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If you want to waste your t1 spending mana for the privilege to later spend mana to cycle your do-nothing artifact I will consider that Good For Me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
And I will smack you for 3 a few times while you do.
Fair blue decks don't need it because they have force, fair non blue decks need it because they don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
There are also unfair blue decks that may want it (if only using Force defensively) and unfair non-blue decks that want to shut off Force, Grief, Daze, FoV, other combos...
It’s literally blanking your strategy how is that do nothingQuote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
If you have to make shit up maybe your argument sucks
This doesn’t stop most unfair decksQuote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
what are you talking abouttttttttttttttttttttttt I still scammed you and and still get to beat you down with reanimate you still are dead ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhQuote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
And yet you keep posting!Quote:
If you have to make shit up maybe your argument sucks
Right. Because the opponent will play a 1 mana artifact and then do nothing the remainder of the game. Plausible scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Are we playing 4cb? Because I, too, also will get to to do things the rest of the game....Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
We do, and are missing you there!Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Are you legitimately arguing that spending 3 cards and 4 life to get a thoughtseize and a 3/2 is a good deal? Because its really, really not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Just imagine a very common scenario:
You play bauble on T1 and opponent is holding FoW. Either they immediately 2-1 themselves or FoW is a dead card until they can answer the bauble, which if they cannot do before you untap, results in a 2-1 anyway.
Then you get into the Reanimator conversation where you are blanking 8-12 cards depending on their deck.
Then you get into all the other zero mana stuff that this hoses.
Yes, stating the obvious, this is a great card and highly needed I might add given all the free crap they keep printing.
But...but...the 3/2 will just kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
I'm arguing that spending 3 cards and 4 life for a thoughtseize, a 3/2, AND my opponent takes their first turn off so they can play a piece of trash in the hope that they can later spend mana to cash it in is a good deal.
And it really, really is.
I don't have the bandwith for this season, sadlyQuote:
Originally Posted by dte
Even if you submit Akroan Horse+Wild Dogs as a joke and get 0 pts one round, it will be the ceiling deck and power down the whole format, making it much sillier the other rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Then you can win with more fun stuff those other rounds, without it being all Lotus+Thassa vs Chancellor+Strip Mine vs T0 discard.
Bunch of new cards:
R/W Titan - same as Uro and Kroxa, but casts Lightning Helix on enter and attack.
Whole bunch of hybrid mana spells with a dual land on the back.
Wrath of the Skies - WWX pernicious deed effect, uses energy
Harbinger of the Seas - 2/2, 1WW, Merfolk, Blood Moon effect but Islands instead of Mountains
Deep Analysis, Wirewood Symbiote, and the at least part of the Threshold Land Cycle are now all modern legal
Almost like they're trying to invalidate Legacy by adding more fun Legacy cards to Modern...
Does the RW Titan do Bolt (3 to any target) or Lava Spike (3 to opponent)?
its any target, also costs 1rw to cast from hand, so no Lurrus resurrections with itQuote:
Originally Posted by FTW
That might be Legacy playable. Jeskai control gains playable lifegain and doesn't need green for a Titan.
So many Legacy ports in MH3:
Wheel of Fortune
Recurring Nightmare
Gilded Drake
Whitenicious Deed
Medallion cycle
fixed Brainstorm
fixed Grim Tutor
Priest of Titania
Wirewood Symbiote
Meltdown
Victimize
Ophiomancer
Worn Powerstone
Deep Analysis
Cephalid Coliseum
Barbarian Ring
Apex Devastator
a Ruby Storm draw 3
some Commanders never Modern legal before
an Elemental Blast
Just to be petty: Grim Tutor is already modern legal as it was in M21 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
https://mythicspoiler.com/mh3/cards/strixserenade.jpg
The complement to Swan Song seems decent.
I said from the moment MH1 was announced that the end goal is to turn Modern into quasi-Legacy. All of the cards they keep printing that circumvent the RL through meaningless differences all but confirms that.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTW
They are now also gonna do the same with Vintage and Timeless.
Either way it will never be exact. Modern is almost assuredly never going to get Brainstorm/Daze/FoW/Wasteland. Timeless is almost assuredly never going to get the Power 9.
Those will be the only lasting format distinctions.
Vintage is the place for P9, Shops, and other stuff too busted for any other format.
Legacy is the format for Xerox tempo (so they will never ban Brainstorm, Daze, or fetchlands - they'll ban everything else first).
It's already been like that for years, but these reprints are making the distinction even clearer, putting other "fun" interactions into Modern.
Timeless is straight trash right now. The Show and Tell deck is 1.xbillion times better than anything else in the format because there's no free counters or stax right now to deal with it, and it has things like Demonic Tutor to help it out with combo-ing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
I don't particularly agree. When is the last time you played?Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
As someone who has been on Omnitell in high ranked Mythic for the last few months, I'll agree Omnitell warped the format. There were about 2-3 weeks when Show and Tell was first made available and everyone was unprepared. During that brief period, you could just farm the entire format but the meta adapted months ago. There are plenty of answers and everyone is packing at a minimum Roiling Vortex / Rule of Law effects in the sideboard. Omnitell play rate has plummeted which I kind of miss because the mirror usually becomes a super complicated game of chicken.
I personally adapted to all the hate by going off the Approach win and instead playing a lot more disruption, Pick Your Poison, and Hullbreaker Horror but I've yet to encounter another Omnitell list playing this. If anything, but for Mana Drain the deck would already been below Tier 1. Which is another thing I like about this format: there is literally zero even halfway decent data out there so netdecking is really not a thing.
The various Grixis-type (BR; BU; BUR) decks give it a lot of trouble and are now taking over a larger portion of the meta. Ritual ->Thoughtseize -> Cycle/Reanimate Troll is not a beatable hand for Omnitell especially when its followed up by DS with Spell Pierce protection. Even assuming they don't have the nuts, they have a good clock and tons of disruption both in the form of counter spells and discard. Post side-board Roiling Vortex is annoying AF since it shuts off Atraxa lifelink and Omniscience.
I also find Rakdos burn to be an unfavorable matchup because they are combining a super fast clock with Vortex. Zoo is about 50/50 but people stopped playing that this month for some reason. Sorin/Ripper is a toss up mostly based on whether they can turn one a Ripper. Titan got completely pushed out of the format. Necro is surprisingly straight trash. I would much rather face a turn 1 Necro than a turn 1 Sorin.
Once MH3 comes out the whole meta will completely change and Omnitell is likely to become a Tier 2 strategy due to Vexing Bauble and Grief/Scam.
I expect Raxdos Scam to be Tier 0 or 1 at a minimum: Deathrite Shaman, Ragavan, Reanimate, Troll, Grief, Bowmaster, Dark Ritual, Thoughseize, and Scam card just seems overwhelmingly good and the deck will be buildable in a variety of ways (i.e. Sorin package; Necro package; Lurrus package; Reanimate Package).
Overall, I find Timeless to easily be the best format on Arena and its not even close albeit that's not saying much. Super interactive games that require a lot of decision making, punish you for small mistakes, a meta that is self-correcting given the breath of answers available, and the lack of online information leading to players actually having to play games and adjust based on their own judgment all makes for a fun experience.
You just emptied your hand in this scenario while your opponent is down exactly one cardQuote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
I mean I don’t even know how sold on the bauble I am but your arguments are just real bad here
Are you doing a bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
I spent 4 cards, and have 4 left in hand. (Seven opener minus: land, Reanimate, Grief, Black card. gain: draw step)
You spent 2 cards, lost one, and have 4 left in hand. (Seven opener minus: land, bauble, card removed by grief)
Or do you just not think the scam archetype is playable as a whole?
At this point you're like 2 steps away from saying One with Nothing is good because it puts stuff in your graveyard. I mean, you're arguing 4 cards for a Thoughtseize is good here, and.. it's really not.Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
This is the second time you've made this post, and like the first time you have misread what happens:Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
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Originally Posted by Four Dogs, last time
Scaming vs bauble: the situation 4 dogs described is that OTP you have full scam, OTD you do the equivalent of unmask + delver if the opponent had the bauble, and spent his T1 to cast it. You then know and can opt not to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
So in about 20% of the cases (OTP + bauble in hand), you would reduce scam from full power to delver + unmask, which is not great but not immediate game loss either. You end up with the same amount of cards but a better board presence.
I guess you would still side out scam OTD vs known 4x baubles, but bauble is hardly the end of scam.
nobody's arguing bauble is the end of scam, we're just dumbfounded that 4dogs continues to argue casting into it is a good idea, when its clearly not in every way conceivable.Quote:
Originally Posted by dte
I guess I'm the only one who can count to four. It must be an inherent ability of being four dogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by morgan_coke
Does this ability copy itself? If it does, there's a silly combo with Spawn-Gang Commander.
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Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, spell, you may pay {C}{C}. If you do, copy all spells you control, then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control. You may choose new targets for the copies. (Mana abilities can’t be copied.)
Have you heard of a card called Thoughtseize?Quote:
Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit
Like just to state the real obvious point, the issue with Bauble will be whether it does enough, not whether playing lots of spells into it to get countered is actually a good strategy
Known 3/2 with menace, thoughtseize.
It says all other.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
But if you somehow trigger it twice, yes.
I had to re-read the last two pages and gee...let's be real...no one is going to pitch cast Grief into a Bauble just so they can reanimate unless they think they will be losing the next turn if they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
But hey, if my opponent wants to do that, I am all for it! That puts me on 6 cards (really 7 since I can cash in Bauble) with them at 4 (with likely at least one of those cards also being a dead pitch card).
Do you think Bauble counters reanimate?
If you are 2-0ing yourself so you can then 2-1 me, I am happy with that. First, you are down cards on that exchange. Second, you used a Reanimate on a lesser target rather than something that actually threatens to end the game. A 3/2 dies to everything body is not concerning. Besides that, you wasted 3 cards to Thoughtseize me.
Let's be real, no one would ever FoW a spell unless they are losing next turn, that would be 1 for 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Blood
If you can grief reanimate T1 OTD vs bauble, I am sure there are situations (hand & MU) where you should, and some where you shouldn't.
The outcome is to have cast the equivalent unmask + pseudo delver (3/2 evasion for 1 mana) vs a T1 don't do much. Not great, but not really behind either.
If that is the only reasonable thing to do with your cards, you will cast grief + reanimate. I assume the only ones to bring this bauble are combo to counter FoW/FoN/surgical. Then it might be smart to have T1 threat + disrupt.