what do u think about the new Spellsplitter in NPH for give a protection to canonist in storm mu?
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what do u think about the new Spellsplitter in NPH for give a protection to canonist in storm mu?
I think it's a matter of what is going to be more effective for the match. Thicket is a great source of CA but it doesn't actually do anything without a LftL and the deck is so tight there just isn't room for things that don't help you stabilize or establish a lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dramma
I will probably never play without Ensaring Bridge at least in the 75 ever again. I won a small, 16 player, event with this deck about a week ago and E Bridge won a ton of the games. I actually used Phyrexian Revoker instead of Needle because it can hit mana abilities, which was relevant because I saw Combo Elves, and later ANT, being played before the start. Null Rod is really good at larger events because it really hurts ANT/TES and Affinity, unfortunately it doesn't stop Tezz 2.0 :(Quote:
Originally Posted by plus_ten
I posted my report with this deck in the Lands thread on MTGS and will repost it here when I get home. They just switched servers at work so now I MTGS is blocked and The Source is unblocked. Legacy is the only format I actually play so this site is much more suited for me than MTGS. I'm glad to be part of this community and am looking forward contributing.
Hi Folks! I'm new with this deck, and I'm playing the UGb version.
I would like to ask: Do you guys board in Dark Confidant against the Junk player? My teammates are saying that they will board out their discard spells and leave in StPs. It's make sense for you?
In any case, a friend sugested Dark Tutelage instead the Confidant. Would it be better?
thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy
I dislike the fact that it costs 1 mana more, and also isn't a clock -- I've won games with Bob because he can attack for 2. Tutelage is tutorable, though, which has some value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy
Well, I'm playing without Enlightened Tutors, so I can't search for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fdiv_bug
How do you board out against Junk?
Based on my performance this past weekend, poorly. :frown: (Though realistically, I probably still would've had the match had I not made a decklist error when writing up my list -- I won game 2 since he couldn't board in any of his grave hate, but then game 3 he blew me out by bringing in Leyline instead of Extirpate, which he said he does because his local store has a whole bunch of Dredge players. If I'd had another game to go then I would've brought in the Grips.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy
I was running a slightly altered list from what mchainmail had posted in his primer, with Cursed Totem main and Humility in the board just to try `em out, which I'll be posting below for some discussion when I have the time in the next day or two. From what I can recall, my boarding was -2 Manabond, -1 Glacial Chasm, -1 Cursed Totem, -1 Life from the Loam, -1 Tranquil Thicket, for +3 Bob, +1 Humility, and +2 Extirpate.
Doesn't Intuition search for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuzzy
[QUOTE=fdiv_bug;534907]Based on my performance this past weekend, poorly. :frown: (Though realistically, I probably still would've had the match had I not made a decklist error when writing up my list
AHHHHHH!!!!, that means we actually had a draw round 5 hellz ya ;)
By the way....I still have nightmares about that lands mirror match :P
This is my promised tournament report copied straight from MTGS. After playing a little more I think the one of Factory will become a Tarpit.
I saw the Star City primer on Enlightened Tutor lands and thought it was pretty genius. I used to play GWR lands and played Intuition lands for a minute, I loved Intuition in theory but always hated it in reality. My LGS finally had a Legacy tournament today, 16 people, and decided to play Enlightened Tutor Lands because I had lent a friend the deck I was originally gonna play since I didn't think I'd be able to make it.
Here's the list I played (thanks mchainmail):
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Engineered Explosives
1 Ensaring Bridge
1 Meekstone
4 Mox Diamond
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Smokestack
1 Zuran Orb
4 Exploration
2 Manabond
3 Enlightened Tutor
1 Intuition
4 Life From the Loam
1 Forest
1 Academy Ruins
1 Bayou
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Karakas
4 Maze of Ith
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Rishadan Port
1 Savannah
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
3 Tolaria West
2 Tranquil Thicket
3 Tropical Island
1 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard
1 Chalice of the Void
4 Dark Confidant
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Extirpate
2 Ghostly Prison
2 Krosan Grip
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Serenity
1 Tormod's Crypt
I played Mishra's Factory over Creeping Tar Pit because I figured the 1 activation cost would be a big deal and I hate lands that CiP tapped. It turned out just fine and I think I'll leave it that way. I played Intuition over Entomb because I don't own Entomb and I like that Intuition will get me whatever card I would've Entombed for plus 2.
In the SB I went with Serenity over Null Rod because I knew at least one person was playing Tezzfinity (without Ravager) and figured wiping the board was better than Null Rodding them and dying to Tezz. Turns out I was right. I couldn't get hold of a Cursed Totem or Oblivion Stone so I went with Phyrexian Revoker, because I wanted to be able to hit mana ability's mostly due to combo elves, and a second Ghostly Prison.
I didn't lose a single game!
Round 1: Junk
Kept opener of Manabond, 2 Exploration, 2 Wasteland, 1 Port, and a Bayou. He plays Bayou. I play Manabond and dump my hand onto the table wasting his Bayou. I draw Loam on my third and he concedes.
SB -2 Thicket, -2 Manabond, -1 LftL, -1 Glacial Chasm/+2 Extirpate, +1 Revoker, +3 Bob
I play Ensaring Bridge T2 and then lock him out with Wastelands.
1-0
Round 2: CounterTop Thopter
Game 1 goes almost to time. He pitches Jace, it's his only other blue card, to Force a T1 Exploration. I play and start beating with Mishra's Factory because my Wasteland is useless against his 800 basics. Eventually I start recurring Ghost Quarter until he runs out of land, but in the meantime he finds a Moat (to stop my loan Factory lol) and his other Jace with a Pithing Needle on Rishadan Port. Jace gets to 13 and I play E Tutor for Explosives, draw tap my Bayou, Savannah, and 2 Trops for EE at 4 and bust it taking out Jace and Moat. He gets the Thopter combo going but is shut out by Glacial Chasm, with Crucible out, and Tabernacle. Eventually he's out of lands and I start swinging with the Factory again and show him that I can recur Mox Diamonds or EE with Academy Ruins. He scoops and time is called while we are sideboarding.
2-0
R3: UW Tempo
T4/5 He's beating my face and Forces something, which was my plan, and then for Forces my Smokestack :( He then equips Sword of Body and Mind, not knowing what I'm playing, and hits me giving me a Wasteland and a bunch of other junk. I use Glacial Chasm to stop the pain and lock him out with Wasteland and Tabernacle.
SB: -1 Thicket, -2 Manabond, -1 Intuition/+2 Extirpate, +2 Bob
He leads with Tundra and Weathered Wayfarer, which I expected as well as Jotun Grunt G1. I play Wasteland, Mox Diamond, pitching Maze, Waste his Tundra, play Exploration, drop Tabernacle. He obviously sacs the Wayfarer and doesn't have another land to play. EoT I Enlightened Tutor for Crucible and he scoops.
3-0
Round 4 I'm the only 3-0 and I draw with Merfolk into T8.
3-0-1
T8 Affinity
He gets a Cranial Plating on Memnite with a Signal Pest and beats me down. I drop Ensaring Bridge and Empty my hand on T3. Ornithopter and Signal Pest continue to swing until I'm down to 4, meanwhile I keep him off of U/B mana together and play Tabernacle to keep his creatures from swinging. I drop a Smokestack and leave it at 1 until he scoops.
SB: -1 Meekstone, -1 Karakas, -2 Tranquil Thicket, -1 Manabond, -1 LftL/+1 Serenity, +2 K Grip, +2 Ghostly Prison, +1 Phyrexian Revoker
G2 He leads with a Relic of Progenitus and I Ghost Quarter his Vault of Whispers, GQ gets RfG. He lands a couple things and I Wasteland another Vault and a Blinkmoth using Port to keep another Blinkmoth tapped down. He plays a Cranial Plating and I topdeck Serenity. He doesn't to equip the plating and he loses his board,minus Darksteel Citadel :(, and I lose an Exploration. I get a Top and start digging eventually recurring EE and he scoops.
4-0-1
T4: Doran Rock (I lent him most of the deck so I know exactly what he's playing and that there are no Wastelands or Gaddock Teeg)
G1: Ensaring Bridge holds off the beats while Ghost Quarter with Crucible and Exploration lock him up.
SB -1 Karakas, -1 Tranquil Thicket, -1 Manabond, -1 Glacial Chasm/+4 Bob
T1 He plays Pithing Needle naming Ghost Quarter and I literally laugh out loud. T2 He plays Pithing Needle naming Wasteland and I frown. I play 2 Maze of Ith and eventually use Tolaria West to find EE and Academy Ruins and just repeatedly wreck him.
5-0-1
Championship: Painter's Stone transforming into Show and Tell
The guy wants to hit the road cause he has a long drive so we split and we both get what we want. I don't really like the MU so I was happy to do it since I still got what I wanted.
Overall I love the way this Lands plays better than any other version I've played. It's not as heavily dependent on the GY and therefore harder to hate on. You never get 2 Intuitions and a Manabond in your opener. You can often wait till T3 to play Intuition. Enlightened Tutor is a house and still having Tolaria West is great.
Yeah, it's not the most exciting thing ever. :tongue: I thought we had pretty good games, though, with a lot of back-and-forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbwire
The Mirror is a nightmare! I had to play mchainmail 2x in 1 tournament. In the first rd we ended up drawing due to time. the 2nd time was 1st rd of top 8 which he beat me unfortunately.
It was a learning experience for me, didn't think I would ever do a mirror with this archtype :) are you going to goto the Charlotte Open?Quote:
Originally Posted by fdiv_bug
Yeah, the cost of Tabernacle keeps the archetype pretty well in check, for better or worse. I'm absolutely going to be in Charlotte, and almost certainly going to be up at the GPT at Star City this Saturday. See you at either/both?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbwire
I'm going to be at Day 1&2 of SCG Charlotte, wanted to be at the GPT but I'm on call this weekend for my work. Since I haven't posted anything useful in awhile I've got a question for anybody who wants to chime in, I recently changed my main wincon from an Avenger of Zendikar to a snake basket, so far in testing its worked pretty well, has anybody else tested this as their wincon?Quote:
Originally Posted by fdiv_bug
I'll probably be at Charlotte as well. The question is: do you think this is the right deck to play? We have a terrible MU against combo which seems to be the archetype of the week. Plus, with the amount of Dredge placing recently no one is going to forget their graveyard hate for this one. The lack of Aggro and CB decks makes me think that this isn't the right time to play Lands.
I top 8ed the Toughest GPT in the country (TM) at Vestal, NY this weekend, with the only real change cutting Top for Dark Tutelage. I don't know how that worked out, I haven't cast it yet. The logic is sometimes you want to E-Tutor for action... and that's action. Dark Confidant is better post-board, just because it's so powerful... *and* it can turn sideways. Plus we can kill it if we need to.
Dramma,
It's partly a function of my dislike of the card, sometimes I just want to cut it completely. Also, nobody is playing grave hate right now, so it's slightly less relevant. I feel you need somethng like 4+ pieces of grave hate to stop this deck, and people playing fewer just doesn't get there.
plus_ten,
Ensnaring Bridge is good. If you can't get under Bridge, you need to practice more; re-evaluate your early Life from the Loams to see if you took too many lands back.
Fuzzy,
Dark Confidant keeps everyone honest. Also, they need to get White mana for Swords, which hurts their other plans by needing to fetch an early basic Plains.
fdiv_bug,
-2 Manabond, -1 Glacial Chasm, -1 Cursed Totem, for +3 Bob, +1 Humility seems fine. I don't like Humility here because it's very hard to cast.
I stopped boarding in Extirpate because Junk has stopped boarding in Extirpate (usually Bog and Spellbomb now)
Moosedog,
The mirror is fun, I don't know why you think it isn't.
Tim,
If I felt equally comfortable with this deck and another deck, I'd play the other deck. But if you're far more comfortable with one than the other, I'd play that one.
I'm going to play some matches against Combo and see what they look like post-board. In a local last night, I played: 3 Mindbreak Trap, 1 Arcane Lab, 2 Chalice of the Void, 1 Null Rod, 1 Canonist, 4 Dark Confidant (1 Crypt, 1 Extirpate, 1 K-Grip) in my board.
Are there any other cards besides these that I should look at for the combo MU? I know Sphere of Resistance (or Thorn), Leyline of Sanctity, Trinisphere and In The Eye of Chaos are also options.
Mike,
IMO Rule of law is better then Arcane Lab. Reason being your already running canonist and E-tutor, why not just stick with all white? If you fetch the savanah turn 1 to use Etutor you know you will have the W to play it. No one is playing anarchy, lol.
If we can swing more b somehow i think oppression would be very effective, not sure how to do it though. Urborg doesnt seem like the best option.
and about the mirror, i havent played it since that tournament so not sure how i would feel about it again today. But i definately was not ready for it then it back then.
The issue is I don't have a foil Rule of Law :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosedog
It's really just about getting options in the end, I don't know which one is better. 100% of the time I'm going to tutor for Canonist on turn 1 anyways.
I agree with going Canonist 1st as well. But you second tutor should be for Rule of Law/Arcane Lab bc its an enchantment, (unless you have around 8 land then zuran might be an option). But i guess were assuming we will have U by second tutor which is fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by mchainmail
Your thought on oppression?