Oh, Sword. Did not think of that. It blanks Bolt, it gains back some of the life that Tomb takes from us and it gets back anything useful (Jaya) that dies. Also, it gives Painter pro Swords to Plowshares. I like it.
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Oh, Sword. Did not think of that. It blanks Bolt, it gains back some of the life that Tomb takes from us and it gets back anything useful (Jaya) that dies. Also, it gives Painter pro Swords to Plowshares. I like it.
Congrats on the top 4 Capn.
Was the semi-final match the only one with you on camera?
Not to be a dink but it is a little ironic that you lost to Miracles. I'm just saying that match-up totally sucks, especially when the Miracles player drags it on for 30 extra turns.
I am still having really poor match ups with Miracles as well. I am still trying to get my head around how we can beat them without really being lucky. I think my record vs miracles is around 25% at this time. For some reason, I do not seem to be able to "practice" playing with them. I only see them during the daily event. I think Wizard may have to do something. IN MTGO with the auto shuffle etc, they already almost always run out of time if it goes into game three. In real life, Many just run out of time. At least in my game shops tournament whenever I see them competing. At least in MTGO you can see that they are taking their own time. In real life games, they basically are taking 2/3 of the 50 mins allocated game time with the topping and pondering and brainstorming.....Quote:
Originally Posted by drude1
And now with the new goblin prison deck ( 8 moon effects in main deck) being played quite a bit, I believe many folks will be starting to include basics in their deck. Still IP managed to get 2 top 16's in the last event. So it still has some legs left!
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Originally Posted by drude1
Yup only one on camera.
Yea karma got me. I was talking shit about miracles and then it got away from me. Mcbain is definitely right though. I misplayed hard in game three by getting aggressive with the painter. There wasn't any real reason to do that since I was holding three blasts with another on top. Even if moon got destroyed, I would have been able to counter anything I really cared about like that balance the turn after. I also should have suspected a reb when he left his tundra untapped over his island. Basically the one-of weartear wrecked me and I wasn't considering it. So that's on me Game 2 after rewatching I should have played the preemptive ratchet bomb instead of painter because he was still doing nothing to pressure me.
To be fair, I wasn't going to scoop to the balance lock because a) I was able to get out of the first one and b) if I could have lucksacked into big daddy koth early into both cb locks it would have actually brought it home.
Oh well. It was definitely winnable, I just went for the aggressive line of playing painter into untap next turn with three vindicates at the ready and go after his two basics. Got punished by the one-ofs, I was trying to play around the other stuff.
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Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook
Still congrats on getting top 4. Could you share a little on why you decided on fireblast in your sideboard instead of firebolt? Did you get to use it often in your match up?
Lol I seen that too I'm 99% sure they meant Firebolt :PQuote:
Originally Posted by oliverpool
Yeah, I assume the fireblast was a missprint. How did the sword of L & S treat you yesterday? the card intrigues me, although I'm not sure exactly which MUs you bring it in (let me guess, Esper deathblade? :rolleyes: )
White-bordered blasts/tutors and black-bordered Plateaus?
Jack lives in bizzaro world.
I am sure it's for when you top and see a white boarder you can breath easy knowing you got something good coming.
They looked miscut as well (I.e., level you all up). Although I prefer German red blasts.
Well, Roter Urknall and Pyroknall is always a pleasure :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mcbain
The rebs are all miscut. two revised and one unlimited. 1/4 pyros is miscut, but I like the 5th edition wb more because the red color is brighter and resembles the color of recruiter much more than ice age. The e tutors are wb mainly because they were the cheapest on hand when i needed to build white splash a day before a tourney and they also 'match' the recs in being white border searchers. Might eventually get mirage for older set principle. Also will eventually find three more 5th miscut pyros. And I don't know if i eventually will make all the rebs the same or not. For now I'm content and will pick something up if it catches my fancy.
I'll write a report sometime this week. For anyone curious, my matchups were pretty sweet.
Wins:
Dnt
ug post
merfolk
rug
team america
sneak show
uw blade
rg lands x2
lost to miracles and ur delver. also drew vs miracles. would have died on turn 6 to keranos, but I punted earlier in the match by rushing and mis-stacking my top and putting painter on top and the 5th mana source for stone activation on the bottom.
Sword helps attrition based matchups and ones with excess burn, as one connection is +1 card advantage and it also gives stp and decay protection. I've also liked it vs control to make one dumb creature becomes a decent threat. Plus you get synergy of g-stoning yourself to find a target for the shadow part of the ability for further advantage. Only drew it once on the day vs bbd in my draw miracle. got in once with a rec, milled myself pre-damage but no creature popped up in the yard. Pretty sure it ate a wear the turn after.
Grats on the finish. Would be most interested in hearing about your board plan. I am running same 60 and a grafdigger's cage instead of 1 crypt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook
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Originally Posted by Calculoso
I thought of doing the same, doesn't it hurt you though ? (welder)
I can see it would be especially good against elves, which is usually a race to put out the bridge before they trample you with behemoth
Against elves the tradeoff is normally worth it. If they can't get their reclamation sage on command or NO into hoof it seems worth it to lose the welder interaction. The problem that I have run into more often in that matchup with cage is Firebolt, which I bring in a pair of generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by GradStudent
Unless you are comboing or revoking something with welder, you can swap in bridges which has been one of the better cards for me in the matchup.
That said, I am 2-3 match-wise against elves. Would be interested to hear Jack's plan against elves. Has anyone ever tried Ali from Cairo in SB? Would work nicely against elves losing only to DRS at that point. Don't know what other matchups it would work in though.
Against dredge I side out the welders (trying to rely on RiP mostly) and reanimator cage still seems okay. Haven't played against the matchup much though.
Where I can find your decklist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook
SCG top8 decks for the tournament.
Starcitygames.com :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Tiago
EDIT: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=72344
That list is wrong. Firebolts over fireblasts.
Here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post708885
Jack, why do not you use Pirokinesis in place of Firebolt?
My guess would be Pyrokenesis is card disadvantage plus Firebolt has synergy with (GRINSTONE lol), as well as not being able to hit a Player/Planeswalker is relevant. There is only a few important creatures Firebolt doesnt kill, Goyf, Serra Avenger, Painter etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiago
It's only card disadvantage if you only hit one target. So far with boarding them in, I have yet to not at least 2 for 2 or 3 for 2. Fun too with naming red you can pitch useless cards in your hand to it.
What kind of sinergy firebolt get with welder?
Im sorry I meant with Grindstone lol. If for some reason you need to Grind yourself and Firebolt hits the bin you can flash it back.Quote:
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Originally Posted by jake556
I imagined!! I'll play saturday and I will make some tests.
If we think about it, there is a nice interaction with welder and firebolt. We can exchange a enemy's jitte for a revoker and then bolt revoker. :wink::laugh:
I had the pleasure of playing with Sudden Demise tonight at my local store in the monoR version....
It's a freakin' BEAST!!! :D
If you haven't tried the card, I urge you to do so, it's so fun to play it and your OP is caught off guard :D
Sudden Demise works very well, I've been tried it. But I exchange it for Martyr of Ashes, because it is fetch able. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by phoenix4
Hope to see your report soon. Could not find your semifinal match on line. Is it posted already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook
I am starting to have more success with Miracles now. Beaten 3 miracles player in a row! Long may it continue!
However another hard deck to beat has come up. The "newer" UG Delver with 4 wasteland and 4 stifle 4 daze and Nimble Mongoose/Goyf is really hard to beat. They can practically operate on 1-2 mana. With Stifle and daze threat, its almost hard to decide to go for it or wait another turn. Fetchlands almost seem like a liability against them. What is the suggested style of play against this deck?
I guess that is like RUG Delver but no red? If I'm using the stock Shortcake list, I would probably take out 4 Blood Moons and 2 Revokers. Throw in 1 Rest in Peace, 2 Tormod's Crypt, 1 Ensnaring bridge, 1 Red Blast, 1 Trinisphere. Regarding to play style, I would treat it like RUG Delver. Try not to miss early land drops, play around Stifles and taxing counters. Once you think you have enough mana for their taxing counters or have enough mana for counter war, then you go off. I would think Goblin Welder would be a beast and they have trouble answering it without red.Quote:
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Awesome report and congrats! I can attest the main 60 is pretty flawless at this point.
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Jack:
Care to talk about sideboarding strategeries any? I notice you like to take out your CA on the draw, sometimes your Petals as well, and that you still go for the GS kill against SnT. Is it a question of switching from aggro to control in a given matchup?
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Pretty sure Sarkhan will be better than Koth bc his first two abilities are better than Koth's. An ultimate Koth is still an Achievement I have yet to unlock, but in all fairness, if you tick a planeswalker that does 4 damage a turn up to ultimate, why isn't the opp dead already? Also, Sarkhas ultimate isn't the worst for a deck abusing Goblin Welder. I saw mention of the card in recent pages/posts, is there a consensus on the card or even a discussion?
I'm not fond of sarkhan. His +1 ability turns him into a creature that can be swords to plowshared. His ultimate doesn't win the game under a bridge like koth's one does. Sure, sarkhan's first two abilities are more powerful in a vacuum, but koth is a better alternative win condition. And koth costs one less that is very relevant.
I don't see Sarkhan working for us. Wizards has been so close to giving us the 'walker we need a couple times. Dack Fayden in all red would've been perfect. A combination of Koth and Chandra's abilities on one walker would've been great (basically Chandra's +0 ability on Koth).
I'm still hoping the new Commander product will give us a good Jaya walker. Unfortunately, even if they do, she's likely to cost 6+ mana as she'll be "commander eligible."
For my fellow mono-red players, Jonathan Suarez got 10th last weekend as well.
I think Jonathan's list is a great statement on the strength of a number of things. Firstly, experience goes a LONG way with painter. He has preformed well on numerous accounts of the years and this is no different. Second, the strength of ensnaring bridge. Previous build Jonathan has played always used them in the board. This build he ran was very similar to what Jandex and I played for a while. The deck feels solid, solid as in slower and not as nimble as the shortcake bit still really strong. I have been going back and forth between these two decks.
One thing that did catch my eye wad the EIGHTH red blast. Man.
This is exemplified in the recent SCG stream where jack triple blast his way back into a nearly impossible miracles match up.
I read a article saying that there was 7 decks in the top 8 (no prize for guessing the only top 8 deck without brainstorm) in the last open that played with 4 brainstorm. And something like 13 in top 16 that played with 4 ponders as well. Some were even talking about banning them as it was becoming a norm that they had to be in a deck to do well. Seems like only Elves and Painter does not play with them. This fact in itself almost means that we can probably get away with having the last 2 REB in our sideboard if you are familiar with your meta. I mean once you have 4 Brainstorm, add a few spell pierce or daze.. then why not FOW etc etc.... that seems almost like a recipe for all top decks these days.Quote:
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I wish WOTC will print a walker that is more suitable then koth to be used in our main deck. Something like Jace which is in almost all blue control decks. Its just fun to be able to play a walker sometimes.
Yes a red Jace-like-planeswalker would be awesome :smile:
Apart from that I would like to ask you guys about the following cards. Like all of you I was looking for a card that is able to win the game by it's own. It shouldn't be easy to remove for the opponent and it would be perfect if this card could do something in the defense.
First card is Assemble the Legion. It can win in 4 turns, does a lot in the defense and works perfectly with Bridge. Great against Miracle and grindy match ups? What do you guys thinck?
The other card is Keranos god of storms. Firstly I know there is 1u in the casting cost, but if you would look on this card as a mono red cc5 card. This card is a win condition, does some work in the defense, not easy to handle, generate card advantage, can be abused with Top.
Both cards can be tutored for. What do you thinck. Worth testing?
Pretty much everything is worth testing. Your job is to come here and report what you have learned from your testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by StefN
I would argue that chandra Pyro master is that red planeswalker right now. I played her as a one of in the sideboard last night. She was a house against miracles. With top you are almost brainstorming and her bounce ability actually just kills things. One game I had bridge, koth, moon, chandra.... I've been more impressed with chandra then koth lately.