[Deck] Eva Green - B/g suicide

I'd like to get some advice on sideboarding strategy.

I'm running a more conventional Eva build without Maelstrom Pulse or Gatekeeper. I'm going maindeck +2x Duress to have a better game vs. Combo decks. A bit of a split between Specter/Nighthawk as a concession to aggro, and wanting to play 4 Snuff Outs (ultimate tempo card, obv).

Maindeck:

4x Thoughtseize
2x Duress

4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Sinkhole

4x Dark Ritual
4x Snuff Out

4x Tarmogoyf
4x Nantuko Shade
4x Tombstalker
3x Hypnotic Specter
2x Vampire Nighthawk

4x Wasteland
4x Verdant Catacombs
2x Polluted Delta
2x Bloodstained Mire
3x Bayou
6x Swamp

Sideboard:

2x Jitte
2x Pithing Needle
3x Krosan Grip
4x Leyline of the Void
4x Engineered Plague

My sideboarding strategy is as follows:

NO Bant / Countertop
+3 Grip
-3 Hypnotic Specter

Life
+4 E-Plague (Kor), +2 Needle (Nomads en-Kor, Shaman en-Kor), +2 Jitte
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Nighthawk, -2 Duress

Painter
+2 Needle (Grindstone), +3 Grip
-4 Sinkhole, -1 Nighthawk

Ichorid
+4 Leyline, +4 E-Plague (Illusion, Zombie, Horror)
-4 Snuff Out, -4 Hymn

Breakfast
+4 Leyline, +2 Needle (Nomads en-Kor, Shaman en-Kor)
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Nighthawk

Goblins
+4 E-Plague (goblins), +2 Jitte
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Duress

Merfolk
+4 E-Plague (merfolk), +2 Needle (Vial, Jitte), +2 Jitte
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Duress, -1 Shade, -1 Specter

Zoo
+2 Jitte, +2 Needle (Lavamancer, Pridemage, Jitte)
-4 Sinkhole

Landstill
+3 Grip, +2 Needle (Engineered Explosives, Mishra's Factory, Jace)
-1 Shade, -2 Nighthawk, -2 Duress

Stax
+4 Leyline, +3 Grip
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Nighthawk, -1 Snuff Out

Faerie/Dragon Stompy
+3 Grip
-2 Nighthawk, -1 Duress

Reanimator
+4 Leyline
-4 Snuff Out

Train Wreck
+3 Grip, +2 Needle (Pernicious Deed, Staff of Domination, Oona)
-1 Shade, -2 Nighthawk, -2 Duress

Survival
+4 Leyline, +2 Needle (Survival of the Fittest)
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Nighthawk

ANT/TES
+2 Grip, +2 Needle (Sensei's Divining Top, Lotus Petal)
-4 Snuff Out

Belcher
+4 E-Plague (Goblin), +2 Needle (Goblin Charbelcher, Lotus Petal), +2 Grip
-4 Sinkhole, -4 Snuff Out

43 Land
+4 Leyline, +3 Grip
-4 Snuff Out, -2 Nighthawk, -1 Thoughtseize

UW Tempo
+4 E-Plague (Human), +2 Needle (Jitte, Mother of Runes, Weathered Wayfarer)
-4 Sinkhole, -2 Duress

Elves
+4 E-Plague (Elf), +2 Jitte
-4 Sinkhole, -1 Shade, -1 Hypnotic Specter

Rock
Nothing

Canadian Thresh
Nothing

Any suggestions as to my sideboarding strategy? Perhaps 6 1 CC discard effects are too many MD but I really want to see a T1 play. Otherwise waiting for a T2 Hymn limits my chances. There is a fair amount of Goblins/Merfolk in the meta, so I'm finding it tough to cut Engineered Plague and find room for that 3rd Pithing Needle.

I agree with everyone who's running Maelstrom Pulse. It's better than Pernicious Deed in this deck.

How come no one's running Isoa, Enlightened Bushi? That guy blocks Goyf all day long, and he can't be Force of Willed, which is a big problem for this deck.

Cavius? Is that a joke account?

If so, could you please start using card tags so I don't have to google all the random cards cards you keep bringing up.

Like this...

Isao, Enlightened Bush

I hope that wasn't a troll...

If it's serious, my thoughts on Isao are (this is without playtesting):

1. This deck doesn't want to play defense. Being able to regenerate isn't all that hot.
2. You can't power him out via Dark Ritual.
3. What would you take out to make room for him? At the 3 CC slot, you've already got Pulse/Specter/Nighthawk.

Seems like a troll to me.You know what blocks a ton of creatures all day long and kills them afterwards? Nighthawk, and looks, it's also in the three-slot. I don't think it's a troll account, since it's back from 2006, unless someone made an account all those years ago, and has kept it for the sole purpose of trollling. If so, well done.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by Cavius The Great

How come no one's running Isoa, Enlightened Bushi? That guy blocks Goyf all day long, and he can't be Force of Willed, which is a big problem for this deck.

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Even if it can be countered, why should I counter a 2/1 using FOW?
Counter top like people to defend, so that they can have time to draw a natural order!

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Originally Posted by ccccck

Even if it can be countered, why should I counter a 2/1 using FOW?
Counter top like people to defend, so that they can have time to draw a natural order!

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You are forgetting that it's a LEGENDARY 2/1, so it HAS to be good and a must counter... :rolleyes:

wow, so many bit the bait.

No, I think most got it, but it's fun to state the obvious ;-)

After more testing I am convinced that 2-3 Doran is very very good for the deck. Mana base gets a little more shaky against wasteland but 3 Dorans really add to your threat count.

That's nice.

You can try Lotus petal; it's solid against wastelands.

If I'd run 2x Doran I'd play a mana base like this:

2x lotus petal
2x scrubland
3x marsh flats
3x bayou
4x verdant cc
3x wasteland
4x swamp
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As you can notice I'd choose for -1 wasteland; at times it can be a problem running the full set in a 3-colored build. I don't like it, but that's just my opinion (nothing wrong if you think different about it). The list still plays 4x swamp.


Lotus petal :

- is immune to wastelands.
- feeds stalker AND goyf.
- gives you more options, depending on the game. You can choose whatever kind of color you need at that particular moment, which can be crucial at times (for tempo reasons as well).

You pull 2 Ritual for 2 Petal or what?

And is there any other white that you play other than Doran?
I think that Stp Sets us back too much, PtE is counterproductive, Vindicate just clogs the 3cc spot *and* we dont need more LD.

The only other white spells I think that would be worth running are Gerrard's Verdict and/or Orim's Chant.

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Originally Posted by Deady

That's nice.

You can try Lotus petal; it's solid against wastelands.

If I'd run 2x Doran I'd play a mana base like this:

2x lotus petal
2x scrubland
3x marsh flats
3x bayou
4x verdant cc
3x wasteland
4x swamp
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As you can notice I'd choose for -1 wasteland; at times it can be a problem running the full set in a 3-colored build. I don't like it, but that's just my opinion (nothing wrong if you think different about it). The list still plays 4x swamp.


Lotus petal :

- is immune to wastelands.
- feeds stalker AND goyf.
- gives you more options, depending on the game. You can choose whatever kind of color you need at that particular moment, which can be crucial at times (for tempo reasons as well).

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Thanks for Advice. I never thought of Petal before for some reason. Will give it a try.

I can agree with you on wastelands there are times I just wished they were another fetchland. But on the other hand there were times that lets you get ahead. I need more testing to decide if I want to drop them or not.

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Originally Posted by throst54

You pull 2 Ritual for 2 Petal or what?

And is there any other white that you play other than Doran?
I think that Stp Sets us back too much, PtE is counterproductive, Vindicate just clogs the 3cc spot *and* we dont need more LD.

The only other white spells I think that would be worth running are Gerrard's Verdict and/or Orim's Chant.

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No I don't run any other white spell. I like the shell of Eva Green and the only reason I run Doran is bacuse I needed another creature with a punch. Hawks-Hippies-Gatekeepers just didnt win fast enough.

I generally have no problems removing creatures so no need for StP-PtE.

Too much focus on discard means weaker mid-late game top decks. I find Seize+Hymn enough.

I personally find Maelstrom to be better than Vindicate because I don't run Sinkhole anymore and wasteland has lots some of its power since the printing of enemy fetches. So getting rid of multiple permaments are much better IMO then a single one.

I can only image running Chant in AnT matchup and for that I have 4 Sadistic sacrament.



What do you guys run as Reanimator hate? I used to run Leyline but I am very dissapointed how easy it is for reanimaor player to play around it.
I am thinking of switching to Macabre+Coffin Purge or Run my own Reanimates to steal their creatures.

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Originally Posted by Scopeye

Thanks for Advice. I never thought of Petal before for some reason. Will give it a try.

I can agree with you on wastelands there are times I just wished they were another fetchland. But on the other hand there were times that lets you get ahead. I need more testing to decide if I want to drop them or not.



No I don't run any other white spell. I like the shell of Eva Green and the only reason I run Doran is bacuse I needed another creature with a punch. Hawks-Hippies-Gatekeepers just didnt win fast enough.

I generally have no problems removing creatures so no need for StP-PtE.

Too much focus on discard means weaker mid-late game top decks. I find Seize+Hymn enough.

I personally find Maelstrom to be better than Vindicate because I don't run Sinkhole anymore and wasteland has lots some of its power since the printing of enemy fetches. So getting rid of multiple permaments are much better IMO then a single one.

I can only image running Chant in AnT matchup and for that I have 4 Sadistic sacrament.



What do you guys run as Reanimator hate? I used to run Leyline but I am very dissapointed how easy it is for reanimaor player to play around it.
I am thinking of switching to Macabre+Coffin Purge or Run my own Reanimates to steal their creatures.

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The mana base is not stable if you add white just for Doran. Unstable mana base affects the tempo of the deck and makes the deck slow. Creatures of Eva Green is more than enough for choose, I use Tarmogoyf/Tombstakler/Hawk/Bloodlord 16 beaters are enough already.
You really need sinkhole to beat ANT. Beating ANT is easy, just use chalice of the void, a turn 1 or 2 hymn/sinkhole/chalice for 1/ hyppie can beat the deck.

Macabre and coffin is not good for reanimator hate. They need to found a chain of vapor if you put down an turn 0 Leyline. The Leyline deley their set up from turn 1-2 to turn 3-4, which is important since you can start beating them to around 12 life when they set up.
For Macabre & coffin, they can just duress/throughtseize, which is their usual action before they set up.
Also, chalice of the void for 1 stops half of the deck in reanimator.

My first post in this thread. I've read through this thread for ideas, since I play a B/G deck which is similar to Eva Green.

A few questions:

Has anyone tried Creakwood Liege? It's a little slow to get out, but in playtesting, he's been a hell of a lot better than I expected.
You might think: "so what, he's a 2/2 creature that makes 1/1 tokens". But no, he creates 3/3 tokens, due to his own ability. If you put two lieges on the board, they crank out two 5/5 tokens each turn. They also pump up all your other creatures, making it feel more like an Elf or Merfolk deck. He is vulnerable, and even dies to Grim Lavamancer, but if he stays alive even just two full turns he is still worth it.

Also, how about Imp's Mischief? I'm torn on this card. On the one hand, I hate that I have to hold back 2 mana to use him. On the other hand, it acts as a counter-counterspell, and there are so many other wild ways it can win you the game that it's hard to count. For example, you can force a player to hit one of his own creatures with StP, or Reanimate your small creature instead of the Iona he was going for. In a mirror match, you can force your opponent to Sinkhole one of his own lands instead of yours.

Why no one uses Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as a 1 or 2 of? It makes your wastelands more useful, and if you're low on life you can just tap your fetchlands for mana instead of having to sacrifice them.

Wasn't Life from the Loam once popular in this deck? Why no more? Even if the opponent counters it, you can still get it back. It also dedges more cards, making Tombstalker and Goyf better.

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Originally Posted by John Rohan

My first post in this thread. I've read through this thread for ideas, since I play a B/G deck which is similar to Eva Green.

A few questions:

Has anyone tried Creakwood Liege? It's a little slow to get out, but in playtesting, he's been a hell of a lot better than I expected.
You might think: "so what, he's a 2/2 creature that makes 1/1 tokens". But no, he creates 3/3 tokens, due to his own ability. If you put two lieges on the board, they crank out two 5/5 tokens each turn. They also pump up all your other creatures, making it feel more like an Elf or Merfolk deck. He is vulnerable, and even dies to Grim Lavamance, but if he stays alive even just two full turns he is still worth it.

Also, how about Imp's Mischief? I'm torn on this card. On the one hand, I hate that I have to hold back 2 mana to use him. On the other hand, it acts as a counter-counterspell, and there are so many other wild ways it can win you the game that it's hard to count. For example, you can force a player to hit one of his own creatures with StP, or ]Reanimate your small creature instead of the Iona he was going for. In a mirror match, you can force your opponent to Sinkhole one of his own lands instead of yours.

Why no one uses Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as a 1 or 2 of? It makes your wastelands more useful, and if you're low on life you can just tap your fetchlands for mana instead of having to sacrifice them.

Wasn't Life from the Loam once popular in this deck? Why no more? Even if the opponent counters it, you can still get it back. It also dedges more cards, making Tombstalker and Goyf better.

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I'm not aware of any Eva Green deck that uses Life from the Loam. It's a very tempo-oriented deck that can't sit back to cast Loam, and a lot of your other card suggestions wouldn't fit for that same reason. However, I think there's more room to explore in other mid-range B/g decks, especially in Pox, where there was discussion of decks that used Urborg and Loam.

Just posted a tournament report where I used Eva Green. Check it out here: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...itish-Columbia

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Originally Posted by John Rohan

Why no one uses Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as a 1 or 2 of? It makes your wastelands more useful, and if you're low on life you can just tap your fetchlands for mana instead of having to sacrifice them.

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I have no idea. I'm going to swap out a swamp for one right now. I really have no idea why this would be a bad idea. aside from maybe helping an opponent who needs black, or doesnt want to fetch...hmmm...ill test it