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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
Just because there was one Top 8? I'm sure it will go up because this seems to be the new way of Legacy, but I don't think it should.
-Matt
It didn't make top 8, he needed to win his last match to top 8 and got stomped by rock.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
thecrav
It will be like every other flash in the pan card. It'll be back down to normal value in a week or two. Other than this potential high-tide deck, what value does it have outside of casual?
There's also a tier 2-3 8-post deck that runs them.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
It makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside when I hear Rock stomped High Tide.
-Matt
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dontbiteitholmes
It didn't make top 8, he needed to win his last match to top 8 and got stomped by rock.
It's the real deal. I don't expect it to be tier 1, but it's definitely competitive. It's got multiple wins and it's tough to game against. Extirpate is good against it, if you can get a High Tide in the yard before he goes nuts.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Is it just me, or has the price of power recently rebounded a little bit? I picked up a Mox Sapphire and Mox Ruby a month or so ago each for about 265$ (MP condition). Now I can't seem to find any mox sell for less than 300$ on ebay. Is this a real trend, or did I just get lucky? Time Walks and Ancestral Recalls seem to be selling closer to 400$ on ebay now, too!
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Didn't think that was anything new really. I just sold a set of beta moxes, walk, and twister lately. Walk got 400, moxes went for around 300, sapphire went for 480, and twister went for 200. Little low on twister, but it was played.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
sigfig8
Is it just me, or has the price of power recently rebounded a little bit? I picked up a Mox Sapphire and Mox Ruby a month or so ago each for about 265$ (MP condition). Now I can't seem to find any mox sell for less than 300$ on ebay. Is this a real trend, or did I just get lucky? Time Walks and Ancestral Recalls seem to be selling closer to 400$ on ebay now, too!
Just sold a Ruby on MOTL for $260, in MP Condition. I don't think prices are moving very much.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Ok, thanks for the perspective. I'll keep an eye out for good deals on ebay, then. It will all come down to patience. I wonder if power will drop further or if it'll stabilize...gosh I feel like I'm talking about the stock market.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Condition makes a different once Power. Really nice UNL Walk/Recall will get to the 400 mark, but most of the time Recall/Walk is at 325-350.
-Matt
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
death
On the same note, I pulled the trigger on 4x Candelabras at 45-50 last night after the game, stores are now selling them at much higher prices and most are out of stock. It has the same rarity as Moat (but played in multiples) so god forbid and good luck to those still planning to acquire them.
Candelabras are even rarer than that, I'm afraid; Antiquities actually had a much lower print run than Legends. AQ had a print of ~15M, Legends had ~35M, according to Crystalkeep.
http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/products/legends.php
http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/pro...ntiquities.php
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Print run isn't the whole story; fewer cards in the set (fewer rares) and smaller packs affect the rarity of the individual rares.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
cdr
Print run isn't the whole story; fewer cards in the set (fewer rares) and smaller packs affect the rarity of the individual rares.
Except there were no rares in Arabian Nights, Antiquities, The Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands. Only commons and uncommons of varying frequency (C4-C1 for commons, U3-U1 for uncommons). So while Wizards has "retconned" the U1s from those sets into rares, that doesn't change the fact that you could get a pack (the packs listed as containing 2 uncommons and 6 commons for those sets) and pull two U1 "rares" or no U1 "rares."
I personally opened an Arabians pack that had a Library of Alexandria and a Bazaar of Baghdad in it once upon a time (late-90s).
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Well by all means, let's crunch some numbers.
AQ packs had 2 uncommons, and 6 commons. So 1/4 of the cards were uncommons (i.e., from the uncommon sheet).
According to Crystalkeep, the uncommon sheet had 26 U1s, 5 U2s, 28 U3s.
26+10+84 = 120. Candelabra was U1, so there'd be 1 Candelabra per sheet. (It seems like a sheet probably was 11 by 11 = 121, but that's negligible for this calculation. Maybe the last spot was a rules card or something?)
15 million * 1/4 * 1/120 = 31,125 Candelabras printed.
Now, legends. Legends packs were released with the familiar 1 rare, 3 uncommons, 11 commons. So 1/15 of legends cards were rares. 121 rares in the set.
35 million * 1/15 * 1/121 = 19,283 Moats printed.
So I guess there's more Candelabras than Moats after all! The set size is what really threw me, I forgot how big Legends was.
I don't know whether Crystalkeep's numbers factor in Italian legends.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
MattH
Well by all means, let's crunch some numbers.
AQ packs had 2 uncommons, and 6 commons. So 1/4 of the cards were uncommons (i.e., from the uncommon sheet).
According to Crystalkeep, the uncommon sheet had 26 U1s, 5 U2s, 28 U3s.
26+10+84 = 120. Candelabra was U1, so there'd be 1 Candelabra per sheet. (It seems like a sheet probably was 11 by 11 = 121, but that's negligible for this calculation. Maybe the last spot was a rules card or something?)
15 million * 1/4 * 1/120 = 31,125 Candelabras printed.
Now, legends. Legends packs were released with the familiar 1 rare, 3 uncommons, 11 commons. So 1/15 of legends cards were rares. 121 rares in the set.
35 million * 1/15 * 1/121 = 19,283 Moats printed.
So I guess there's more Candelabras than Moats after all! The set size is what really threw me, I forgot how big Legends was.
I don't know whether Crystalkeep's numbers factor in Italian legends.
Good crunching, except for one small thing you messed up.
Moat was a U1 in Legends, with 107 U1s per sheet and 7 U2s per sheet. So that's 121 uncommons per sheet. So to redo your math...
35 million * 1/5 * 1/121 = 57,851 Moats printed.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
Moat was a rare as far as I knew. I opened enough boxes of Legends to argue that one a little. I packed maybe 6 moats in the entire time I opened packs as compared to dozens of Mana Drains. I'd double check that one. It didn't seem like an uncommon at all.
I could be wrong, but I would be very surprised.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
According to CrystalKeep's info on print runs there were 19,500 of each Legends rare and 31,000 of each Antiquities U1. I don't think this factors in Italian Legends though. I found it interesting that there are actually less copies of each Legends rare in English than there are of each piece of power. I guess it helps explain the huge price tag on Moat and Tabernacle.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
How many UNL rares are there of each? I know there's 3300 A/B copies, but I doubt Moats are rarer than a piece of Power in any edition.
-Matt
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
dahcmai
Moat was a rare as far as I knew. I opened enough boxes of Legends to argue that one a little. I packed maybe 6 moats in the entire time I opened packs as compared to dozens of Mana Drains. I'd double check that one. It didn't seem like an uncommon at all.
I could be wrong, but I would be very surprised.
http://www.magiccards.info/lg/en/197.html
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...verseid=159308
Magic Cards lists Moat as a U1.
Gatherer lists Moat as a Rare.
Considering that Wizards has been known to change rarities for whatever reason in Gatherer, I'm not sure which one to trust.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
How many UNL rares are there of each? I know there's 3300 A/B copies, but I doubt Moats are rarer than a piece of Power in any edition.
-Matt
Again according to CrystalKeep, there are 4300 of each Limited (Alpha+Beta) rare and 18,500 of each Unlimited rare for a total of 22,800 copies of each piece of power which is more than a Legends rare. I guess if Moat is really a U1 then there are more Moats.
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Re: Raise, raise, raise. The price of cardboard
In looking at the document labeled as "fancy pdf" on CrystalKeep's Legends product page it appears that Moat was originally a rare. The pdf appears to denote rarity and has Moat as a rare and the site has the document labeled as from August, 1995 which I would think is from before any WotC changes would have been applied to the rarity.
