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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
Play Dreadnought, target it with March, grab another copy, sac one, keep one.
If you're willing to sacrifice two cards for the :2::g: cost, it could be done as early as T2.
Edit: That said, the card seems terrible. High costs, requiring a target AND fizzling if the target is removed.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
Much better than anything I could come up with, but dumping 3 cards into something that dies to ending or meltdown or daze seems rough.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
I'm just assuming that it's a typo and you don't have to invest cmc+2 mana.
It wouldn't be the first time
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies
The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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TsumiBand
Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies
The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm
I don't know why WotC is still keep trying to fix GSZ. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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TsumiBand
Fixing GSZ so that it's almost unplayable, fucking sick I'll take 10 copies
The creature ETB tapped and you have to already control a copy of it to cast it, so your early game plays with this are incredibly draw-dependent and you can't search for a 1-of game ender like Craterhoof or whatever else. Hmmmm
Now now be fair: you don't need to target something you control
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http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/mindlinkmech.jpg
Any cool interactions for this? Or are you just going to tap some card draw Ninjas for value?
Edit: Cold-Eyed Selkie works, I guess.
Edit 2: If you copy Mist-Syndicate Naga, would it create mech tokens or Naga tokens? :really:
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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Barook
I think any 1 or 2 cmc double striker?
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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Zoid
marchofburgeoninglife.jpg
This smells like it might have some uses.
Elves?
Just play it with Spy Kit and 0 cc creatures. :laugh:
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FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Now now be fair: you don't need to target something you control
NURRRRRRRR
Amazing Elves vs Elves mirror tech, just search for your own Craterhoof when they play theirs and make sure you have more guys than they do, block and kill everything and blow them right out next turn
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
This new utility land seems very powerful in curses.
Roadside Reliquary
Land
{T}: Add {C}.
{2}, {T}, Sacrifice Roadside Reliquary: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
“Travelers who leave an offering many pass freely through the forest kami’s domain.”
We run 12-16 of each card type, depending on how you count saga and karn. Compared to something like Sea-Gate Wreckage it is much more efficient and easier to enable, even if it is not repeatable.
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Reeplcheep
This new utility land seems very powerful in curses.
Roadside Reliquary
Land
{T}: Add {C}.
{2}, {T}, Sacrifice Roadside Reliquary: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
“Travelers who leave an offering many pass freely through the forest kami’s domain.”
We run 12-16 of each card type, depending on how you count saga and karn. Compared to something like
Sea-Gate Wreckage it is much more efficient and easier to enable, even if it is not repeatable.
Seems insane in loam decks.
Also:
https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/...tconstruct.jpg
Play LED, play this, profit?
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Zoid
Yeah, that seems pretty nutty when there are lots of cards that are balanced by discard like Breakthrough and Gamble. There are probably random discard piles with Burning Inquiry/Control of the Court/Goblin Lore that can abuse it too.
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Zoid
Channel Boseiju, destroy an opponents permanent, play Boseiju :tongue:
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This seems like it breaks echo of eons decks (of blue or red varieties).
Letting you cast your whole hand off of LED, even after drawing your new hand, seems insane. You can’t respond to LED so it is mostly immune to creature removal. At least it isn’t true madness so it is vulnerable to graveyard hate. It is a trigger not a replacement also, so it does expose the Echo of eons to surgical.
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There are probably lots of ways to abuse this. Even something like Faithless Looting becomes an insane value engine with it. Mox Diamond is also a cute interaction if you still have a land drop available after it hits play.
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Cire
Channel Boseiju, destroy an opponents permanent, play Boseiju :tongue:
Or Trade Routes. Or Seismic Assault/Molten Vortex. Plenty of ways to extract value from this.
Artificer's Intuition should also be able to do some dumb shit, especially when grabbing additional LED copies.
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Finally, this time LED will be banned...
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Finally, this time LED will be banned...
I wouldn't be surprised if it gets something banned down the line, most likely itself due to being an uncommon.
There's also an infinite combo kill somebody already figured out with Artificer's Intuition:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKrrD87U...jpg&name=large
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Not that broken given that it is a 2 card 7 mana combo? Sure it can be paid during different turns, but its not cheaper than existing two card combos.
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It's still a creature so dies_to_removal.maymay but it's still a very powerful effect.
If you have an LED already in play before you resolve it, you still get the effect if your opponent nukes it in response.
This seems like another Underworld Breach kind of thing where they try to see how far they can push things, even though these kind of things never lead to anything other than degenerate combos.
Looking up how much an LED costs nowadays I would be ok with it going now.
I'll miss it in Ichorid but whatever.
Btw, the blue march is pretty tame:
https://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/...irlingmist.jpg
Might have some uses with Dreadnoughts but otherwise, meh which is actually nice for a change.
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Zoid
Counterpoint: Vision Charm insta-kills DDFT and hard counters High Tide.
No need to re-evaluate this card until phasing out tokens exiles them and permanently banishes Kaldra to the shadow realm.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
This seems to be the first set in aged where there 3-4 cycles and the none of the blue ones are unreasonably overpowered for some reason.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
Well it's Kamigawa, they don't get good blue cards. It's just the rules.
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Nice to see that it's in Blue's color pie to suck once in a while, too bad that means it's encroaching on White again
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H
This card is a sleeper in Storm, you get 4 more G producing lands for your Veils and Naturalize out of the SB.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
Just wanting to point out that the Containment Construct is 'just' a better version of Conspiracy Theorist. The effect is not new and nobody ever considered playing that card as far as I'm aware. Certainly not with small incremental advantages that discard one card at a time. Please prove me wrong though, it'd be nice if the Construct (perhaps with additional redundancy in the form of the Theorist) can create a new kind of discard deck. Smallpox is also fun with it.
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One is very different from all in a format with Breakthrough and Lion’s Eye Diamond
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UseLess
Just wanting to point out that the
Containment Construct is 'just' a better version of
Conspiracy Theorist. The effect is not new and nobody ever considered playing that card as far as I'm aware. Certainly not with small incremental advantages that discard one card at a time. Please prove me wrong though, it'd be nice if the Construct (perhaps with additional redundancy in the form of the Theorist) can create a new kind of discard deck. Smallpox is also fun with it.
I wonder whether there's a way to make them work with a repeating loot effect like Riddlesmith, Hazoret's Monument or Jeskai Ascendancy, but I doubt that something like that will ever be a tier deck in legacy.
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Looking through the set made me wonder: when if Ogre-head helm is attached to a creature and that creature deals damage to an opponent. Do you sacrifice the creature or the helm , the creature for the ability?
Ogre-head helm
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Equipped creature gets +2/+2.
Whenever Ogre-Head Helm or equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice it. If you do, discard your hand, then draw three cards.
Reconfigure {3} ({3}: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn’t a creature.)
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rufus
Looking through the set made me wonder: when if Ogre-head helm is attached to a creature and that creature deals damage to an opponent. Do you sacrifice the creature or the helm, the creature for the ability?
Ogre-head helm
The creature dealing the damage
Which can be the helm.
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfal...jpg?1547517549
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https://i.redd.it/03rvxurbmgg81.png
Goes infinite on turn 2, since Swift Reconfiguration turns Devoted Druid into an artifact (so it can tap the turn it goes into play).
Thoughts?
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BenBleiweiss
Goes infinite on turn 2, since Swift Reconfiguration turns Devoted Druid into an artifact (so it can tap the turn it goes into play).
Thoughts?
That's assuming you have something like a T1 mana dork since the total combo costs :1::g::w:. And after that, you need a kill condition, with Ballista probably being the prime suspect (although GSZ would probably add some flexibility into the mix; Finale of Devastation one something protected would probably also work).
http://mythicspoiler.com/neo/cards/u...rveillance.jpg
Is it just me or can this card draw a stupid amount of cards in the right deck for the mere price of :u::u::u:?
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Regarding Neon Commander: Maybe it's the picture quality, maybe I'm reading into things too much, and maybe I'm just picking nits, but that set symbol looks uncomfortably similar to the symbol of the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.
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Ronald Deuce
Regarding Neon Commander: Maybe it's the picture quality, maybe I'm reading into things too much, and maybe I'm just picking nits, but that set symbol looks uncomfortably similar to the symbol of the Imperial Rule Assistance Association.
It's your eyes. The two are nothing alike
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Re: Kamigawa Neon Destiny - A victory lap around Netrunner
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FourDogsinaHorseSuit
It's your eyes. The two are nothing alike
Yeah, okay! ZING!
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Ronald Deuce
Yeah, okay! ZING!
Well one is an origami shield and the other is the rising sun over a bird.
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Barook
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Is it just me or can this card draw a stupid amount of cards in the right deck for the mere price of :u::u::u:?
Maybe there's a combo interaction, but I think that's mostly going to be win-more. Paradoxical Outcome is also likely to be better in many scenarios.