Avacyn Restored Card Discussion [SIMMERING POT OF FECAL MATTER]

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Originally Posted by I am the brainwasher

I am pretty undecided if I should find this insaneley dumb or hilarious.
I'll stick to both, I guess?

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Depends on if it pans out I guess.

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Originally Posted by Suneloon

Removing interaction does not make MTG a better game.

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Pretty much every instance of interaction is done to prevent the opponent from interacting with us in the first place.

Anyway, we could take a closer look at Progenitus, Emrakul, Thrun, Counterbalance, Enchantress, Belcher, and the Storm combo archetype. Perhaps Reanimator and Dredge, too.

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Originally Posted by SpikeyMikey

Meh. It'd have to be 3 and even then I'm not sure it'd see play. Night's Whisper doesn't see play anymore...

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Night's Whisper isn't red and isn't instant. Black already has quite a few good draw options, this however opens up a lot of power to decks like UR Delver and burn.

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Originally Posted by Kich867

Night's Whisper isn't red and isn't instant. Black already has quite a few good draw options, this however opens up a lot of power to decks like UR Delver and burn.

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Does Delver usually keep so few cards in hand that this wouldn't be worse than, say, Tolarian Winds? Or are you saying the option would be for even more aggressive play?

The UG one seems to have been spoiled:

:tap: Add :1: to your mana Pool.
:u::g:, :tap: nonland spells you own have flash until end of turn.

Maybe nice in Spring Tide, I guess.

I think Entreat the Angels doesn't get the feedback it deserves. The card seems completely broken to me.

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Originally Posted by Nonex

Pretty much every instance of interaction is done to prevent the opponent from interacting with us in the first place.

Anyway, we could take a closer look at Progenitus, Emrakul, Thrun, Counterbalance, Enchantress, Belcher, and the Storm combo archetype. Perhaps Reanimator and Dredge, too.

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decks that are built to achieve uninteractiviness is one thing, single cards that are completely unintercative is another thing.

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Originally Posted by SpikeyMikey

Thirded. I don't want Legacy to turn into Standard. There's a reason people jump the Standard ship for Legacy and it's not our collective shining personality. The format sucks, and it sucks because there's no decent countermagic available. If you were at a bar and Standard, Modern and Legacy were all sitting there, Legacy would be the hot chick, Modern would be the one you'll take home at 2am if nothing else is available and Standard would be the huge hose-beast that you wouldn't fuck even if she offered you a free bottle of Johnny Walker and all the bacon you could eat. Oh wait, I shouldn't have said that. It was sexist. Jackie Lee is going to turn up and scold me now.

Gheizen: When you're going off, you're doing so at sorcey speed because Tendrils is a sorcery. Much like Reforge, you could use it as a hedge against fizzles or running into a wall of countermagic or discard stripping your hand down, but those scenarios are rare and not worth diluting your deck for.

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I'm strictly talking of non-combo applications here, because in combo i'm pretty sure you wouldn't play tolarian wind either.

Something may or may not get banned, but I suspect that after the set comes out, there will be FAR more butthurt over some of these cards. I think it's reasonable to see a meta-shift in Legacy after this set comes out.

Any single card most likely would not shift the meta, but miracle time walks and wheels of fortunes? A demon that acts like Necropotence for Reanimator/Sneak Attack decks? Lands that make Tribal better? A new red creautre/burn card that could make aggro decks faster? I think the combination of ALL of the cards from the set are going to cause Legacy to change.

Cavern of souls is fucking ridiculous. Out of all the cards spoiled so far this one has me the most concerned. So now hierarchs, moms, thalias and knights are all uncounterable? Unbelievable. What a fuck.

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Originally Posted by DLifshitz

Mana abilities can't be targeted.

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Then ... (drumroll) Stifle the comes into battlefield ability. They never choose a type and they have themselves a Blasted Landscape.

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Originally Posted by Tao

I think Entreat the Angels doesn't get the feedback it deserves. The card seems completely broken to me.

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I agree. I predict that it'll be wicked in UW Counterbalance. CMC 3 fits nicely into their counterbalance curve. End of turn spin top, draw make 2,3,4... flying 4/4s. Sucker. It will be great.

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Originally Posted by DragoFireheart

Any single card most likely would not shift the meta, but miracle time walks and wheels of fortunes? A demon that acts like Necropotence for Reanimator/Sneak Attack decks? Lands that make Tribal better? A new red creautre/burn card that could make aggro decks faster? I think the combination of ALL of the cards from the set are going to cause Legacy to change.

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You leave Griselbrand out of this! Griselbrand is awesome! :D

Seriously, I am loving this set so far.

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Originally Posted by Darkenslight

The UG one seems to have been spoiled:

:tap: Add :1: to your mana Pool.
:u::g:, :tap: nonland spells you own have flash until end of turn.

Maybe nice in Spring Tide, I guess.

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Man, this set is just awkward. This is probably too expensive to use but why the hell do we get such broken effects on lands?

Also, Entreat the Angels is hot yeah. Awesome variation of Decree of Justice. I want to be captain obvious and point out Personal Tutor again, but I'll resist the temptation. Brainstorm and Top are much more stable. You can cast Entreat the Angels during your opponents attack-step and block all his dudes by Sensei's Divining Top-ing this thing. I likes.

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Originally Posted by Oiolosse

I agree. I predict that it'll be wicked in UW Counterbalance. CMC 3 fits nicely into their counterbalance curve. End of turn spin top, draw make 2,3,4... flying 4/4s. Sucker. It will be great.

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Counterbalance will be ass against Maverick decks that can cast uncounterable Knights/Thalias/MoMs.

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Originally Posted by nedleeds

Then ... (drumroll) Stifle the comes into battlefield ability. They never choose a type and they have themselves a Blasted Landscape.

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"As Cavern of Souls enters the battlefield, choose a creature type."

Don't think you can Stifle that either.

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Originally Posted by Tao

I think Entreat the Angels doesn't get the feedback it deserves. The card seems completely broken to me.

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The Miracle cost on it makes it very attractive and the non-miracle casting cost comes in under the cost of Decree of Justice. I am assuming whatever decks used to play Decree can handle the triple white so this does look quite good. Angel Stax anyone?

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Originally Posted by nedleeds

Then ... (drumroll) Stifle the comes into battlefield ability. They never choose a type and they have themselves a Blasted Landscape.

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Doesn't work. It's a replacement effect, not a triggered ability. The card is stifle-proof on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Stall_19

It's real.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/642...nadeanimas.jpg

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Meet an old friend

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/lg/27.jpg

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Originally Posted by nedleeds

Meet an old friend

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/lg/27.jpg

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Oh that is just fucking mean. R/B Goblins with that combination?