[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

You know what - the more I think about Karador, Ghost Chieftain, the more I like it. Consider the following combinations:

Eternal Witness + Diabolic Intent is pretty much a wet dream where every turn you get to cast (an expensive) Demonic Tutor.
Eternal Witness + Phyrexian Tower + any discard spell = your opponent goes into topdeck mode.
Eternal Witness + Phyrexian Tower + Path to Exile = enjoy your creatures while they last.
Eternal Witness + Pernicious Deed = well... you get the picture.

Your opponent Wastelands your Tower? Meh, just kill off the Witness, recast it and hello, Tower. Might need a Sylvan Safekeeper to, well, keep Karador safe.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

You know what - the more I think about Karador, Ghost Chieftain, the more I like it. Consider the following combinations:

Eternal Witness + Diabolic Intent is pretty much a wet dream where every turn you get to cast (an expensive) Demonic Tutor.
Eternal Witness + Phyrexian Tower + any discard spell = your opponent goes into topdeck mode.
Eternal Witness + Phyrexian Tower + Path to Exile = enjoy your creatures while they last.
Eternal Witness + Pernicious Deed = well... you get the picture.

Your opponent Wastelands your Tower? Meh, just kill off the Witness, recast it and hello, Tower. Might need a Sylvan Safekeeper to, well, keep Karador safe.

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You can only cast a creture from the graveyard once per turn.

Reccuring nightmare is strictly better for looping any creature aand doubles as a sac outlet, protects itself, and can be used multiple times turn.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

@CountryCaravan: You do know Dryad Arbor gets fetched by Evolutionary Leap, right? Might accidentally end your combo turn when Leaping into that after having played a land.

Also, you mentioned you struggled with counter magic. That's because, as I said, you try to close out the game like a combo deck. And, like a combo deck, you need that extra discard to get rid of whatever is able to stop your game winning hand. Try to add another Pernicious Deed to the list, and 3/4 Path to Exile. You need to be able to take care of threats while manoeuvring to that point where you outplay your opponent and quickly close the game.

On a side note, I think you would want to find a Wish-target that cannot be Submerged etc. Opponents do topdeck spotremoval or do hide it from your discard with Brainstorm. Another option is to forfeit the Wish package and go on a planeswalker demolition route. Rather than durdle with Wishes and getting your fatties countered, play 6+ planeswalkers to take over the game post-Pernicious Deed. Token producing planeswalkers also play incredibly well with Cabal Therapy and, to extent, Diabolic Intent.

Or to mix the 2 approaches up - run Glittering Wish instead of Living Wish. It can fetch all kinds of fun cards, according to the situation you find yourself in. Planeswalkers, utility creatures (think Gaddock Teeg), finisher like Sigarda, enchantments like Teferi's Moat, whatever floats your boat.

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Dryad Arbor is... kinda the point of the deck. You use a fetchland to grab it so that you don't need otherwise dead cards like GSZ to search up an Explorer. Perhaps the deck could use more fetches to that end; I haven't quite nailed down the final manabase yet. Even if I can't fetch it up before going off, you're still pretty fine as long as you plan ahead for that small bit of disruption.

Not sure how exactly the removal suite should go yet; that's still a work in progress. Good call on Path over Swords here; that's not something I'd considered, though I'm not sure how much better it is than maxing out on Deeds and Decays. I hadn't considered Submerge either; I suppose Sigarda could have a wishboard slot as a hedge against those effects, but it might just be better to have a powerful ETB effect like Hornet Queen for locking down the board against those kind of effects. While I enjoy planeswalkers and have a bunch of them in my build, I do want a better way to leverage having 11-12 lands in play; hence Decree.

I'm not sold at all on Glittering Wish; there aren't enough multicolored game-enders in Abzan colors, and it doesn't solve the problem of the wish getting countered (that's what gets countered, not the Eldrazi or whatever).

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Originally Posted by Ganfar

You can only cast a creture from the graveyard once per turn.

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I know. And doing that seems like value enough when using said sequences.

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Originally Posted by uncletiggy

Reccuring nightmare is strictly better for looping any creature aand doubles as a sac outlet, protects itself, and can be used multiple times turn.

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It can only be used at sorcery speed, so it can't really protect itself all that well. Forget to use it before going to your combat phase (or end step, if you cast it in your 2nd main phase), and it's a sitting duck. Besides, it needs a creature on the board to start doing stuff. Karador is fine with sitting there by his lonesome. Seeing a Recurring Nightmare on a creatureless board is just the saddest thing ever. Sure, Karador only lets you cast 1 creature card a turn from your GY, but in the late game that's the kind of stuff that'll let you take over the game. Also, Karador-on-the-board allows you to not give a shit about FoW & friends.

As far as sacrificing stuff goes - I might be a bit biased b/c I run an oddball build with 4 Diabolic Intent and 9 sacrificing outlets in total.

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Originally Posted by CountryCaravan

I'm not sold at all on Glittering Wish; there aren't enough multicolored game-enders in Abzan colors, and it doesn't solve the problem of the wish getting countered (that's what gets countered, not the Eldrazi or whatever).

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Run more discard! Also, be more patient. As I said, you're trying to play out your deck like a combo deck, so think like one. Plan your line, check your opponents' hand and only go for it if you are 100% sure it is safe to do so. The opportunity to go for it is one you get only once or twice a game, so make sure it's there and when it is, make it count.

So....

Ob Nixilis Reignited
3BB
Planeswalker - Ob Nixilis
[+1]: Draw a card. You lose 1 life.
[-3]: Drestroy target creature.
[-8]: Target opponent gets an emblem with "When you draw a card lose 2 life."

This....seems good.

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Originally Posted by jbone2016

So....

Ob Nixilis Reignited
3BB
Planeswalker - Ob Nixilis
[+1]: Draw a card. You lose 1 life.
[-3]: Drestroy target creature.
[-8]: Target opponent gets an emblem with "When you draw a card lose 2 life."

This....seems good.

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Ultimate seems less shitty than before.

Drawing an extra card for one life? Why not just play Arena, or in fact, Sylvan?

Path over Swords in the white build is an obvious choice, and I've talked about this for a long time. This is what I was thinking of trying as of late:


3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Path to Exile
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Sylvan Library

3 Veteran Explorer
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Ulvenwald Tracker

3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
3 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas/Taiga
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold

SB: 2 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Cranial Extraction/Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 2 Tsunami
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist


Tracker might be loose, but clearing out opposing Peezy's and such so you can rumble through seems fine. I think there was an argument of Tsunami over Choke, so I've left Tsunami in to try. If Tracker is definite no bueno, then I'll cut it for the 3rd PTE or Elspeth. Overall though, I just dislike how fetching up basics makes the two matchups that are really popular, Miracles and Omni, very bad. :/

I'd rather not go into 4 colours, but Slaughter Games >>> Cranial. Ugh. Also why I've included more DRS, and just go 3/3.

-Matt

The tracker is cute, if you can make it stick.

Concerning the Ob Nixilis walker - it does make your opponents' late game Brainstorms suck the big one. But it's so slow. Even Vraska would be a quicker clock (and a more funny one, at that).

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Originally Posted by sdematt

Drawing an extra card for one life? Why not just play Arena, or in fact, Sylvan?

3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Path to Exile
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Sylvan Library

3 Veteran Explorer
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Ulvenwald Tracker

3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
3 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas/Taiga
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold

SB: 2 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Cranial Extraction/Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 2 Tsunami
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist

-Matt

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like your list !

but i would play one path more and one zenith less

do u have some play reports of this one?

cheers

IF you were playing with Vraska this new walker is better. The question is still whether a 5 mana value walker is good enough. This is better than arena for a few reasons. One is that a walker doesnt die to 3+ deeds. Not always relevant but still non-trivial. The fact that your CA engine can also tick down to kill creatures is also helpful. The biggest draw I think is that this builds pressure in a few ways (both giving you cards and the ultimate will kill them and quicker than they think at minimum 4 a full turn cycle. Whether these benefits out way a 5 mana price tag i dont know. I doubt it.

Also the art sucks so I am not very inclined to look into this.

sdematt- Is your list made for the general metagame or is this with your specific locale in mind?

Hey everybody, I know I'm usually the silent majority on this thread since everyone plays Junk Fit, but I still believe ScapeFit is the best variant right now. Took a break from legacy to grind out modern, but here is an updated list for anyone that is looking for a good list tuned against the current meta (good matchups against Delver variants and Omnitell both pre and post boarding:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Wood Elves
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan

3 Green Suns Zenith
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
4 Burning Wish
2 Scapeshift

3 Abrupt Decay

4 Senseis Divining Top

3 Pernicious Deeds

4 Taiga
2 Stomping Ground
3 Badland
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
2 Verdant Catacomb
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard:
1 Reanimate
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Massacre
1 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Tsunami
3 Slaughter Games
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge

Snap reactions to Kiora and Ob Nix:

-) Kiora is disgusting IF Dig Through Time sticks around. Like, seriously, if Dig sticks we could actually end up being the best Dig deck, which would be hilariously ironic to me. If Dig does get banned, then she's a fine 'walker but is likely worse than Kiora 1, unless you find something broken to do with Kiora 2's +1 -- like, you know, untapping Gaia's Cradle (which is unlikely in nic fit, but, you know...).

-) Ob Nix is a very, very strong sideboard option. I don't think he's maindeckable unless Punishing Jund comes back in a big way, but Nic Fit as an archetype has a long history of sideboarding various planeswalkers to give additional angles of attack in grindy matchups, and Ob is basically tailor-made for that plan for us. This is a man who can win a grindy mirror. We've usually opted for combat walkers, not utility walkers, mostly because of Jace -- but Ob can and will race Jace TMS, while drawing us an extra card a turn on top of it.

Other stuff, glancing through:

-) Enemy manland hype. Calling the BG one to have deathtouch, which would actually be worth considering...probably gets dismissed just because coming into play tapped is too sheisty, but I'd at least think about it.

-) Hedron Archive is fringe interesting, but probably more of a MUD / 12post thing.

-) Blight Herder has a ton of value attached to it, but the odds of getting to trigger it are a little unlikely outside of DRS/Ooze + Swords/Path, and even if you can trigger it reliably, I'm not sure it's better than any existing 5-drops...although getting double value from a DRS or an Ooze off the same three creatures is actually kind of adorbs.

-) Oran-Rief Hydra is actually worth keeping an eye on. It has trample, we play a lot of Forests, and it gets out of control -very- quickly. Probably still not better than Primeval.

-) Radiant Flames is a REALLY cool card, and is still not better than Pyroclasm for that role in sideboards and wishboards. Stick with the tried and true over the new and cool.

-) As much as I don't want him to be, Gideon is probably competition with Elspeth in the combat walker category. Elspeth's redbull might still be too worth to ignore, but making a 2/2 instead of a 1/1 is relevant, and +1ing to become an indestructible 5/5 isn't strictly the worst if you're not worried about StP in the matchup (looking at Shardless, Jund, etc here).

-) Tango lands are really cool for people who are getting into Nic Fit from newer formats. We're one of a very small handful of decks (Miracles comes to mind for another) that actually runs enough basics to realistically turn on the Tangos easily and reliably. Scapewish still opts for Stomping Grounds over the R/G Tango, I'm pretty sure. Note that this means that we should all be ready for newer players looking into the deck.

-) Brood Butcher is a cool card for limited, and not for us at all. This does call to mind the question, though -- does Devoid count in all zones? Meaning, Brood Butcher is a 3gb creature with Devoid. Can we Green Sun Zenith it? The wording doesn't really offer any clues -- maybe I'll toss it up on facebook later and tag some judges.

-) Fathom Feeder does not replace Baleful Strix in any world.

-) Bring to Light is capable of some really stupid things. I don't know what they are off the top of my head, but there's no way that card doesn't have the potential for some absurdity.

-) Undergrowth Champion is neat, but doesn't have any evasion or protection, so it loses my interest. Maybe if it had a clause where if it had X counters it gains trample or something, but it doesn't, so.

-) Smothering Abomination is probably the most exciting non-planeswalker at this point. Dying to Bolt makes him less attractive, but he has a very powerful effect and he's a 4-power flyer for 4, which is not common. It would be fairly easy to turn him into at least a Howling Mine through the use of bloodghast or something similar, and the potential exists to go deeper (Ghave exists and has seen play in the past here). I don't have any interest in brewing the deck for it, but I would not be in the least surprised if there's a variant starring that guy somewhere.

Thoughts on some of the cards-
- The new man land is worse than tar pit. If you do not play tar pit I am not sure if this is really any better. IF I wanted a third man land this would be over a 3rd tar pit and before anything else but 4 mana activation is a lot. It does take down jace when they do not have creatures but stp or bolt in hand where tar pit cannot but I think the 4th mana to activate is bigger than ppl will think. That said, I do like it but I am not sure nic fit would be the best shell. A bug landstill type deck might be better. The bg one will almost certainly have deathouch and unless the activation cost is very small probably not worth playing. We have a wide range of man lands right now, 3/3 trample for 2, 3/4 reach, 3/3grow on attack, 3/2 unblockable and none of these see much play aside from occasional tar pit use in bug and sometimes treetop in GB decks with prime. Landstill decks now have a plethora of options though...

- The hydra is just worse than prime time. The value from prime time is immediate, tutor effect is huge in the Fit decks that play him essentially making him a free 6/6 trample. When I played it in punishing fire version the 2 lands were a bigger deal than the body even though the body killed plenty of ppl.

- Tango lands (is that really what we came up with as a community? lol) are not playable. shocks are duals 5+ already and very few decks need that many. Scape is the only one that needs that many mountain types and they only play 1 I believe.

- Bring to light is very interesting. I am not sure what to do with this but I am going to brew with it in modern. I just do not think its good enough in legacy. I play esper mentor in modern as I just think 4c gifts is not good enough but bring to light seems sweet so maybe I will try smth with it.

- Kiora is certainly interesting. She is 4 mana which is great as few 5 mana walkers ever really see play even in our decks its basically garruk only. The tick down is amazing. Digging 4 cards is huge. I would imagine if we want her we would play either (or both) witness or snap in some amounts so that taking one of those give us access to the spells we mill over like deed, top, brainstorm, decay, etc. The tick up seems great with a mana dork actually. Like untaping DRS and land to have decay up seems like a decent protection in a build with her. Idk, I am hesitant to write her off as digging 4 cards down is so powerful but the land plus dude only aspect sucks. I would start with 4-5 snaps/witness and also a stronghold in the deck. She pitches to force which isnt irrelevant for me at least.

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Originally Posted by bryanzoll

Hey everybody, I know I'm usually the silent majority on this thread since everyone plays Junk Fit, but I still believe ScapeFit is the best variant right now. Took a break from legacy to grind out modern, but here is an updated list for anyone that is looking for a good list tuned against the current meta (good matchups against Delver variants and Omnitell both pre and post boarding:

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Sakura Tribe Elder
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Wood Elves
1 Eternal Witness
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan

3 Green Suns Zenith
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Thoughtseize
4 Burning Wish
2 Scapeshift

3 Abrupt Decay

4 Senseis Divining Top

3 Pernicious Deeds

4 Taiga
2 Stomping Ground
3 Badland
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
2 Verdant Catacomb
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard:
1 Reanimate
1 Cabal Therapy
2 Duress
1 Massacre
1 Pyroclasm
1 Scapeshift
1 Tsunami
3 Slaughter Games
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Toxic Deluge

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Thank you Bryan !

Don't you think that abrupt decay is overlapping with Deed ?
I would easily replace them with Sudden Shock, since Tarmo/CB are usually not a real problem for the deck.

Sudden shock would drastically improve a few other MU (poison for example) while still answering, for good, to a flipped delver.
Not to mention that Split second can also be rather nice against pyromancer/mentor or even an active Mom.
At last, the ability to, at least, go to the Dome could sometimes make a difference.

What do you think ? Do I miss anything relevant ?

Another question: I see you have elected to play only 23 lands and 4 tops. Can you give us some tips about the way you are usually keeping an opening hand?
I.E: was the 4th top a mean to hedge against such a choice ?

Happy to discuss !

Hey Ralf!

Here are some responses to your questions:

On Sudden Shock vs Abrupt Decay: Decay handles so many things other than just creatures that it is still very much needed in the deck (like counterbalance). Is there overlap with Deeds? Absolutely, however the difference is that abrupt decay on a 2CMC item (like a 3/4 goyf) is 2 mana, while a Deeds for 2 requires 5 mana. This deck wants to prolong a game, the longer the game goes, the better chances of it winning. Deeds is great because it lets you wipe a board, but abrupt decay help you out tremendously in the early game.

23 lands and 4 SDT: This deck doesn't run blue, so we don't have access to brainstorms, ponders, etc. Drawing an SDT is pretty important and I generally have a hard time winning if I don't land one within the first few turns. 23 lands, never had an issue with mana screw.

Opening Hands: In an ideal world, your opening hand is going to be: Cabal Therapy, Explorer, Thoughtseize, SDT, 2 lands, GSZ, Burning Wish. This hand should play: T1: Thoughtseize, T2: Cabal Therapy, Explorer, Flashback Therapy, SDT, filter next draw, T3: Start playing dense threats.

Ideally, I want a hand with some early disruption, accerlation, and some type of threat. I would keep a hand of a discard, an early ramp (wood elves, explorer, or sakura tribe elder), abrupt decay, a couple of lands, SDT. That is usually pre-board not knowing what my opponent is on. Obviously post-board its going to vary.

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Originally Posted by Ralf

Thank you Bryan !

Don't you think that abrupt decay is overlapping with Deed ?
I would easily replace them with Sudden Shock, since Tarmo/CB are usually not a real problem for the deck.

Sudden shock would drastically improve a few other MU (poison for example) while still answering, for good, to a flipped delver.
Not to mention that Split second can also be rather nice against pyromancer/mentor or even an active Mom.
At last, the ability to, at least, go to the Dome could sometimes make a difference.

What do you think ? Do I miss anything relevant ?

Another question: I see you have elected to play only 23 lands and 4 tops. Can you give us some tips about the way you are usually keeping an opening hand?
I.E: was the 4th top a mean to hedge against such a choice ?

Happy to discuss !

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Hey, I'm quite new to magic and am currently building my first deck (I guess you can call it Junkpod Fit). I would appreciate suggestions very much. If you got questions I will gladly answer them.

Lands (22/23):
Dryad Arbor
Phyrexian Tower
Karakas
Volrath's Stronghold
Wasteland

3xForest
2xPlains
Savannah
Scrubland
2Swamp
4xVerdant Catacombs
4xWindswept Heath

Creatures (20/19):
4xVeteran Explorer
Deathrite Shaman

Scavenging Ooze
2xStrangleroot Geist

Bone Shredder
2xEternal Witness
Reclamation Sage
Kitchen Finks

Restoration Angel
2xSiege Rhino

Acidic Slime
Sigarda, Host of Herons

Sun Titan

Other Stuff:
2xAbrupt Decay
3xBirthing Pod
4xCabal Therapy
2xDiabolic Intent
2xGreen Sun's Zenith
3xPernicious Deed
Recurring Nightmare
Sensei's Divining Top



Sideboard sth. like this:
Pernicious Deed
Murderous Redcap
Maelstrom Pulse
2xThoughtseize
Gaddock Teeg
2xEthersworn Canonist
Orzhov Pontiff
Surgical Extraction
2xExtirpate
Abrupt Decay
2xSwords to Plowshares

I went 3-1 at my weekly. List is basically the same. I have Grave titan and Thrun in the main. I never played nor wanted titan so i think that will not be back. I did like having a thrun main though.
I beat grixis control round 1. Won in 2 games mostly due to early therapies backed by PWs. Deed was house.
Rd2 I beat black DnT (TS, Bobs and scullers were the splash).
Rd3 I was on camera at mead hall against aluren and totally fucked up game 3. Had him at 1 life, jace in play and just made a couple decisions that were pretty bad so I actually lost that somehow......uhhhhhhh the salt is real.
Rd4 I beat storm.

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Originally Posted by Dadadot

Hey, I'm quite new to magic and am currently building my first deck (I guess you can call it Junkpod Fit). I would appreciate suggestions very much. If you got questions I will gladly answer them.

Lands (22/23):
Dryad Arbor
Phyrexian Tower
Karakas
Volrath's Stronghold
Wasteland

3xForest
2xPlains
Savannah
Scrubland
2Swamp
4xVerdant Catacombs
4xWindswept Heath

Creatures (20/19):
4xVeteran Explorer
Deathrite Shaman

Scavenging Ooze
2xStrangleroot Geist

Bone Shredder
2xEternal Witness
Reclamation Sage
Kitchen Finks

Restoration Angel
2xSiege Rhino

Acidic Slime
Sigarda, Host of Herons

Sun Titan

Other Stuff:
2xAbrupt Decay
3xBirthing Pod
4xCabal Therapy
2xDiabolic Intent
2xGreen Sun's Zenith
3xPernicious Deed
Recurring Nightmare
Sensei's Divining Top



Sideboard sth. like this:
Pernicious Deed
Murderous Redcap
Maelstrom Pulse
2xThoughtseize
Gaddock Teeg
2xEthersworn Canonist
Orzhov Pontiff
Surgical Extraction
2xExtirpate
Abrupt Decay
2xSwords to Plowshares

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Welcome!

Nice list.
I would suggest a few changes:

- Sigarda is nice & all but in such a list I would rather not play her. She shines in list with equipments / or when she is your top of the curve. She has nothing to bring to the table in yours (except that she is one of the best creature ever). Thragtusk will fit the bill, just plain better.

- Bone shredder should be a MD Orzhov Pontiff, given the current metagame. Not sure I would put Bone in the side...

- Thrun should be in your list. Having an uncounterable (which Sigarda is not)/hexproof guy to feed your pod chain is a must.

- Double up on your 6-CMC creature, just because sometimes you have your 6 drop in your hand. Sun Titan + Grave Titan, for example.

- I like "persist" or "undying" at every thresh you reach. Murderous Redcap @CMC 4 is really really nice. You could live with just 1 Strangleroot Geist, I guess. Furthermore, those abilities are completely broken with Restoration Angel.

- If you like playing with recurring nightmare, deed, etc... A one-of "Academy Rector" could also be a very nice addition (including sideboard strategy as well with powerful enchantment)

Hope this will give you food for thoughts.

Sidisi is the more glaring exclusion -- Sidisi grabbing Nightmare in a Pod list is very, very strong.

I'll defend Sigarda as much as Ralf condemns it, although some of that is probably because I still have a lot of random BGx midrange Liliana decks around my area. I would at least recommend sideboarding her, and if Dig Through Time gets the axe, she immediately goes maindeck again.

The 2nd Intent is redundant. You could cut that to simply add the Sidisi, if you wish -- Sidisi does what Intent does, but is poddable and has a very respectable body.

I would also cut the Volrath's Stronghold, because you already have a lot of utility lands and colorless sources. Are you not running any Bayous?

I suppose here I should take a break and ask if you're running budget or not. I didn't think of it when I saw the 1-of Savannah and Scrublands, because those are the less important duals, but no Bayous is kind of a red flag since that's the most important land for any Nic Fit.

Regardless of budgetary concerns, though, I would still 100% recommend a Sidisi over a Diabolic Intent.

6 5 4 4 3 2 is my usual Pod curve, by the way. I tend to not run as many spells and try to run more creatures with spell effects, to increase the consistency of Pod while also strengthening the random dudes plan that all Pod decks invariably end up on at some point in their lives.

@Tom4ik: I'm currently trying out Sun Titan (I really don't know if I like him or not) but as somebody suggested below I will probably put another 6 drop in there (likely Grave Titan). Thanks for your reply!

@Ralf: I partly agree with your opinion on Sigarda, still she is crazy strong even without equipments, also i can get her with Zenith. But I think i will put Thrun back in there somehow. Thragtusk got lost somehow on the way building this deck but i agree that it is a very strong addition. I think i will put Pontiff MD for Bone Shredder, but i think i will keep him SB as an additional creature removal.
I will think about the rest of you suggestions. But and post an updated list in the near future. Than you too for your reply!

@Arianrhod: The bayou is in there, still i will only run 3 duals and a karakas in the beginning. Partly because of budget reasons party bc wasteland. I'm not completly sold on sidsi considering i don't have any blue mana source (apart from drs) and she could be a dead draw if i can't zenith or pod her.
The reason i have two intents is, i can run maybe (thinking about it) only 2 pods and one senseis and stiff have effectively 4 pods and 3 senseis (if that makes any sense). Also i can fetch other possible answers i need with it. It never felt weak really. Thanks for your reply!


btw. what do you all think about Ruinous Path from BFZ as a sideboard answer for planeswalkers? (currently my strangeroot geist servers this kind of purpose)

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Originally Posted by Dadadot

@Tom4ik: I'm currently trying out Sun Titan (I really don't know if I like him or not) but as somebody suggested below I will probably put another 6 drop in there (likely Grave Titan). Thanks for your reply!

@Ralf: I partly agree with your opinion on Sigarda, still she is crazy strong even without equipments, also i can get her with Zenith. But I think i will put Thrun back in there somehow. Thragtusk got lost somehow on the way building this deck but i agree that it is a very strong addition. I think i will put Pontiff MD for Bone Shredder, but i think i will keep him SB as an additional creature removal.
I will think about the rest of you suggestions. But and post an updated list in the near future. Than you too for your reply!

@Arianrhod: The bayou is in there, still i will only run 3 duals and a karakas in the beginning. Partly because of budget reasons party bc wasteland. I'm not completly sold on sidsi considering i don't have any blue mana source (apart from drs) and she could be a dead draw if i can't zenith or pod her.
The reason i have two intents is, i can run maybe (thinking about it) only 2 pods and one senseis and stiff have effectively 4 pods and 3 senseis (if that makes any sense). Also i can fetch other possible answers i need with it. It never felt weak really. Thanks for your reply!


btw. what do you all think about Ruinous Path from BFZ as a sideboard answer for planeswalkers? (currently my strangeroot geist servers this kind of purpose)

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Sidisi, Undead Vizier

You're thinking of the wrong Sidisi.

Went 3-0-1 at redcaps weekly with reanimator-fit
2-0 omni
2-1 jeskai stoneblade
2-0 Jund
ID with punishing maverick
list:
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Baleful Strix
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 Thragtusk
1 Grave Titan
1 Aetherling
1 Elesh Norn
1 Griselbrand

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Reanimate
2 Show and Tell
1 Life from the Loam
1 Deep Analysis
1 Maelstrom Pulse

4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb

2 Pernicious Deed
1 Recurring Nightmare

4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
1 Polluted Delta
1 Wasteland
3 Bayou
2 Underground Sea
1 Tropical Island
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Island

//sb
4 True-Name Nemesis
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Ravens Crime
2 Krosan Grip
2 Abrupt Decay
2 Flusterstorm
2 Duress
1 Glen Elendra Archmage

Deck surpassed my expectations and was a ton of fun to pilot, not too sold on the true name back up plan, but cant think of anything better so if anyone has suggestions let me know
elesh was great in the maindeck and was more relevant then iona would have been, having 8 therapies maindeck with entomb make the combo matchup alot easier g1

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Still it seems kinda slow for the purpose i am using the intents for. Could you give me an example or two for how i could use her. I am still very new to magic and i don't see all the possibilities. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I meant my list was roughly the same I have been playing. Its a bug control variant with the Vet/Therapy engine. Not the junk pod version.

http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8a...TclURjhCMu.png

Pretty interesting curve topper. Get back something important, death effect if you have a loose Therapy and need something else more important than a 5/4.

Can't be looped but I don't think that's bad. Whether it's better than a Titan... remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Firepaw3

Deck surpassed my expectations and was a ton of fun to pilot, not too sold on the true name back up plan, but cant think of anything better so if anyone has suggestions let me know
elesh was great in the maindeck and was more relevant then iona would have been, having 8 therapies maindeck with entomb make the combo matchup alot easier g1

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I guess it is up to what you are trying to do.
You could easily replace the graveyard package with some natural order (progenitus to name it) if you want to stay on the dark (combo) side.
If not, I cannot see anything stronger than TNN. The main issue being that once you become popular, opponents will start putting their REB postboard.

You could always side into a helm/leyline kill not sure how bad that would muck up the board and which matches youd loose ground in but it could help versus some faster combo decks.

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Originally Posted by maharis

http://media.wizards.com/2015/bfz_8a...TclURjhCMu.png

Pretty interesting curve topper. Get back something important, death effect if you have a loose Therapy and need something else more important than a 5/4.

Can't be looped but I don't think that's bad. Whether it's better than a Titan... remains to be seen.

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It's a 5/4 for 4GG. Your opponents are playing 5/5s for B

What are you going to get back? An explorer? Sun Titan already gets deeds back, and they go directly to the battlefield.

Against 5/5 for B you get whatever, then trade with it and get something else. Deed isn't helping you there anyway. Those games are probably grindy so kill your guy regrow 2 isn't bad.

There's also blowout opportunity in combo games that go long like grab force, therapy you, grab blue card.

I think this is a possible card in pod builds depending on what else you have going on. This also gets rhino, glen elendra, 4cc walkers, and non-permanents that sun titan doesn't.

Btw death&exile is a may trigger so you can loop these with recurring nightmare and draw your GY.

Very few 6 drops will actually change much with this deck. Any 6 drop you play will be powerful so if you like this card play it. I personally would not as I think its worse than other options but to each their own.

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

@Pettdan: As stupid as it sounds, but between Top, Rector and Leap I want to see a Recycle in the list, could make Mentor even more brutal ;)

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Thanks for the suggestion, Philipp, and sorry for the late response! Recycle seems powerful but clunky, I was thinking of trying to remove some clunky cards (Rector, Nightmare and possibly the Glen Elendras but they fit so well) for cheap removal to help games go longer.

The list didn't work out that well, but I'll play some more games because it seems interesting and I want to see if Evolutionary Leap can do broken things. I didn't draw a single Leap in the four games I played, so I don't know how good or bad it is yet. What I would very much want the deck to do is the following. This is the game plan, I'm aware that the games may not play out like this but I need to have a vision for what the deck is trying to do and why it should have Evolutionary Leap in it.

- Vs combo (these are the bad matchups, of course), turn 1-2 Thoughtseize and/or Cabal Therapy to slow them down. Deathrite or GSZ for Arbor to accelerate. Then turn 3 [or more likely turn 4] Evolutionary Leap ramping 1-2 Veteran Explorers and allowing you to put Glen Elendra into play the same turn. Go ahead combo player, enjoy your basics! Sideboarding out Stoneforges and a Mentor should help this plan. Keep one Mentor in as a quick finisher. Board in extra Thoughtseizes, Surgicals and a Glen Elendra.

- Vs fair decks, turn 1-2 Deathrite/StP/Thoughtseize/Therapy/Abrupt Decay slowing them down. Turn 3-4 play the Leap and chain an explorer or two, GSZ for Explorer to start with if needed or fetch for Arbor, chain into a Mystic, play it and get Batterskull. When the opponent tries to kill Stoneforge it is sacrificed chaining into a Mentor. Notice that you spent zero card resources doing this, actually ending up with the same amount of cards in hand and a permanent in play (Leap) plus probably a few extra basics for both players. Turn 4 sees you playing the Mentor and producing multiple monk tokens with two SDT's or instead you play the Batterskull. And then you play a second creatures, starting a new leap chain. A creature with persist offers pretty good card advantage next to a Leap.

I did find one interesting combination that may be worth considering next to Evolutionary Leap. Too cute perhaps but still. It's Skaab Ruinator. Once you get going with Evolutionary Leap you should be able to put a couple of creatures into your graveyard. And when you do, you can play the Ruinator. If the opponent tries to StP it, then you sacrifice it with the Leap, replaying it next turn probably and drawing a card creating card advantage in the process. If the opponent decays it, same story. They'll have to decay the Leap instead, which leaves you with the Ruinator in play. It's probably not good enough, but I could see myself trying it as a one of in a BUG Leap Fit list.

Good morning all!
So I am relatively new to legacy, and am super new to Nic Fit, I've been playing Magic on and off forever:Ice Age and had just recently gotten into Legacy due to my qualifications to a few SCG invitationals. (Both of which I played MUD, which I would also suggest as a fun and powerful deck, only problem is that it doesn't really segway into any other Legacy decks) but I wanted to write this short essay for people getting into legacy. I have been into EDH for a few years on MODO and realized thanks to my EDH collection building Nic Fit is a great budget deck to get into Legacy online.
I am a standard player mostly but the recent state of standard had left me wanting more and thanks to Magic Onlines wacky market it's cheaper to play Legacy then it is to get into Modern. Pernicious Deed is at a low low cost of 8.5 tix, Deathrite Shaman, Veteran Explorer, and Green Sun's Zenith are all super cheap Titans are not expensive and the deck plays tons of basics, though if you're like me you may have one of each dual land for EDH (though I have more than that) and a few fetchs and don't mind not playing blue then Nic Fit is a relatively easy deck to build on a low budget, a good midrange style deck for people who like to do powerful things that make their opponents wonder how they're losing to a Titan in Legacy. (apparently if you like blue there's a fit for you too!)

The original primer mentions the deck takes some getting used to and that's true in a sense, I've been on the deck for about a week and my affinity for big midrange decks made me feel right at home with it. Nic Fit feels kinda like a standard deck but the cards are so powerful it can stand up to noncombo decks very well, I've had great success vs Delver decks and other midrange decks; I have also been destroyed by omni-show, and Belcher. After tinkering with the board and messing around with my base deck and doing 1v1 to relative success today I will be playing in my first Legacy daily (provided it fires) with my own brand of Abzan Nic Fit and I'm pretty excited about it.

I want to write a tournament report for it but it will only be three rounds so I am sure it'll be a bit less then enthralling, but to start I will leave you with the list I had entered into the event. It is still a work in progress but this forum has certainly helped me come a long way with it as I started the list without the forum and playing cards like lingering souls, Satyr Wayfinder the not so budget friendly Liliana of the veil and a whole three Recurring Nightmares though one technology I naturally started with and am sticking with for now is the 2 maindeck Carpet of Flowers, I actually think it's an awesome way to ramp into my sweet planeswalkers and the deck is naturally pretty decent against decks that don't play blue.

1 Recurring Nightmare
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
2 Bayou
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Oblivion Ring
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
3 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Phyrexian Tower
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Pernicious Deed
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Windswept Heath
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Plains
3 Marsh Flats
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Path to Exile
1 Grave Titan
3 Siege Rhino
1 Sun Titan
2 Academy Rector
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Path to Exile
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Karn Liberated
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
Sideboard
3 Leyline of the Void
2 Choke
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Krosan Grip
1 Pernicious Deed
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Pithing Needle
1 Leyline of Sanctity

Also sorry I have no idea how to do that whole linking thing so you can hover over cards to see what they are I am not only new to legacy but this is my second or third post ever on forums.

R1 Unkoman
M1
M2 Keep a no land hand with double Veteran, Ooze, Top, Rector. Thoughtseize right off the bat.
miss four drop steps in a row only to on the fifth draw step draw a non green source, I guess I deserve this. I therapy only to be met by spell pierce.
Turn 6 I cast veteran explorer after drawing a fetch and gathering a bayou.
he let's explorer resolve but force of wills Therapy. Best outcome I could have asked for. He plays True-name and batterskull feels pretty awful
The game went on much longer than it ever should have.

g2 kept another sketch hand one land, with a Veteran. this match has made me feel like the deck needs more than 22 lands but up until this match I've had no problems

After playing the tightest three games of my life I emerged victorious against Esper blade. although at one point in g3 I had miss tracked the cards in his hand and Therapy him calling Force when he had a truename in hand that I knew about. all three games came down to Veteran Explorer and Pernicious Deed being ridiculous.

R2 Oriver001
UW Mystic blade deck
Lost in two, the match felt pretty bad, I am not entirely sure what I was supposed to do here, but I've learned two polar things, Veteran is terrible vs Swords to plowshares, and it happens to be pretty decent at pressuring Jace TMS.
I couldn't get out from under the card advantage his deck was providing him. I could probably have taken a game but like I said I am still new to the deck, I suppose I would need to test against it more. G1 the maindeck blossoms was pretty decent but eventually I had to use deed to clear the board causing me to stumble on mana.
Thrun and my own equipment would have probably been very benificial in this matchup.

R3 Nemureke
I keep an awkward hand of Catacombs, Savannah, Plains, Maelstrom Pulse, Grave Titan, Decay, Siege Rhino.
He t1 ritual into top hymn and it hits my pulse and savannah it did not feel good for sure. mid game starts to feel terrible as I stand on three lands and all 4+drops in hand. I never draw past a third land, He swords my Veteran and I die.

g2 I keep a 2 therapy Veteran hand, getting rid of his three spells leaving him with only lands.

Not gonna lie G3 my girl made me lunch and I just stopped paying attention and made like 18 misplays.
I am running short on time but that's it I went 1-2 so I could have certainly done better, I could use any help provided.

Hello,

I played a tournament (30 players) saturday with Rea Fit until semi finals.


Round 1: Mono Green Aggro Won 2/1

Lost the toss

G1: Not much to say here. I kept a heavy ramp hand (2 explorers) without any relevant business spell hoping to find some. Veteran died twice, I drew perni to take care of a really powerful board and got to resolve a Griselbrand against a creature deck. Easy win.

G2: Dryad Militant T1 followed by a T2 Root Maze. I'm stuck with 2 fetchs and we were ready for G3.

G3: Veteran into deed, another Deed and a Grave Titan to close another easy game.


Round 2: Dredge Won 2/1

Lost the toss

G1: My oppo led with Coliseum. Yeah Dredge -> Oops I got to entomb + reanimate Elesh before getting hit by Cabal Therapy -> G2

G2: Black leyline T0 and I couldn't find any solutions (be it krosan or pulse) -> G3

G3: Black leyline T0 again (without any mulligan) but I have a T3 grip into a T4 entomb + reanimate. Elesh for the win !


Round 3: 4 color Delver Won (2/1)

Lost the toss

G1: Delver was ready to go crazy but a S&T into Thragtusk followed by 2 reanimate on the ever dying Thragtusk made my oppo scoop.

G2: Triple Delver put me in a hard spot. Decayed 1 and managed to land a Grave Titan via a successful S&T. Few miscalculations later (because I didn't attack once with Titan) and a missed trigger on zombie tokens, we headed towards G3.

G3: I'm stuck on 1 land + 3 veteran. My oppo went full tap T2 for double delver (T1 Delver, T2 Ponder + Delver) seeing that I'm stuck on 1 land. T3, I drew fetch -> entomb therapy. T4 I have no other choice than S&T into Titan if not I'm dead. It resolved and I was able to race the double delvers.


Round 4: Omni Won (2/1)

Won the toss

G1: Veteran followed by CT into BS -> hit 2 + flashback hitting 2 S&T. Wow valueeeeeee. I'm able to close the deal right after his first DTT. Phewwww.

G2: I got over confident when my oppo went S&T putting Omni and me Iona but he had a heavy board with Pyro + 7 tokens. Here again, I didn't see that attacking with Iona could give me the win in 2 turns. I chose to play it safe leaving Iona as a blocker. Eventually he drew Emmy like a champ the turn before my lethal strike.

G3: Nasty hand with 2 TS + 2 entomb + 1 reanimate. I chose to go for a T3 entomb + reanimate on Iona after ripping his hands. She got me there !


Round 5: Dunno Draw

We chose to lock the top 8 as we were both at 4/0.
It happened that I was first at the tie breakers !


Quarter Finals: Dredge Won 2/1

I got to start against the same player as G2.

G1: T2 Elesh for a quick scoop

G2: Black leyline T0 (AGAIN !!!! FFS) into dredge half my deck on T1 -> fast scoop

G3: Black leyline T0 (insane probabilities here as he always had T0 black leyline in every G2 & G3 without mulligans). At one point, I managed to destroy the leyline and entombed an Elesh but I'm facing a 15/15 GGT. I'm completely out but a BS revealed = reanimate, snapcaster, reanimate (being at 15 lifes). Eventually, I chumped block several turns (7 or 8) and decked him. DECKED HIM !!! Hell yeah, unbelievable.

Semi Final: D&T Lost 2/0

G1: I reanimated Grisel T2 and drew 7 cards right away (because my opponent's first land was a plain). He had to have a karakas in hand. We traded blow for blow until a point where my board was:
- 1 Baleful strix
- 1 liliana
- 1 Veteran
- 1 Grave titan + 6 tokens

He is dead on my next turn but I'm dead on his because he has just landed another flyer. He has no cards in hand. I waste his karakas and S&T into Grisel. So basically, if he draws another karakas, I'm dead. Topdeck. Karakas...

G2: I kept somewhat a shaky hand that could become great to very great (2 island 2 brainstorm and a bunch of green spells). Eventually, the 2 BS bricked hard and I was about to come back in the game the turn after he had lethal on board. Too bad.

Here is the list I used:

1 Misty Rainforest
1 Tropical Island
1 Wasteland
2 Island
2 Polluted Delta
2 Swamp
2 Underground Sea
3 Bayou
3 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Grave Titan
1 Griselbrand
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Ætherling
2 Thragtusk
3 Baleful Strix
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Recurring Nightmare
2 Pernicious Deed
4 Brainstorm
4 Entomb
1 Careful Study
1 Life from the Loam
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Show and Tell
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Reanimate

SB: 1 Raven's Crime
SB: 1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
SB: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 4 True-Name Nemesis

Something new to help out with the pesky 12 Posts decks.

http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/crumbletodust.jpg

I am getting closer and closer to wanting to throw a red source into my BUG deck. Between Slaughter games and now anti-post tech (which is surprisingly relevant in my meta all of a sudden...) I am getting there.

@inwaking - card links are [ cards ] with no spaces and then after the list [ /cards ] no spaces.

Definitely a relevant one. The RRR cost in Scapewish was always rough (because of Burning Wish). 3R is a much more palatable cost, and not being Blue Blast-able is a cherry on top.

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Originally Posted by Tom4ik

I am getting closer and closer to wanting to throw a red source into my BUG deck. Between Slaughter games and now anti-post tech (which is surprisingly relevant in my meta all of a sudden...) I am getting there.

@inwaking - card links are [ cards ] with no spaces and then after the list [ /cards ] no spaces.

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Yep, I don't have a red dual land, so I'm hoping a single Cinder Glade or Smoldering Marsh will have to do. But yeah, I've wanted Slaughter Games in my Junk SB for awhile, this new card gives me even more of a reason to splash a red. I'm testing out Gitaxian Probe with no blue sources since I can offset the life loss with Rhino and/or Tusk. This would put me on a 5 color "Junk" deck :P

When I played the punishing fire version of this deck I ran 4 probes without a single blue source. I play probe in my bug deck now and pay mana for it very rarely so I think you are fine. Especially with multiple rhinos. I approve of probe in most nic fit decks. We have limited interaction in the first few turns and maximizing that is important. That said it does take up space which better cards could fill so YMMV.