[Deck] Merfolk

Okay, Canonist may not be the best option. I merely suggested it as a possible sideboard card against combo. If I splash white I'll be sure to test it. Chant can be good too, but may be more narrow as it doesn't set a clock and requires you to keep a mana open. But both options are things that should be tested I think, because I still don't like the odds against Combo. In fact, the reason I'm taking an interest in the white splash is because next to improving the Aggro match-up, it can improve the Combo match-up. I think that's very interesting.

Meddling Mage is as good as Canonist against combo. Just name Chant if you have FoW in hand. If your opponent is low in life name Tendrils. If your opponent is high in life and if you don't have Force, then name Ad Nauseum. In any case, you've almost won.

Honestly I'd go with either cannonist or chalice. Chalice is more relevant in other matchups, as it hoses sligh decks when set to 1. Sure, there goes your vials, but if you can stop all their bolts, apes, nactals and the like, it's certainly good. So maybe chalice > canonist. I wouldn't do chant. To me that seems even more narrow, and as you said, doesn't beat. Generally, my take on combo is that you want something thats proactive, not reactive, with an aggro deck like this. Meddling also seems weak to me. Sure you can name chant, but then you had better have FoW in hand for when they go off. Canonist stops them all by its onesy while also slowing how quickly they can find answers (one cantrip per turn!)

Hello, I've been wondering. Have you guys considered the green splash versus the white one ? You guys could have nice addition to wall tarmo (tarmo), and an answer to Dreadnought with Kgrip.

Looked at the last 10 pages and didn't really find an answer. Anyway, was mainly looking of what would be the advantages cons of splashing green over the normal and the white splash version.

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Hello, I've been wondering. Have you guys considered the green splash versus the white one ? You guys could have nice addition to wall tarmo (tarmo), and an answer to Dreadnought with Kgrip.

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In my opinion, green doesn't have what this deck needs. In a meta filled with graveyard hate, wake thrasher is almost as good as goyf, albeit a bit slower. This deck doesn't need more beaters. In addition, if this deck wants to beat dreadnought, it's got echoing truth, and, even better, threads of disloyalty, not to mention its counter backup. White also gives you disenchant.

If you want to make an argument for green, tell me how it helps your combo and burn matchups. Here, white gives you options of canonist, meddling mage, and chant. Against aggro, it gives you STP. most importantly, against burn it gives you pro-red. Yes, Goyf is tempting, but it's about the only reason to splash green over white that I can think of, though I'm happy for a debate.

I have found that Misdirection is a decent ant-combo card. And I have it in there as an anti-red card.

It's pretty damned good against:

Orim's Chant (not Duress and not Silence)

and it is still useful against:

Pyroblast
Chain of Vapor and various forms of removal (I doubt we will see much of this w/out Canonist or Meddling Mage though)
Tendrils of Agony (though this is a pretty bad use)
Countermagic

So, the big targets (and the only ones I have had the chance to play it against) are:

Orim's Chant
Pyroblast

Given the importance of Orim's Chant for them, and the magnitude of the effect of reversing it, it may be worth a go. To be sure, it is not the best sb card here. The fact that I have it in there for an entirely different matchup is the reason I even bring it up.

EDIT: BTW, I think Canonist is a pretty bad choice. In addition to what has been said, it can mess up your own deck if the opponent is familiar with seeing it and plays smart.

Hmm, I hadn't considered Misdirection for chant, but you're right, it's gamebreaking, and while it is reactive, it's free reactive, so it's something I can get behind. The only question is do combo decks run silence instead? Seems like for their gameplan, silence is superior. It's untargetted! They probably won't be chanting with kicker.

Though you did forget one thing: thoughtsieze. This is target player rather than opponent. I'm assuming "choose" means that they do have to choose one of their own cards to discard...?

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If you want to make an argument for green

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Then I would say results- 5th at scg 5k and 1st at the Jupiter Games 40 duals. The lists were nearly identical and have the same pilot, but both tournaments were huge with tons of tier 1 decks piloted by some of the best legacy players in the community.

I think splashing is definitely the next evolutionary step for merfolk and I'd prefer it was white, but green offers some good options. Grip > disenchant, which has some nasty drawbacks (no split second, cc2:eek:) which are relevant because a lot of the scary artifacts run the countertop engine too. Tarmo is still probably better than sovereign, but I haven't had enough time to test and Nightmare says it's not, so I'm still working. StP is nice, but I wonder if it could give back too much tempo with lifegain from a large creature?

Originally I tried by making the manabase entirely nonbasic and using Tarmo/Grip/StP/Absolute Law in the same list. I kind of scrapped the idea, but it didn't really wasn't that bad except when its manabase was left alone. I should probably stick to just 1 splash, but I'm leaning toward green until Sovereign proves himself better than goyf (at least; then I need to see if disenchant can resolve enough for it to be worthwhile).

Tiv, I have never encountered Thoughtseize from an Ad Nauseum deck. I think the life loss is an issue. Anyway, it works of course. And they would have to reveal their hand to you and then choose one of their own cards to pitch. I just don't know how often you are going to see it.

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Tarmo is still probably better than sovereign, but I haven't had enough time to test and Nightmare says it's not, so I'm still working.

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It's a question of context. I would never say that as a late-game top deck, Sovereign is better than Goyf - it isn't. However, Goyf doesn't really contribute much to the deck, or improve any of the other cards you're playing with. Sovereign is much better in this deck, based on synergy much more than raw power. Besides, in a significant number of games with this deck, Silvergill is bigger than goyf. 12 lords, people. 12.

Then the question is, if your intent is to cut Goyf, what benefit do you get from green? You're still getting Grip, but you need to decide if the Split-Second is enough reason to outweigh your potential gains from the other colors. STP aside, you get the same benefits from Disenchant (or, if the 2cc thing is an issue, you could run Dismantling Blow) as you do from Grip; plus you get Absolute Law, which is game breaking in your worst matchups. With Green, I had been testing Steely Resolve, but it still left you cold to Devastating Dreams or Firespout, which are both kicked in the dick by Law. So, in my opinion, STP or no, you still get far more value from the White splash than the Green - under the assumption that you're removing Goyf anyway. That argument is one I've made my mind up on, but you all may agree or disagree.

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Where are you pulling 15/15 thrasher from? I mean, that's a) kinda overkill, and b) nearly impossible to do.

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Well, Thrasher grows pretty fast. Especially in the mid-/lategame when you have some lords and done some reejerey untap action.
For a: It's kinda cute if you win the game with it and b)pretty cool if you actually can pull that off. Of course it's just toying, but it gives you smileys when it happens.

@ Thread: I like Nightmare's splash version but am afraid that it weakens you in the mirror due to being more vulnerable to stifle but I have to try that first before making an ultimate statement.
cheers.

Hello,
Its been awhile since i've played merfolk, and based on the current topic which is splashing color im just curious having seen STP on the SB slot, what do STP in the board actually do ?

I know STP sloves any creature threat but.., it also gives life to your opponent which i think is counter productive. Isn't that merfolk deck is supposed to played aggressivly. Having the moto of don't worry about your opponents threat, let them worry about yours...

Before merfolk sovereign came, pyroclasm, eng plauge and alike are problems but having 12 lord effects helps in that situation i used to like splashing white aswell especially when the meta is red heavy for absolute law and stp split with pte if im faced with burn ill go with stp faced with aggro pte.

Merfolk Sovereign is a very nice addition to the merfolk deck, i've also added 4 in my merfolk deck and ill be testing if ill cut wake thrasher or tidalwarrior.

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I know STP sloves any creature threat but.., it also gives life to your opponent which i think is counter productive. Isn't that merfolk deck is supposed to played aggressivly. Having the moto of don't worry about your opponents threat, let them worry about yours...

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If you play the mana denial version with Stifles, the lifegain isn't that much of a problem. If you play the beatdown version with Wake Thrashers instead of Stifles, the land from Path to Exile isn't that much of a problem.

@Green splash: the only useful things you can get are Tarmogoyf and Krosan Grip. They're not really needed, we have better things for that. Ofcourse there are instances where a deck with green splash does well, but there are alot more instances where monoblue does well. The white splash with only white cards in the sideboard is a relative new idea, so it's worth testing.

@Misdirection: I don't like this card, just like FoW it's straight-up carddisadvantage. Only it's alot more narrow than FoW, and I'm already having troubles trying to keep a blue card in my hand for FoW, because usually I'd like to put them all on the table. As far as I can tell, Misdirection is only good against decks like Eva Green or The Rock. Misdirecting a Hymn to Tourach is the tech. But I think there are better things to use against these decks: Submerge, Jitte, Echoing Truth, Threads of Disloyalty and Relic of Progenitus. These are all alot less narrow than Misdirection, so I don't see a slot in the sideboard for that card.

Siding in a Misdirection versus combo seems like a bad plan to me: yes Misdirecting a Chant seems cool, but wouldn't you rather have a Chant yourself?

Has anyone playtested sleep, either maindeck or out of the board? It seems like it'd be a solid card against other aggro decks to effectively timewalk them and hopefully get enough damage through to win.

I'm debating running a few in my board and giving them a try. 4 mana is a little hefty, but it seems like a game-breaking spell if it resolves against zoo, goyf sligh, etc.

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Has anyone playtested sleep, either maindeck or out of the board? It seems like it'd be a solid card against other aggro decks to effectively timewalk them and hopefully get enough damage through to win.

I'm debating running a few in my board and giving them a try. 4 mana is a little hefty, but it seems like a game-breaking spell if it resolves against zoo, goyf sligh, etc.

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That's actually a rather interesting choice. It effectively timewalks them for 2 turns as well. You play it during their upkeep and it locks them out their next upkeep as well. The main issue I'd have with it is the cost at 4 mana...

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That's actually a rather interesting choice. It effectively timewalks them for 2 turns as well. You play it during their upkeep and it locks them out their next upkeep as well. The main issue I'd have with it is the cost at 4 mana...

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Unfortunately it is a Sorcery. Since you are on the topic of "tap creatures", there is also Turnabout and Ensnare

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Originally Posted by kabal

Unfortunately it is a Sorcery. Since you are on the topic of "tap creatures", there is also Turnabout and Ensnare

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Thanks, missed that. Hadn't seen the card before and when I looked it up I just assumed it was an instant. Still, it clears blockers for you for two turns, though only prevents them from attacking for one.

I would play Cryptic Command before playing Sleep. In Merfolk, :u::u::u: isn't that much of a problem.

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Originally Posted by Seb

I would play Cryptic Command before playing Sleep. In Merfolk, :u::u::u: isn't that much of a problem.

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I doubt that except you are playing without Wastelands and Mutavaults.

Ideally, you have enough damage on the board to either win in 2 attack phases, or at least come dangerously close.

Sleep in your pre-combat phase, attack, they take their turn with tapped creatures, then you can swing again.

I think I may just throw this in my board tonight and give it a whirl (if I see any aggro).

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I would play Cryptic Command before playing Sleep. In Merfolk, :u::u::u: isn't that much of a problem.

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That would be a great inclusion.


















..in Standard Merfolks.

Test 30 (or less if you don't play frequently) normal testgames.

Then tell me at what turn u could play Cryptic Command on average. Then tell me if it changed the gamestate, then tell me if you win with cryptic command and how many games u lost because of a Cryptic Command in your openinghand instead of an other (powerful turn 1-3) card.
Also include the decks you played against.

By doing this you can simply say if one card is right for this deck or not, atleast I can.

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Originally Posted by Nightmare

It's a question of context. I would never say that as a late-game top deck, Sovereign is better than Goyf - it isn't. However, Goyf doesn't really contribute much to the deck, or improve any of the other cards you're playing with. Sovereign is much better in this deck, based on synergy much more than raw power.

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Of course, context is everything I agree; I only spoke in absolutes for the sake of brevity. I'm really beginning to like your list more and more. I think the main is about as good as it can get (still looking for an alternative to stifle though) and the sideboard is close.

I've made some minor changes due to personal preference, but I don't know if I can really claim a huge difference: 3 deltas/4 islands and -2 "steal shit" slots for +1 law, +1 jitte. When you have the chance to do more testing of your own, I'd love to see results. I want to eventually try and run the best UW and UG decks I can find against a gauntlet of aggro and combo matches to put them to the test.

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Hmm, I don't believe that's a play mistake. When he casts reset, he then gets priority first. He can choose to either pass, or play his twincast immediately. If he passes and you pass (don't counter), reset resolves and he can't twincast it. The only way he can twincast is to cast it immediately, before you have a chance to counter, and then, of course, you can respond to that. Mind you, I don't know other board position info, but if he really needed to twincast his reset, it was the only way to go. Outside of cheating and pausing for a significant amount of time to see if you'll say anything.

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It was me, and it's entirely not debatable as to whether it was a play mistake, because math says that it wasn't. The board state was that I had six lands and 4 cards in hand, one of which was dead. The relevant cards were Reset, Twincast, and Cunning Wish. I had no Tide, nor did I have access to Tide (no Flash in my graveyard, nothing like that). Here was my thought process:

1. I can Reset and Twincast it, which beats Daze and loses immediately to Force (keep in mind I floated UU).
2. I can Reset and he can choose not to Force (but has it): I have access to 8 mana now. I cast Wish with UU floating and 1 land, leaving 5 open. He Forces, I Twincast Wish. What do I get? The plan is Meditate, obviously, but that taps me out and I'm still dead on board.
3. I can Reset, he can Force, I Twincast with UU floating, I have 6 untapped lands. I could get Meditate and now we're in the same exact position as before.

Conclusion: If he has Force, I lose. If he doesn't, I get access to 8 mana with a Reset on the stack. I get to Wish for Meditate and Meditate, leaving 2 mana floating and a Reset on the stack. From there, I have a shot at winning. Using Twincast as a counterspell was not an option, and my only choice was to proceed as though he was holding Lord of Atlantises and Aether Vials. As he had Daze x 2 + Force, though, I lost.

Yeah, play mistakes from a Solidarity player aren't always easy to figure out :). So you're saying, given the board/hand position, you had to twincast your reset. I can buy that.

I was actually the one defending you in this case :-P. I wasn't sure whether the poster was indicating that you made a play mistake in playing twincast on reset, which is entirely contextual, or that you made a play mistake in not passing priority before twincasting your reset, which you just can't do.

Going to test this build in a heavy, HEAVY red aggro meta because I am a glutton for punishment. I don't have any standstills at the moment and Mutavaults are on their way.

20 Land:
4 Flooded Strand
2 Plains
4 Tundra
10 Island

18 Spells:
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Harm's Way

22 Merfolk:
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merfolk Reejerey
4 Merfolk Sovereign
4 Sivergill Adept
4 Cursecatcher
2 Sygg, River Guide

15 Sideboard:
3 Rule of Law/Mark of Asylum
2 Jitte
3 Disenchant
2 Sower of Temptation
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Hydroblast

- A quick word on the janky cards (ie Harm's Way and Sygg, the River Guide): I've wanted to test harm's way since it was first printed and a meta filled with lightning bolts seems to be the perfect meta to do just that. Though I am sure it would be better served as something else I am very curious about how cool it can be. And Sygg the river guide seems like he would thrive in a removal heavy meta. Sure he can slow you down quite a bit, but if you drop him with 2 mana open he will rule a creature standoff.
- Ancestral vision is my standstill replacement because I won't be able to get some until after the tournament. Because no standstill I decided to replace vial with some more business spells, mainly sygg and harm's way. Probably not going to be as good, but I want to see if the deck does any better in a different direction.
- I am a big proponent of the splash version and have been since day 1. The advantages far far outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion. That being said, are their any suggestions for this build, keeping in mind what I already said about the Standstills, Vials, and Mutavaults? I am obviously going for a quicker, less mana denial version given my meta, hence no stifles as well. Thanks for any input.

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Going to test this build in a heavy, HEAVY red aggro meta because I am a glutton for punishment. I don't have any standstills at the moment and Mutavaults are on their way.

20 Land:
4 Flooded Strand
2 Plains
4 Tundra
10 Island

18 Spells:
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Ancestral Vision
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Harm's Way

22 Merfolk:
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merfolk Reejerey
4 Merfolk Sovereign
4 Sivergill Adept
4 Cursecatcher
2 Sygg, River Guide

15 Sideboard:
3 Rule of Law/Mark of Asylum
2 Jitte
3 Disenchant
2 Sower of Temptation
3 Relic of Progenitus
2 Hydroblast

- A quick word on the janky cards (ie Harm's Way and Sygg, the River Guide): I've wanted to test harm's way since it was first printed and a meta filled with lightning bolts seems to be the perfect meta to do just that. Though I am sure it would be better served as something else I am very curious about how cool it can be. And Sygg the river guide seems like he would thrive in a removal heavy meta. Sure he can slow you down quite a bit, but if you drop him with 2 mana open he will rule a creature standoff.
- Ancestral vision is my standstill replacement because I won't be able to get some until after the tournament. Because no standstill I decided to replace vial with some more business spells, mainly sygg and harm's way. Probably not going to be as good, but I want to see if the deck does any better in a different direction.
- I am a big proponent of the splash version and have been since day 1. The advantages far far outweigh the disadvantages in my opinion. That being said, are their any suggestions for this build, keeping in mind what I already said about the Standstills, Vials, and Mutavaults? I am obviously going for a quicker, less mana denial version given my meta, hence no stifles as well. Thanks for any input.

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-4 AV
+4 Brainstorm.

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-4 AV
+4 Brainstorm.

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QFT, You won't be able to control the game enough to the extent to actually benefit from AV. BS is the best card in that slot. Even more so since you run fetches. As everyone knows, BS + Fetches = Win.

Anyone tinkered around much with Misdirection? I've had good luck with it thus far. I've misdirected STP's, burn back to Zoo's creatures, Chant back to storm combo, and my personal favorite, tapping an Aether Vial with no counters on it and Misdirecting a Stifle aimed at a turn 2 Dreadnought to it against Dreadstill. My list is as follows.

13 Island
4 Mutavault
3 Wasteland

4 Cursecatcher
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merrow Reejerey
4 Wake Thrasher

4 Aether Vial
4 Standstill
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Misdirection

SB:
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Hydroblast
4 Stifle
2 Hibernation
1 Wasteland

I played 2 Misdirection in the SB along with 2 Divert but it was almost never relevant. So I didnt play it anymore.

Taco, I keep swapping between Misdirection and BeB. The hardest part with Misdirection for me has been what to side out in its place. Honestly I have liked exchanging it for FoW. But that is obv pretty damned imperfect.

Finn, I don't know if this is a Captain Obvious statement or something, but unless you're going to be on the play, it's a pretty good rule to side out the Dazes, unless the deck you're playing against is mana light. Siding out FoW seems a little crazy to me, but I can see how it could be correct.

More often than not though I'd side out Standstill, Stifle, a couple creatures, Daze, even a Vial or two, before I move out FoW. It's like, our last line of defense.

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I played 2 Misdirection in the SB along with 2 Divert but it was almost never relevant. So I didnt play it anymore.

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What were you playing against? In my last five matches I drew Misdirection six times (I think, might have been seven). Among these six I misdirected a Plow, a Bolt, a Hymn, and the aforementioned Stifle. The other two times I pitched it to a Force once and drew it when the game was already in hand the other time (or Times.)

I think it's stronger main due to its versatility than in board, where it's not really enough of a powerhouse against any one thing to board in. Just an idea though.

Also, yeah, I can't see boarding out Force like, ever.

Has anybody tried using Vindicate in this deck? It seems to be an uber promising spell since Wastelands arent enough to mana screw or slow somebody down and a lot of lists have cut Stifles. Also, Vindicates give you an out against Counterbalance if you dont have an AEther Vial down. Here's what I have so far


// Lands 21
4 Wasteland
3 Mutavault
4 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
3 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Swamp
1 Island


// Creatures 20
4 Cursecatcher
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Dark Confidant
2 Silvergil Adept
3 Merrow Reejerey
3 Wake Thrasher


// Spells 19
4 AEther Vial
4 Force of Will
4 Vindicate
3 Daze
4 Thoughtseize


// Sideboard 15
4 Swords to Plowshares
11 cards yet to be added


Dark Confidants and Thoughtseizes are really fucking amazing. Dark Confidants are a better alternative to Standstills and is actually a bad ass in this deck. People throw removal at you all the time, so resolving a Confidant and having it stick is quite frequent. Thoughtseizes also protect Confidant. Thoughtseize is a bad ass addition too. Being able to take out better creatures, board sweepers and such makes this card golden.

Anyways, any opinions?

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Has anybody tried using Vindicate in this deck? It seems to be an uber promising spell since Wastelands arent enough to mana screw or slow somebody down and a lot of lists have cut Stifles. Also, Vindicates give you an out against Counterbalance if you dont have an AEther Vial down. Here's what I have so far


// Lands 21
4 Wasteland
3 Mutavault
4 Polluted Delta
3 Flooded Strand
3 Tundra
2 Underground Sea
1 Swamp
1 Island


// Creatures 20
4 Cursecatcher
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Dark Confidant
2 Silvergil Adept
3 Merrow Reejerey
3 Wake Thrasher


// Spells 19
4 AEther Vial
4 Force of Will
4 Vindicate
3 Daze
4 Thoughtseize


// Sideboard 15
4 Swords to Plowshares
11 cards yet to be added


Dark Confidants and Thoughtseizes are really fucking amazing. Dark Confidants are a better alternative to Standstills and is actually a bad ass in this deck. People throw removal at you all the time, so resolving a Confidant and having it stick is quite frequent. Thoughtseizes also protect Confidant. Thoughtseize is a bad ass addition too. Being able to take out better creatures, board sweepers and such makes this card golden.

Anyways, any opinions?

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I'm gonna get it out of the way and go ahead and tell you I expect you'll have problems with your mana base.

Vindicate is nice and everything, but relying on two splash colors to be able to play one card is a very risky proposition, considering Wasteland is one of the most prevalent cards in this format.

I'm a proponent of splashing, or at least trying it out. But I think you're spreading yourself a little too thin. One of the strengths of this deck is its consistency, and the more you splash, the more you sacrifice this consistency, and limit your potential for explosive starts.

3-color Merfolk just feels weird.

Also, there's this card called Standstill. If you're running Wasteland, Mutavault, Aether Vial, and threats? You really oughta run it. The right number is somewhere between 4-6, depending on how willing you are to risk disqualification.

I just picked up the deck this week so forgive any noobiness.

Is it just me, or does this deck seem kinda tight on slots? I usually end up with a 20/20/20 split of creatures, land and spells. from what I see, this deck is pretty set on the core of the deck being:

4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Merfolk Reejerey
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Curse Catcher

4 Force of Will
4 Daze
4 AEther Vial
4 Standstill

18-22 Land (Waste, Islands, Fetch, Duals, Manlands)

If what I've understood is correct, there's 10 slots to really play with. What's the verdict on Sovereign vs Wake Thrasher? I've heard people say that 12 Lords is awesome and I've also heard that Thrasher is an absolute house (and kind of like a Merfolk Piledriver). 4 seems like an obvious number for either, regardless. And how about Tidal Warrior? I've felt that he's been both awesome and awful depending on the match.

Also, what is the general opinion of Kira? Sygg (U/B one)?

Thrasher is ridiculous. He's also the complete opposite of a Merfolk Piledriver. Piledriver is huge when you've got a hoard of Goblins. Thrasher is still pretty big even when all your other Merfolk get taken down.

I'm not a huge fan of Sovereign. Played him, and I see the allure of him, but I just wasn't overly impressed. If I were going to run him, he'd have to be Merfolk 21-24 (And this is possible, I haven't ruled out a 22+ threat build. It's next on my test list.)

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Thrasher is ridiculous. He's also the complete opposite of a Merfolk Piledriver. Piledriver is huge when you've got a hoard of Goblins. Thrasher is still pretty big even when all your other Merfolk get taken down.

I'm not a huge fan of Sovereign. Played him, and I see the allure of him, but I just wasn't overly impressed. If I were going to run him, he'd have to be Merfolk 21-24 (And this is possible, I haven't ruled out a 22+ threat build. It's next on my test list.)

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When I called him Merfolk Piledriver, I was mostly referring to him being the big scary finisher and the biggest attacker of the deck :P I should have been more clear.

I never even thought about running 12Lord+Thrasher. Usually my last 10 slots (from the "core" i posted) go to 2 Thrasher (only own 2 atm), 2 Tidal Warrior. Then my last 6 are 4 Brainstorm and 2 land or 4 Stifle 2 PD or 2 land.

Anyone have thoughts on Mark of Asylum? Pingveno mentioned it and it seems like a a decent inclusion in a white splash in a burn heavy meta.

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When I called him Merfolk Piledriver, I was mostly referring to him being the big scary finisher and the biggest attacker of the deck :P I should have been more clear.

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He is that.:) He's just a bit better because he can do it fairly well without assistance. Shame he doesn't get protection from red to match the Piledriver's pro-blue.

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I never even thought about running 12Lord+Thrasher. Usually my last 10 slots (from the "core" i posted) go to 2 Thrasher (only own 2 atm), 2 Tidal Warrior. Then my last 6 are 4 Brainstorm and 2 land or 4 Stifle 2 PD or 2 land.

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Whereas I'm not running the splash, so I could easily go 20 land, 4 Daze, 4 Standstill, 4 Force, 4 Vial, 24 Merfolk if I really wanted.

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Anyone have thoughts on Mark of Asylum? Pingveno mentioned it and it seems like a a decent inclusion in a white splash in a burn heavy meta.

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Why this over Absolute Law, though? What besides like, Sword of Fire and Ice and Psionic Blast is Mark of Asylum going to protect you from that Absolute Law won't? And Absolute Law lets you swing through red guys as well.