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I think I may have had a wish or something... Or maybe Duress? I really dont remember much other than punting vs you and then punting the next Game 3 against Delver. Oh and I remember the epic donuts I ate after I leftQuote:
Originally Posted by phazonmuant
2 punts and donuts ... Sounds more like watching AFC Football than playing Magic :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
As a Miami Dolphins fan I do like AFC football. And I know all about punts as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I feel like my hands against you were fine. My G1 hand lacked disruption which sucked, but it was fast.
So, you're saying it's a 50/50 match? :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I've played against it a few times and tested some with ANT before I decided to build and play TES instead. That's all pretty much the jest of it. Never got to play Silence ftw though. Seems as silly as losing to a Mana Tithe.
5) Killing themselves with Ad Nauseam when they try to go off too fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
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Originally Posted by phazonmuant
Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. Turn out is small because of something. Then people stop showing because turn out is small. It becomes a waste to drive an hour round trip (more with traffic) to just play 3 rounds. One of which is inevitably against somebody I want to throw in front of a MARTA bus. Then a non interactive 5 minute game vs. combo. So maybe I get 40 minutes of meaningful gameplay for an hour drive and $5. I'm just not interested anymore. When we were getting 4-5 rounds you got to see a variety of different stuff. 3 rounds and 12 people; with 6 on some combo or another not so much.
That is a fair point. I mean it isn't like people in our meta dont have the cards to play RUG and smash through the combo decks. I was noticing that a lot of the regulars havent been there the past couple of weeks... Here's to hoping that the summer helps to pick up the attendance.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedleeds
With 12-14 peeps you can still play 3 rounds + Top 4 like we did a few weeks ago
We are more used to 20-25 people. 4 rounds and cut to top 8, 90% of the time we split top 4. People have lives and stuff and nobody wants to be there until 1 AMQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I was practicing this deck on cockatrice (I know, not a great testing ground) and I hit an opponent with maindeck leyline.
Game 2 he concedes after I play an LED on turn 5, and then he calls me a "****** who cannot play a really deck". *sigh* I hate noobs sometimes.
I almost assume he was playing enchantress? LED on turn 5 is hilarious. An aggro deck would have won by turn 5, and you're complaining? I can also play 'real magic' quite well, I just choose to play combo 95% of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by monovfox
Love how he conceded to just LED and not LED + infernal tutor/wish/AdN/SOMETHING that can actually kill him. My opponents never conceded to me casting LED. But this is just how bad people on cockatrice are. It's like conceding to a black lotus when the opponent has nothing to cast with said black lotus.
I know right xD !
In other news, I'm new to the deck, but why do we run brainstorm over preordain (I'm using master cook's list). I feel like there are occasionally times where I'd much rather have a preordain than a brainstorm. Someone mind explaining why we run it this way?
How about you make the swap and get back to us? You'll find out for yourself in a couple games why Brainstorm is the most powerful card in Legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by monovfox
Brainstorm enables some very sick lines of play, increases the turn 1 win percentage, and is literally the best spell in legacy. You haven't lived until you brainstorm ad nauseam on top and crack two LED's in response to a probe/cantrip of some kind into AdN. Hands that would be otherwise unkeepable in TES are improved greatly by the card. I can assure you that preordain <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< brainstorm virtually every time. Whenever I cast brainstorm with 4 or more cards in hand in storm combo in general it isn't uncommon for me to win on the spot regardless of combo deck because the card is that good.
Tested preordain. Now I understand. Brainstorm is more of a "I see 3 more cards" than a "I craft my top deck" kind of deal.
Also, is it fine if I run 2 duress 3 silence 2 cabal therapy main board? I don't like drawing too many silences, as they are kinda useless with chrome mox.
You can put the cards that you don't want in your hand back. It is draw 3 cards and then put 2 back. The 2 does not have to be in the 3 that you draw. I felt like I needed to make that clear, because it didn't seem like you got that from your responses. If you did, then I apologize. Most people that play Legacy magic know this.Quote:
Originally Posted by monovfox
This is why Brainstorm is considered the "best card" in Legacy. Also, it's the only format where Brainstorm can be played as a 4 of, so that speaks a lot about it.
Your disruption suit depends on your metagame. If you have more traditional blue control decks that play heavy counter magic, you'll find that Silence is better, but if you have more Counterbalance type decks or less blue control decks, then hand disruption might be better...
At this point i want to make a very bold Statement and say: If you want to chop down the playset of silences you don't use Silence properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by monovfox
Playing out Top 8 with less than 30 people is rather pointless imo. I rather play another regular round. I hate it to play only 5-6 rounds in a tournament and facing some peeps a second time in near each of the Elimination rounds. I will push the idea of get'n rid of our common Top 4 faceoff in favor of a pure Swiss-Concept to see more different opponents in my playtimeQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Edit: In 3 of the last tournaments i still have not played against all the regulars there because of that crap and i really want to face the problematic matchups like miracles/stoneblade which get often stomped by 12-Post/NicFit/Jund and shit in the rounds 1 or 2 and this being effectively out of my reach (most of the time). playing against Combo or Jund all Day gets boring
Tested against a standard build of Combo Elves yesterday with a good friend of mine who's getting more into legacy.
Even with tons of misplays from my part, I was able to do T1 kill once and T2 kill twice. The other games I was sticking to playing Silence during his upkeep to stop his combo.
Overall?
-I have a lot to learn about that deck;
-Pen and papers are a MUST! You were right guys!
-Damn, it's so amazing to play!
Thanks for introducing me to that list. Next step? Acquire LEDs.
Combo Elves is a damn good MU for us. I have never lost to them. Unless your hand is absolute garbage you should be fine vs them. Watch out for MB Trap in G2+3.
That one's going to hurt... The market price on Reserve List cards has shot through the roof across the board over the past few years. It's a worthwhile investment though! There's nothing quite like playing with 8 Demonic Tutors, 4 Ancestral Recalls, and 4 Black Lotuses (Loti?) in your deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
Wish is not a Demonic Tutor D:
@KayradisQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Thorn of Amethyst and Cabal Therapy are also popular options, also Gaddock Teeg isn't uncommon. Expect Therapies from the decks that play Duals, and Thorns from the mono G lists. And Elves is indeed a very good matchup, silence is a house. There's really no need to spend time testing it. Just know that they'll bring in 4-8 cards that can potentially ruin your day G2/G3, and don't board out all your disruption. For the combo turn it's nice to have a Duress or Silence to protect yourself, there's just no reason to lose such an easy matchup.
Doing some testing lately and my meta is infested with discard. it's really hard to win vs
T1 inquisition
T2 hymn
T3 liliana
Our main strategy vs discard is to play artifact mana and sit for a tutor. But that's not really an option against liliana.
what's the best sideboard card vs discard? I was thinking leyline of sanctity ( also has the potential to shutdown other decks like the mirror match ).
Problem is: your ad nauseam gets a lot worse, but i think the correct play vs discard is to play an early ETW. Still i'm hoping there's a card that fits better in TES
Any thoughts?
The issue was discussed several times and is adressed in the reports you can find in my signature. The Solution to discard heavy matchups is Past in Flames and SilenceQuote:
Originally Posted by s0205659
Leyline is nonsense. It Deals 4 damage to you off Ad Nauseam forces you to ugly mulligans and does nothing in the mirror
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Originally Posted by Lemnear
It does nothing in the mirror?
- they can't tendrils you
- they can't duress, cabal therapy, gitaxian probe you and hence can't go off safely. A simple silence wins the game here.
*As i said before, it's just a mere example. It's good in the mirror, but also against burn, other combo decks and all discarding decks.
*As for the ad nauseam: please read my post. In this matchup i want to combo off into ETW, not in tendrils.
*Past in flames might be good enough against targeted discard spells, but just isn't good enough against recurring discard like liliana ( which all discard decks play ). Once it sticks, it's very hard to get to the 4-5 mana needed, especially if your lands get wasted.
*Silence also isn't the best choice here. Most G2 they start the game, open with inquisition, take a needed piece to start going off. silencing them on their second turn doesn't matter that much if you can't go off the next turn.
Who cares about Tendrils? Cast Ad Nauseam into EtW and play Silence in their upkeep. You can still probe yourself or use Silence to prevent theirs trying to interrupt your Combo turn. I don't comment the idea of boarding Therapies over Xantids against Leyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by s0205659
- The "other" current Legacy Combo decks are S&T variants or reanimator-style, Leyline does nothing here. Burn.dec isn't a real issue by it's nature.
- Sorry, I won through a Liliana in topdeck Mode in a Jund matchup and have at least an idea how this situation can be adressed. I don't think it's THAT bad. This matchups is only a problem if you keep ugly hands. Artificial situations like IoK, Hymn, Liliana then Wastelanding without you being able to Silence-Walk or Combo off during 3 fucking turns isn't a very common setting in a real game.
- We have 2 Jund playing regulars at our tournament series which I played often so far. I wrote about keeping sketchy hands like U.Sea, 2 Rituals, LED, Infernal and then wondering why you loose to Inquisition Turn 1. Silence is still a thing preventing Hymn/Liliana and giving you another turn. You can read all about that in my reports.
PiF is a house vs Liliana decks. Sure sometimes they get the nutters and they win, but you cant really beat the nutters disruption hands. I have had my Jund opponents have the T1 Seize, T2 Hymn, T3 Liliana, 4 times, and I am 3-1 in those games. You simply wish for a PiF and just sit on it. Every top decked mana source gets discarded to Liliana, and then you activate LEDs and Rape your opponent. It is difficult, but it is more than possible to fight through.
Played against BUG today just for shits and giggles....Well, played is a pretty big term since I went off turn 2/3 every game.
Damn. I love that deck!
Anybody playing the deck this weekend at SCG Seattle? Im watching the stream hoping to see someone wrack their opponent's day with a steady T2/3 kill.
Depends which BUG you played against... Shardless? Ive found Bug Delver to be annoying as shit.
BUG Control.
Based of the fact that I didn't see any creature makes me believe so.
Still, Im gonna keep working on the deck. Ill let you know my progress.
What about Deathrite Shaman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Looks like nothing remotely playable for us (or any Legacy deck for that matter) in Dragon's Maze. A little disappointing I suppose.
Too be honest, it would be rather suprising to find anything for Storm-Combo in a 5/6/7cc-creature-themed-expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
@folks: HotS Vol.3 was delayed for a few days while being originally announced for the past Weekend. Had to spend time with my new, stunning beautiful GF :DD
Boobs > Magic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Unfortunate but true.
Goldfishing is fun :P
Ripped UG Sea, Petal, LED, LED, Infernal => T1 AdN with B in pool at full HP. About 8 drawn cards would've scored a lethal Tendrils but hey, this deck can showboat, or so I've heard...
So we'll draw more cards! Hm, Petal, Silence just in case. Then some (4) rituals, another LED, Infernal for Wish for Past in Flames, uh...
ETW @ 34? Nice. But we can do more.
ETW @ 46! Goblin population totals is 160 :D
Seasoned with Grapeshot for 47. With 1 black mana floating. My foresight was not enough to grab Therapy for more Goblins and burnination.
IGG for LED, LED, LED feels filthy.
DRS can cause problems, but if it comes down after Liliana it is a bit slow. And if they have the nutters like that then GG, but how often will that actually happen? Probably less than the amount of time that you blow your load on their face on turn 1. Sometimes your opponent just has all of the answers. You cant worry about everything. If you are worried about that then you wouldnt be playing this deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jin
Was that necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Very. If it isnt vulgar, it isnt fun. Also Im like a 12 year old. I like cursing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Star|Scream
What I meant was, if you Wish too early, they can change their game plan and just get you with Deathrite Shaman. Or they might not have the back to back discard and just held back the Deathrite Shaman in fear of dying first turn. In which case, your Wish target might have been a poor choice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I usually wait until the last possible moment to wish. If it is turn 4 and they have shredded my hand a bit, They have an active Liliana and I draw LED for my turn, Ill play out my LED and wish for PiF. If they play DRS then Oh well I suppose. Maybe it isnt the right play, but I haven't lost with this line of play before (though I did sack into a win before) and I probably would do it again if it comes up. Like I said, sometimes they just get all of the hate and you just cannot win. That is the risk that you run.