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It took six years, but finally you have your vengeance. Was this some Land Tax + Dragon + Metalworker deck you were working on? I would play whatever crap that came out as. Ramp into Worldgorger Dragon, make Metalworker and have a boatload of mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by overseer1234
Sounds like a sweet Tier 2 Standard deck.
How do you find those six years old posts?
Just attended 70 people tournament in Germany yesterday, the day after Treasure Cruise got banned. Man, it was nice.
The best format feels just right again.
This was the top 8: 2x Death & Taxes, Canadian Threshold, Lands, Infect, MUD, 2x Team America.
It's on the first page. He's probably re-reading the thread and by now he's on page 115.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer
I stopped reading at page 2. Everyone looks really stupid when you are from the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by death
They can't ban Sensei's Divining Top because CounterTop is the only thing holding combo in check in Legacy. Sound familiar?Quote:
Originally Posted by YamiJoey
Hey 5 nonblue decks in the top 8 of SCG. Can we stop whining about brainstorm now?
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Originally Posted by AznSeal
lolol, ofc not, dont you know every time nonblue tops its because they got lucky, until GWx midrange is 70% of the meta legacy is ruined
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This is a totally great point, especially when taken into the context of the full top 32, which has 7 whole non Brainstorm decks! this is looking healthy, and one of those decks features 3 main deck chokes!Quote:
Originally Posted by AznSeal
So looking at that data point it looks like blue decks aren't actually performing very well vs the non blue ones and therefor the meta should swing back as more and more people pick up the non blue decks that are doing so well. This will probably be the last time we see ~75% of the best performing decks running brainstorm as it performed so poorly.
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Originally Posted by testing32
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Originally Posted by FoolofaTook
The dissonance here is that you two are talking about different events. testing32, I think that you're referring to is not GP Lincoln (the first Modern Grand Prix), but Pro Tour Philadelphia (the first Modern Pro Tour). Pro Tour Philadelphia came about half a year before Grand Prix Lincoln.Quote:
Originally Posted by testing32
Though I feel I should point out that they did not have Thalia in Pro Tour Philadelphia, as she was over half a year from being printed.
Also, there weren’t "turn 1 combo decks wrecking things." There were, however, combo decks that could win quite consistently on turn 3 and sometimes turn 2.
I expect that Dig Through Time will find its way to the ban list sooner or later as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AznSeal
Was this supposed to be a dig at me or what? I don't remember ever saying this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoolofaTook
dig is no where near the power of TC. in UR, you can almost cast 2 TCs on the same turnQuote:
Originally Posted by rufus
It's not at you, he is pointing out arguments from the early posts in the thread and using them to draw parallels to Force because he wants Force banned. It's not about you man, don't worry about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by YamiJoey
Someone drew a parallel between the slowest card in the format and the fastest card in the format?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Okay. I think it was a reasonable statement to be baffled by.
Hi,Quote:
Originally Posted by testing32
The first premier modern event was PT Philly. It was a T3 format (Sam Black's Blazing Infect - It could actually in NARROW cases kill on T2), and otherwise it was a T4 format, with splinter twin being, without question, the best deck in the entire room.
Modern doesn't have the cards to kill T1. Nothing would make that possible, as they don't have any t1 rituals, or other t1 enablers - besides mox opal, but that's just good in affinity.
Maybe. I'm form the Wait-n-See tribe.Quote:
Originally Posted by AznSeal
It's on the 2nd page of the thread I think, not you posting it. Lots of people were arguing for banning top and the counter argument that kept coming up was "you can't ban top because CounterTop is the only thing holding combo in check in Legacy".Quote:
Originally Posted by YamiJoey
Obviously this was not the case because CounterTop declined dramatically on it's own and combo didn't take over Legacy in the process. If you point at any card as necessary to the health of Legacy you are likely pointing at a mirage.
The only card that I can think of as possibly being Necessary is Force of Will.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoolofaTook
It is the only thing that really keeps the glass cannon combo decks that try to go of on turn 1 in check, and acts as a pressure valve on the format.
Fear of those combo decks and seeing FoW as how to fight them probably has more to do with the blue prominence in Legacy then any other reason (yes more than BS) Almost every time I talked to someone who did not play legacy their reason for not playing was all the Turn 1 kills, and I even got pointed to you tube videos of those kills in action as a justification for not bothering to look into the format.
The glass cannon combo decks wouldn't go off with even 70% consistency on turn 1 on the play and they'd mull a lot trying to get there. On the draw they'd face a lot of resistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by sjmcc13
Force of Will doesn't prevent a lot of turn 1 losses. It prevents a few turn 1 losses. In the course of doing that it makes a bunch of lists that might be viable almost unplayable.