could have set you up. Did you also being in the red guy? I saw that guy brought in his echoing truths so there's no guarantee there, but that guy on turn 1 is really difficult to deal with.

My reasoning behind not casting hazoret's here is that you are using all your mana hoping to flip a wheel and some mana. I think bc you didn't play a land yet a guaranteed wheel + 7 cards is giving you better outs here.

How do you see other people's replays?

i'm on the TES facebook group, and the guy posted the replay there. :)

Fair point where I should believe more in Reforge.

Do we have outs to Iona?

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Fair point where I should believe more in Reforge.

Do we have outs to Iona?

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nope! i suppose if you need an out, you can always run karakas in the sb....or just run some more graveyard hate, as this is the main reason iona ever shows up on the board.

over the chandra slots (which you're playing hazoret's) you can also try running 2 empty the warrens there. see how many wins you can steal. likewise if you want you can try blood moon. only as a 2 of, but could steal some games as well.

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Fair point where I should believe more in Reforge.

Do we have outs to Iona?

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Surgical Extraction in the board, if you face a bunch of reanimator.

Regarding Hazoret's: I've been on 2 since the beginning and I haven't hit the 2nd one once in roughly 40 games. I've whiffed plenty of times, lol, but haven't hit unplayable cards because of cost.

fair enough! i'm pretty happy w/ chandra in those 2 slots, but will test empty the warrens and magma jet to see if they improve some %'s in matchups where chandra hasn't really done enough. (usually it's countered, where forcing a magma jet is fantastic for us, and forcing an empty just doesn't make sense.


in non-modo environments i would probably run 3 jet and 2 probe, but on modo there's enough combo to keep the 3 probes. as much as i want to run hazoret's, i think that the deck is probably fine without it. if i am feeling lucky i will run it though, b/c it's quite fun to flip cards over!

with the 5 leftover slots i think here's some combinations that can be tested:

could run
3 probes, 2 hazoret's.
3 probes 2 chandra,
3 probes 2 empty,
3 probes 2 magma jet
3 probes 2 abrade,
3 probes 2 commune with lava,
3 probes 2 blood moon

any of these could also go with 2 probes and 3 of the other card. i think as long as minimum 2 probes you can play with any of those numbers.

for reference the rest of the cards

4 seething song
4 rite of flame
4 manamorphose
2 desperate ritual
2 simian spirit guide
4 lotus petal
4 ruby medallion
2 helm of awakening
4 burning wish
3 past in flames
3 reforge the wheel
4 act on impulse
10 mountain
3 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors

I've been thinking of cutting down to 3 Probes as well...the deck is incredibly tight to work in even 1-2 slots worth of cards. I'm still on Inferno Titan x2 maindeck, which hasn't come up very often, and 2 copies of EtW (putting in a 2nd PiF in place of 3rd Warrens.) The way I look at it, the deck is basically: mana, engine, threats. I want to have around 11 big payoff cards in the deck (some are literal threats, some are engine pieces that should lead to threats, so 'virtual' threats, so to speak.) I currently have 12.

2x Empty the Warrens
4x Burning Wish
2x Past in Flames
2x Inferno Titan
2x Hazoret's Undying Fury

I don't rely on Reforge the Soul as one of those cards because it sometimes just refills my hand to give me better odds at a combo the next turn. With that said, rituals into Reforge t1 is a very strong play, especially if there is a Past in Flames in the mix. I'm starting to really map out games, which is very helpful for knowing when to go off (sometimes I just have to go for it) and when to be patient.

We're not the only ones noticing HUF:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=16419&d=301444

Belcher list with a miser's HUF. Belcher is obviously less resilient than mono-red storm (past in flames is a thing), but the premise is the same. No blue cantrips, just storm a bunch and hope EtW/Belcher/Burning Wish get there.

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I've been thinking of cutting down to 3 Probes as well...the deck is incredibly tight to work in even 1-2 slots worth of cards. I'm still on Inferno Titan x2 maindeck, which hasn't come up very often, and 2 copies of EtW (putting in a 2nd PiF in place of 3rd Warrens.) The way I look at it, the deck is basically: mana, engine, threats. I want to have around 11 big payoff cards in the deck (some are literal threats, some are engine pieces that should lead to threats, so 'virtual' threats, so to speak.) I currently have 12.

2x Empty the Warrens
4x Burning Wish
2x Past in Flames
2x Inferno Titan
2x Hazoret's Undying Fury

I don't rely on Reforge the Soul as one of those cards because it sometimes just refills my hand to give me better odds at a combo the next turn. With that said, rituals into Reforge t1 is a very strong play, especially if there is a Past in Flames in the mix. I'm starting to really map out games, which is very helpful for knowing when to go off (sometimes I just have to go for it) and when to be patient.

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is it these 12 + reforge in your deck? just wondering how many live hits you have when you cast hazoret's. also that is pretty cool with that belcher list. if there's a deck that can hit 6 mana easily it's that one.

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is it these 12 + reforge in your deck? just wondering how many live hits you have when you cast hazoret's. also that is pretty cool with that belcher list. if there's a deck that can hit 6 mana easily it's that one.

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Yes, it's those 12 + 3x Reforge maindeck (I side for BW.) I don't see Reforge as a payoff card really, because you have to discard your hand as it resolves. If your payoff is Past in Flames its fine; if its EtW/BW/HUF then it really doesn't get you anywhere. It's a storm engine, pure and simple (just like Ad Nauseam.) The amount of games where I went all-in on Reforge without mana-floating were really disappointing. The amount of times I whiffed and didn't draw a free mana source (Petal, SSG) PLUS rituals to keep chaining were too high for my comfort. The higher land count helps tremendously, but slows the deck down to a turn 3 deck rather than turn 2. That's fine considering the resilience from Past in Flames, but sometimes just too slow. As I noted earlier, some of the more common matchups I would face (Sneak/Show, Death and Taxes) are difficult to navigate. DnT can land a lock piece like Thalia or Rishadan Port, or both isn't uncommon, and combo-ing without Medallion becomes pretty much impossible. Sneak/Show is a nightmare. I sometimes would get *one* turn after they SnT an Emmy onto the battlefield, hopefully getting a storm kill or enough goblins to whether an attack. Even then I only get one more turn with Warrens. And the countermagic, uggh, the countermagic! The version I use for testing has maindeck(!) Flusterstorm.

Matchups against chalice decks are actually easier to manage than the blue decks, so far. The only cards chalice@1 stops are GitProbe and Rite of Flame. That's 8 cards out of the whole deck, lol. Storming out turn 2-3 is just fine because chalice decks typically have slow/little pressure, instead relying on the chalice for most of the work (Eldrazi being the exception, as they run Sphere of Resistence and sometimes Trinisphere.) Maindeck access to By Force is the nuts lol.

EDIT: list for reference, hasn't changed more than 1-2 cards since last post:

4x Rite of Flame
4x Desperate Ritual
4x Seething Song
4x Manamorphose
4x Lotus Petal
2x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Ruby Medallion
4x Burning Wish
2x Empty the Warrens
2x Past in Flames
2x Hazore'ts Undying Fury
3x Reforge the Soul
2x Inferno Titan
3x GitProbe
12x Mountain
4x Ancient Tomb

Sideboard
1x Empty
1x Grapeshot
1x Tendrils
1x Goblin War Strike
1x By Force
1x Reforge the Soul
1x Past in Flames
1x Pyroclasm
4x Pyroblast
2x Surgical Extraction
2x Scab-Clan Berserker (new addition)

GitProbe and SSG made way for Titans. I will be testing as-is for a while to see opportunities. I still want to test Young Pyromancer sideboard...mini-Warrens sounds so good when they board out spot removal. Act on Impulse getting cut was from Vieko's advice. AoI gets a lot worse when it isn't powered by LED mana (it's more mana hungry for sure.) Might cut some number of Pyroblast for Rending Volley...I wish Volley was a sorcery! I suppose Flame Slash or Chain Lightning could work, but susceptible to counterspells.

Ok cool, lemme know how it goes.

I'm back on the AoI train :)

It is worse without led, but still one of the most powerful cards in the deck with 1 rock out.

Regarding turn 3 vs turn 2 it might be worth it to have abrade in the maindeck then. Can kill clocks and blow up any troublesome artifacts.

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Ok cool, lemme know how it goes.

I'm back on the AoI train :)

It is worse without led, but still one of the most powerful cards in the deck with 1 rock out.

Regarding turn 3 vs turn 2 it might be worth it to have abrade in the maindeck then. Can kill clocks and blow up any troublesome artifacts.

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Maybe...I'm not sold on Abrade yet.

Pros
1) It's 2 mana, so it kills Chalice@1, and it kills equipment if you time it right (but the deck is already resilient to Chalice, equips tend to be slow clocks)
2) It's flexible, kills Deathrite, Stoneforge, Delver, Snapcaster. Doesn't kill Goyf, Angler.

Cons
1) It's horribly inefficient without Medallion. I don't think Incinerate has ever been played in Legacy where Bolt is available.
2) It could be completely dead in some matchups, and we're already tight on slots. Storm, Elves, and even most creature-based mid-range decks can shrug this off or counter it. If I'm going to play something that could get countered I want it to be more powerful (Titan.)
3) It doesn't further any plan, so at best it's a sideboard card to fight hate. Contrast that with something like Lightning Bolt that could up the storm count functionally by 3 with the Grapeshot plan, and 1 extra functional storm count with Tendrils, all the while killing Ethersworn Canonist, Gaddock Teeg, Thalia, AND the above list of threats. Coincidentally can also kill a Jace on 3 if you get lucky (do it with the Brainstorm activation on the stack!)

Very valid points. Just need to test, but I know that the other combo decks have been trying it out and it seems to be okay there.

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Very valid points. Just need to test, but I know that the other combo decks have been trying it out and it seems to be okay there.

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Well, theorizing is one thing; practical application is another. It may seem bad on the surface but instead may fill a very important role. I am thinking other combo decks are much weaker against chalice@1 (TES, ANT, even Sneak/Show can't cantrip/Spell Pierce/Flusterstorm.) They are definitely in the market for artifact hate that applies to other situations.

TL;DR - Mono-red plays a tricky game by using cost reducers (Medallion) and higher CMC spells. Other decks go with naturally efficient spells at 1 mana, making Chalice better against them.

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Well, theorizing is one thing; practical application is another. It may seem bad on the surface but instead may fill a very important role. I am thinking other combo decks are much weaker against chalice@1 (TES, ANT, even Sneak/Show can't cantrip/Spell Pierce/Flusterstorm.) They are definitely in the market for artifact hate that applies to other situations.

TL;DR - Mono-red plays a tricky game by using cost reducers (Medallion) and higher CMC spells. Other decks go with naturally efficient spells at 1 mana, making Chalice better against them.

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I've ran Abrade. It is a versatile card to side-in G2/G3 as an instant response to artifact / creature hate. These + Wish targets in the SB, is a solid plan. It all depends on what you are more concerned about. For instance, can you afford your response to Canonist to be countered? If yes, then Abrade is for you... if not, then Rending Volley is better.

I don't see a lot of Canonist, but if I did I would be playing Rending Volley, for sure. I think Rending Volley, simply for it's efficiency and uncounterable clause, is better than Abrade. I might even go for multiple Pyroclasm in the board, because honestly, that card is very good in the current metagame I am playing in (Delver variants, Elves.)

I get the flexibility part of it, but I don't think (in my limited experience, admittedly) it addresses the core issues of the deck. The deck doesn't play library manipulation, so the deck's strength has to be based on redundancy for consistency. Every card that doesn't do anything to support the main plan takes away from the main plan. Hate cards are necessary, but having hate cards that also support the main plan are better. I think the Chandra inclusion is a great example of this: its necessary interaction that also supports the main plan (adds mana, 'draws' you cards, kills creatures, ultimate is a storm 4 = win.) It does everything you want it to, while supporting the main plan.

I must be sounding noobish, but I don't see Abrade as being that great for mono-red storm. If it were a sorcery, it would be better.

EDIT: I'm not using Defense Grid either, and that may be a factor. Defense Grid makes flexible cards better because you have to somehow jam Grid into the main/side as well, making space a premium. I am opting for 3-4 Pyroblast instead of Grid.

yep makes sense. just trying to figure out how the last few spots should work in the sb, and i might value some flexibility with a card over a single dimension card which may not get used at all depending on matchup.

it also can hit grafdiggers cage, which is worth mentioning.

I love Act on Impulse. It basically feels like an Ancestral Recall half the time and you can Flash back it for even more value

I got absolutely obliterated by someone playing this while on UR delver. I own almost everything except 2 ancient tombs, so I look forward to a more definitive list before buying in.

Hi at all.

Yesterday i did a League in Lucca with this list:

// 60 Mazzo
// 12
12 Mountain

// 11 Artifact
4 Lotus Petal
4 Ruby Medallion
3 Defense Grid

// 4 Creature
4 Simian Spirit Guide

// 5 Instant
4 Seething Song
1 Commune with Lava

// 4 Land
4 Ancient Tomb

// 2 Planeswalker
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance

// 22 Sorcery
4 Burning Wish
2 Empty the Warrens
3 Hazoret's Undying Fury
2 Past in Flames
3 Reforge the Soul
4 Rite of Flame
4 Gitaxian Probe


// 15 Sideboard
// 4 Creature
SB: 2 Sulfur Elemental
SB: 2 Scab-Clan Berserker

// 4 Instant
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Lightning Bolt

// 7 Sorcery
SB: 1 Empty the Warrens
SB: 1 Grapeshot
SB: 1 Past in Flames
SB: 1 Reforge the Soul
SB: 1 Pyroclasm
SB: 1 By Force
SB: 1 Hazoret's Undying Fury



i go to a 4-1 and i take all the worst Mu that i don't want take xD

round1: Eldrazi 2-0

g1 lost the roll and do 60+ goblins (in a moment a stop to count them xD) at first
g2 he play thorn of ametyst at first, and i play 2 ruby, so i've a little burst at 5th with i won the game the next one.

round2: Stoneblade UW 2-0

g1 otd, tomb in Grid and combo off next turn
g2 is quite strange, because i try to storm at first only for force my opponent to play double flusterstorm and kill it 3-4 turns after playing around a cspell. Very very interesting and complex game

round3: turbo depth 1-2

g1 otd, he mulls to 5 and i win without pressure
g2 i lost from bayou + urborg + vampire hexmage + esg + crop after he mulls to 5 again
g3 i'm stomping but flizzing in an unreal mode: after 2 reforge, with like 20 cards more in deck, i don't see pif and bw for the victory, but also no Hazozet and no other Reforge!

round4: Tezzerator 2-0

g1 otp, tomb into grid -> wasteland -> no lands but petal + ssg + rites for etw for 12 goblins and kill him in 2 turns.
g2 he starts with land, mox diamond, chalice and i use bw for By Force, kill all and goes for 24 goblin in the same turn

round5: Grixis Delver 2-0

g1 otd, after a delver at first i respond with so much land drops (3-4) and he casts a lot of creatures. At 4th i try to go combo off thx also at Probe and found a hand with only 1 Daze.
g2 tomb grid, tomb grid, no mountain, and when i found it i go for lethal.

2 things: i like a lot the deck, seems very good. I found it's very powerfull otd (like all combo decks) and can be adjust for the meta you expect.
In an other way, Grid seems very powerfull for this deck! In a lot of games i don't side and win always thx to him. Also against Eldrazi in first round, i drew 2 of them, but i close always. So, for the mode i built it, i think the deck is solid and very flexible for the actualy meta, but grixis is always a problem. The last, ToA is an overkill: for me, if u want try to go for lethal, grapeshot is always good because u can go for 20+ storm if u want.

i found also this cards for the SB:


Aftershock
Fiery Confluence

That's great. Super interesting that you cut manamorphose.

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That's great. Super interesting that you cut manamorphose.

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i prefer probe instead morphose, because i want know if i can go combo off or not xD

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i prefer probe instead morphose, because i want know if i can go combo off or not xD

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The list is tight, as we've found out, and it seems that you somehow manage to hit massive amounts of storm (and early!) Manamorphose allows for Tendrils in the board, but it looks like you didn't need it.

Did Commune with Lava justify its slot? I would think Act on Impulse would be better for pure efficiency's sake, but I can see how it could scale up really well (doing 4+ if you have an extra 6+ mana floating.)

i think it might be worth trying AoI over hazoret's in your build. it's been very effective for me, + normally probe is a much worse hit off of hazoret's than manamorphose.

for reference what my 75 looks like:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/689113#paper

4 seething song
4 rite of flame
4 manamorphose
2 desperate ritual
2 simian spirit guide
4 lotus petal
4 ruby medallion
2 helm of awakening
4 burning wish
3 past in flames
3 reforge the wheel
4 act on impulse
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Magma Jet
10 mountain
3 ancient tomb
2 city of traitors

SB:
4 Defense Grid
2 Scab-clan Berserker
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Reforge the Wheel
1 Past in Flames
1 Grapeshot
1 By force
2 Abrade
1 Cave-in
1 Empty the Warrens

i am still considering running 1 more empty in the sb instead of the 4th grid.

I was thinking about Magma Jet to sub instead of Inferno Titan main. I finally got Titan into play against Deadguy Ale in testing. It killed a Deathrite Shaman, dealt around 14 damage to my opponent...then they Liliana-ed him and I lost slowly over the next 5 turns lol. Magma Jet would have been much better at smoothing out draws, killing some stuff for interaction, and its even good during the combo turn by dealing damage or killing a hate card. This might be the Bolt I was looking for, lol. Maindeck this seems good, and it gives flexibility for sideboard while not being dead g1. I like it a lot. Old skool tech to the rescue.

I will immediately be switching to Magma Jet main, Titan side. I like it that much.

Probe is more and more becoming a liability. I think savvy play makes up for lack of information, and honestly, we have to just jam combos anyways. Manamorphose allows for Tendrils in the board, so I will be keeping those and working some sort of substitute for Probe (maybe this is where I can work in Act on Impulse.) Will still play 2x Probe for now, but the slippery slope has started. I think it will eventually get cut. Redundancy is the name of the game for this deck. An extra random draw 1 isn't going to make or break the deck. Manamorphose is a much bigger role-player for the deck and the other draw cards draw multiples (AoI, RtS.) If we can't control card quality we just need to draw a butt-load of cards, lol. Replaying AoI/RtS with Past in Flames is so much more powerful and reliable as well.

So for now:

-2 Inferno Titan
-2 Gitaxian Probe

+2 Magma Jet
+2 Act on Impulse

Sideboard
-1 Cave in
-1 Goblin War Strike
+2 Inferno Titan

i'm not sure if it should be 3 probe 2 jet or 3 jet 2 probe. obviously needs to test, when comboing it might be insane for finding wish/pif/putting lands on the bottom etc. all for just R if a rock is in play.

i would definitely run 2/3 but i'm a bit concerned with only 15 lands.

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i'm not sure if it should be 3 probe 2 jet or 3 jet 2 probe. obviously needs to test, when comboing it might be insane for finding wish/pif/putting lands on the bottom etc. all for just R if a rock is in play.

i would definitely run 2/3 but i'm a bit concerned with only 15 lands.

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I edited my post, lol. I run 16 lands and Magma Jet should help find lands, better than Probe. I am going to try 0 probes, 2 Magma Jet and work in Act on Impulse.

gl! the hardest part for me was always finding the minimum amount of lands to start. that's why i eventually caved in and am running some probes. i think if you can cast magma jet, you're already looking to get rid of lands.

I think we're reaching enough players where anyone who wants to join my slack (it's like discord but I've had it for longer) vieko and I talk regularly on there.

I also use it for work, so it's always open on my comp /phone.

If you're interested pm me your email.

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gl! the hardest part for me was always finding the minimum amount of lands to start. that's why i eventually caved in and am running some probes. i think if you can cast magma jet, you're already looking to get rid of lands.

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I get that. I think running 16 lands, with the option of Jet filtering through extras, is close to optimal for testing. If my hand is one mana short of going off, finding a land isn't a bad thing either. A full yard, 4 lands, and Past in Flames is not a bad situation either.

The danger with Magma Jet is: do you keep a land without Mountains and count on a Lotus Petal/SSG to fuel Magma Jet to get you there? It's risky business. I would say mulligan that hand. I think Jet falls into the same category as Probe really, it just does more. I have kept openers with double Probe/no lands, but even that is pretty edgy. However, if there is a window where you play Jet to set up your next turn it could be amazing.

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I get that. I think running 16 lands, with the option of Jet filtering through extras, is close to optimal for testing. If my hand is one mana short of going off, finding a land isn't a bad thing either. A full yard, 4 lands, and Past in Flames is not a bad situation either.

The danger with Magma Jet is: do you keep a land without Mountains and count on a Lotus Petal/SSG to fuel Magma Jet to get you there? It's risky business. I would say mulligan that hand. I think Jet falls into the same category as Probe really, it just does more. I have kept openers with double Probe/no lands, but even that is pretty edgy. However, if there is a window where you play Jet to set up your next turn it could be amazing.

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if i had a 1 land hand and it's just a mountain and no other mana source in hand, but had a magma jet...i'm likely to mulligan. same hand but with a probe instead, much more likely to keep.

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if i had a 1 land hand and it's just a mountain and no other mana source in hand, but had a magma jet...i'm likely to mulligan. same hand but with a probe instead, much more likely to keep.

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I second this motion.

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if i had a 1 land hand and it's just a mountain and no other mana source in hand, but had a magma jet...i'm likely to mulligan. same hand but with a probe instead, much more likely to keep.

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Agreed, more likely, but it could still be a disaster lol. Maybe Jet isn't efficient enough (looking to my own advice...) However, our 1-mana options for filtering are really limited.

Do we start looking to Chrome Mox instead of SSG?

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Agreed, more likely, but it could still be a disaster lol. Maybe Jet isn't efficient enough (looking to my own advice...) However, our 1-mana options for filtering are really limited.

Do we start looking to Chrome Mox instead of SSG?

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I tried Chrome Mox, and it's more about what's leftover in your hand. Mox is however better when flipping from AoI. I'm still pretty sure ssg is better.

Mox can still be good if you are casting AoI to find a land.

Maybe just try 1 and 1 for now and see when mox is better or worse. You never want multiple mox, but multiple ssg is fine.