[DTB] Sneak Attack

So we've been talking about grave hate against Reanimator and Dredge. I've gone back to an old reliable from when WotC first unbanned entomb and I've started running Faerie Macabre and I've gone back to that for Reanimator and I've loved it. Can't counter it, can't respond to it and IT'S FREE. So I've gone to that for Reanimator and it's worked perfectly. I don't like the cage because it just seems spotty at best and has none of the advantages against reanimator that the Faerie has. For Dredge I like Pyroclasm to take care of Zombie tokens. So anyways that's my 2 cents.

Faerie Macabre is a real pain in the ass to play around from reanimator's perspective.

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Originally Posted by rxavage

LOL, I played horrible yesterday and I faced 1 control and 6 combo decks 3 of which were elves, I had never played against before, and all of them could hardcast their Emmy somehow every turn after I would drop mine. Played a forgemaster deck and got mind slavered twice and he just drew me cards with griselbrand. I had enough counters to beat to U/w control deck I played against but I misplayed bad. I won't be making the same mistakes next week. Daze I found practically useless. Echoing truth saved my as in 2 matches and pyroclasms are going back in the board.

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I played against

Hulk Rebirth/NO (2-1)
Aggro Loam (2-0)
Bant Maverick (1-2) (Krondo9, made top 8)
Aggro Loam (2-0)
UW Miracles (1-2)
UG Elves (2-1)
Bant (1-2)

My main was posted a couple pages back with the following sideboard:

3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Through the Breach
3 Blood Moon
2 Echoing Truth
4 Leyline of Sanctity

Sucks to lose to 2 guys who were in our car and play against a 3rd (Maverick, Miracles, Elves) but shit happens.

I also played this deck at a Legacy side event at GP Anaheim, and a GPT on this last Saturday....

Legacy side event:
Dredge (2-0)
Bant (0-2)
Lands (2-0)
Sneak Show (2-0)
Elves (2-0)
UW Terminator (2-0)
UR Delver (1-2)

Then again, GPT yesterday:
Dredge (2-0)
Elves (2-0)
RUG Delver (2-0)
ID for 2 rounds
Top 8 - UW Cartel (2-0)... notice a theme?
Top 4 - Maverick (2-1)
Top 2 - Chopped the byes and Mox favorably, and I got the 3 byes to Atlanta. :D

List from Saturday:

4 Emrakul
4 Griselbrand
4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Intuition

4 Force of Will
3 Misdirection
2 Spell Pierce

4 Lotus Petal
7 fetches
2 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Mountain
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors

Sideboard:
4 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Echoing Truth
3 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm
3 Blood Moon

So a grand total of 5 games lost over 14 rounds... Deck is fair.

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Originally Posted by Koby

I also played this deck at a Legacy side event at GP Anaheim, and a GPT on this last Saturday....

Legacy side event:
Dredge (2-0)
Bant (0-2)
Lands (2-0)
Sneak Show (2-0)
Elves (2-0)
UW Terminator (2-0)
UR Delver (1-2)

Then again, GPT yesterday:
Dredge (2-0)
Elves (2-0)
RUG Delver (2-0)
ID for 2 rounds
Top 8 - UW Cartel (2-0)... notice a theme?
Top 4 - Maverick (2-1)
Top 2 - Chopped the byes and Mox favorably, and I got the 3 byes to Atlanta. :D

List from Saturday:

4 Emrakul
4 Griselbrand
4 Show and Tell
4 Sneak Attack

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
2 Preordain
2 Intuition

4 Force of Will
3 Misdirection
2 Spell Pierce

4 Lotus Petal
7 fetches
2 Volcanic Island
3 Island
1 Mountain
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors

Sideboard:
4 Grafdigger's Cage
3 Echoing Truth
3 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm
3 Blood Moon

So a grand total of 5 games lost over 14 rounds... Deck is fair.

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Congrats for byes! :) How were Cages working for you? It could be if you can counter their nature's claims and/or Chain of Vapor targeting Cage, you will be doing fine, since they arent. Were Pyroclasm enought vs. elves, rug and maveric? Or did you even side them in against rug, since there are lots of cards you could bring in against them.

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Originally Posted by Atog

Congrats for byes! :) How were Cages working for you? It could be if you can counter their nature's claims and/or Chain of Vapor targeting Cage, you will be doing fine, since they arent. Were Pyroclasm enought vs. elves, rug and maveric? Or did you even side them in against rug, since there are lots of cards you could bring in against them.

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Cages are doing exactly what I need them to do: prevent losing in the first 1-3 turns while I assemble fatties into play. Pyroclasm is against Maverick, Elves, and rarely used against RUG - Pyroblast is just better here. You can ignore their creatures and bait out their soft counters. We playtested some matchups and if they counter all your spells, you're probably not winning (cantrips included). RUG might be a tough matchup due to this. Flusterstorm could improve that scenario.

Pyroclasm is just better than Firespout because the goal isn't to kill Mongoose/Knight/Goyf. It's to kill hate-bears and destroy Elves.

I very rarely go balls-deep with Show & Tell. I prefer to put down Sneak Attack from S&T often, because it ends up being faster (attack right now) and safer (no interaction). Sometimes, Sneak'ing Emrakul off the S&T/SA setup is more than enough to effectively win, even if you need to dig for another finisher later.

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Originally Posted by Koby

Cages are doing exactly what I need them to do: prevent losing in the first 1-3 turns while I assemble fatties into play. Pyroclasm is against Maverick, Elves, and rarely used against RUG - Pyroblast is just better here. You can ignore their creatures and bait out their soft counters. We playtested some matchups and if they counter all your spells, you're probably not winning (cantrips included). RUG might be a tough matchup due to this. Flusterstorm could improve that scenario.

Pyroclasm is just better than Firespout because the goal isn't to kill Mongoose/Knight/Goyf. It's to kill hate-bears and destroy Elves.

I very rarely go balls-deep with Show & Tell. I prefer to put down Sneak Attack from S&T often, because it ends up being faster (attack right now) and safer (no interaction). Sometimes, Sneak'ing Emrakul off the S&T/SA setup is more than enough to effectively win, even if you need to dig for another finisher later.

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So Cages are there just for buying some time, not being permanent answer.

So you side in 6 cards vs. RUG (3 blood moon & 3 pyroblast?), what do you take out? Intuitions, Misdirection and cantrip?

Were elves matchups close, since that should't be good matchup because they are usually just faster than us? Sideboard gives you two cards but that isn't that much if they won't show early enought or you don't get fast starts. So is that key in that match, mulligan aggressive to fast SaT or Sneak?

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Originally Posted by The Colonel

So we've been talking about grave hate against Reanimator and Dredge. I've gone back to an old reliable from when WotC first unbanned entomb and I've started running Faerie Macabre and I've gone back to that for Reanimator and I've loved it. Can't counter it, can't respond to it and IT'S FREE. So I've gone to that for Reanimator and it's worked perfectly. I don't like the cage because it just seems spotty at best and has none of the advantages against reanimator that the Faerie has. For Dredge I like Pyroclasm to take care of Zombie tokens. So anyways that's my 2 cents.

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Cage is "spotty"? Cage locks them out of their game plan, cold.

Faerie Macabre simply nerfs one re-animation spell.

This is substantially less usefull in this match up, and across the board.

Okay guys,

there's always a point where a journey ends. My SneakAttack journey with all of you ends now. I sold all my Show and Tell-Stuff. All Enabelers, alls Creatures, all Enchantments, all Pacts. This is due to the B/R-Update in a few weeks. Even though I strongly believe that Show and Tell is not banworthy, I cannot say for sure what WotC does. I sent them the results of this poll in this forum with 25-75 for banning Show and Tell. I hope this helps to keep Show and Tell legal. I, for my part, cannot risk to lose 400€ at once. I wish all of you all the best, and keep putting up good results! Thanks for all the good discussions and conversations we had. May the force be with you.

Greetings

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Originally Posted by Philipp802

Okay guys,

there's always a point where a journey ends. My SneakAttack journey with all of you ends now. I sold all my Show and Tell-Stuff. All Enabelers, alls Creatures, all Enchantments, all Pacts. This is due to the B/R-Update in a few weeks. Even though I strongly believe that Show and Tell is not banworthy, I cannot say for sure what WotC does. I sent them the results of this poll in this forum with 25-75 for banning Show and Tell. I hope this helps to keep Show and Tell legal. I, for my part, cannot risk to lose 400€ at once. I wish all of you all the best, and keep putting up good results! Thanks for all the good discussions and conversations we had. May the force be with you.

Greetings

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Oh man, i'm feel sorry! But there is something new, and even cheaper than sneak show. Look :
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=46648

Deck can operate fine even without show and tell, because there are 8 other show and tells in deck :cool::cool::cool:. In case of baning S&T, intuition can be solid replacement, and you can play clique, leylines, krosan grip, blood moon, firespouts, trinispheres etc in sideboard.

Haha thank you :P but expenses are not the measures I choose a Legacy-deck by. Ill play the decks listed down there in my sig, but it was the unsureness about SnT getting banned or not, that forced me to make that switch..

Greetings

I don't get it... :eyebrow: Why sell everything based on an assumption that has a very low probability of actually happening??

If you are 25:75 sure they don't ban it, why sell all of it right now? Did you need the money instantly?

Well selling it off right now and then picking them up after the banning annoucement simply gives him an inconvenience picking them back up if they don't get banned (since its doubtful the price will go any higher between then). I for one have faith in Wizards not banning anything that isn't a problem.

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Originally Posted by wizard_of_gore

Oh man, i'm feel sorry! But there is something new, and even cheaper than sneak show. Look :
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=46648

Deck can operate fine even without show and tell, because there are 8 other show and tells in deck :cool::cool::cool:. In case of baning S&T, intuition can be solid replacement, and you can play clique, leylines, krosan grip, blood moon, firespouts, trinispheres etc in sideboard.

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What's funny is that I have almost all of Hypergenesis foiled out from when I tried playing the deck briefly last year.

Sadly, I think Hypergenesis is much easier to hate out than Sneaky Show. Stifle, Ethersworn Canonist, Trinisphere, Chalice @ 0, and a shaky manabase (plenty of Wasteland targets) make it fairly easy to disrupt.

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Originally Posted by JPAnghelescu

I don't get it... :eyebrow: Why sell everything based on an assumption that has a very low probability of actually happening??

If you are 25:75 sure they don't ban it, why sell all of it right now? Did you need the money instantly?

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It had 2 reasons:
1) Even though I think it doesn't deserve banning I wasn't sure about what WotC would do..
2) On the other hand, playing with this deck felt great, because you won most of your games. But, everytime you won, you were feeling like..great deck...great list...well build sideboard..but hey? My whole possible playskill didn't interact with the game at all? Making no mistakes was everything that could push your strength with this deck. You know what I mean? When you compare this to playing tempo or control, playing tempo and control just adds another level of complexity to the game, which results in a better gaming-experience.

No I didn't need the money instantly - what I did with this money is buying the last duals to finish of my "collection" of having each blue dual land 3 times. But that doesn't belong in this thread^^

But that's just my opinion. Keep on playing this strong deck and enjoy winning.

Greetings

As mentioned in another thread, legacy has such a critical mass of cheatafattyintoplay enablers, that banning Show & Tell won't stop Griselbrand from eating the format. Jumping the wagon may be a bit premature. Survival took a good 6 months of shenanigans before it finally received the ban.

In other news, I won a GPT with Sneak Attack on Saturday. Nothing exciting to say about the maindeck. Sideboard:

4x Grafdigger's Cage
3x Red Elemental Blast
3x Blood Moon
2x Engineered Explosives
2x Wipe Away
1x Echoing Truth

TES (2-0)
Belcher (0-2) - On the draw, mulled to 3 and 4. No FoW, Belched both games.
Burn (2-0)
Combo Elves (2-1)
UW Stoneblade (2-1)
Affinity (2-0)
Griselbargain / Count Chocula 2-0

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Originally Posted by Philipp802

Okay guys,

there's always a point where a journey ends. My SneakAttack journey with all of you ends now. I sold all my Show and Tell-Stuff. All Enabelers, alls Creatures, all Enchantments, all Pacts. This is due to the B/R-Update in a few weeks. Even though I strongly believe that Show and Tell is not banworthy, I cannot say for sure what WotC does. I sent them the results of this poll in this forum with 25-75 for banning Show and Tell. I hope this helps to keep Show and Tell legal. I, for my part, cannot risk to lose 400€ at once. I wish all of you all the best, and keep putting up good results! Thanks for all the good discussions and conversations we had. May the force be with you.

Greetings

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Enjoy your new deck. Stop feeling guilty for winning.

I was thinking about this a little more this morning - if Hypergenesis starts to get more popular, Trinisphere and Flusterstorm (answers we can play fairly easily) sound like they would be awesome sideboard cards for us.

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

I was thinking about this a little more this morning - if Hypergenesis starts to get more popular, Trinisphere and Flusterstorm (answers we can play fairly easily) sound like they would be awesome sideboard cards for us.

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Mana Maze. Boom. nice :g: Cascade spells. Also, I cast Show & Tell, you can't cast Blue spells?

Did I just break open the format?

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Originally Posted by Koby

Mana Maze. Boom. nice :g: Cascade spells. Also, I cast Show & Tell, you can't cast Blue spells?

Did I just break open the format?

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Rofl that's awesome! We just can't bring it in against red decks running REB, hah.

Conversely though, they cast Show & Tell and we can't really stop it without Pyroblast/REB either.

I'd also think in this matchup, we want to board out Show & Tell since they run more dudes than we do and just go for the Sneak Attack / Through the Breach plan?

Also to note - for all the complaining we're getting here about this deck, it only got 1 in the T16 (granted it T8'd) compared to Maverick and RUG still putting up more numbers.

Hell, Belcher put up more numbers that tournament than we did...