Baneslayer sounds really tempting and I wanna conform and all but they're so expensive! I doubt the price of them will ever go down =/
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Baneslayer sounds really tempting and I wanna conform and all but they're so expensive! I doubt the price of them will ever go down =/
You could always go with exalted angel. She is very easy to get out and she can turn around a game against aggro just like Baneslayer. Unfortunatly she will probably go down in price a bit but not much. good luck.
Excuse me? Are we all new at Magic here? Baneslayer is a card that works in like one eternal deck, and her slot there is contested. In other words, it's only a matter of time.
Let's talk about some recent chase rares: Bitterblossom is now less than half the price it was at its peak. Cryptic Command is now less than half the price it was at its peak. Cards that go in many decks (fetches, duals) and those that can be easily splashed in (Tarmogoyf) stay pricey. Thoughtseize is generally useful and splashable, but even it has gone down a bit. I just don't see Baneslayer staying at $60.
Yes you are correct but it gets played plenty in extended, also its a choice card among casual players. Casuals seek out this card as much as competitive constructed players. (Baneslayer doesnt seel for $60 it sells for $40.) She will always be a card many people will want to hold on to.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirbysdl
Yes, and if she gets reprinted in M11 (and after Jund rotates our of Standard), I suspect she'll remain a $40-50 chase rare.
Anyway, I've decided to sell this deck for a playset of Tundra and a playset of Flooded Strand. Stax is just too inconsistent for my tastes. It's been fun guys.
Noooo~~ :( What are you planning to play then? Landstill.. countertop..? Stax > those!
He'll be back. I have both those built as well and Stax is by far the most fun to play. I dont see why he cant play them both.
I saw some lists with Karakas but i didnt understand why they are using them, can anybody tell me why? ;)
I was testing a list that uses 3 Magus and 2 Exalteds(baneslayers are much expensive), but i decided to change to 4 magus and 1 exalted because I really missed a fourth magus, since the bests decks in legacy today are aggro, merfolk, zoo, goblins... It helped me a lot and I wouldnt run less then four of them. I tried a list using 6 creatures, with 2 exalted, cutting 1 trinesphere, but a first turn trinesphere is very nice, so i added a fourth trinesphere and reduced the exalteds to 1.
I've been playing with this deck and I noticed that one of the problems i had was against decks that uses crucible of worlds, loam, and this Land/graveyard strategy. Sometimes i really miss a fourth ring, but i reallly dont know what to remove.
What you guys think about Elspeth?
You can bounce Iona with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArthurGress
Gaddock Teeg too.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnwarA101
Yea, what the people above me have said. We can bounce Iona and Gaddock Teeg which are the most annoying creatures against stax in my opinion. I sideboarded a 4th Magus instead of maindecking it due to the tight list :x I've tried elspeth and didn't like it since it costs two white and since we are playing elspeth we also need moat if we're playing. And moats are crazy expensive like ravages, but I think ravages are a better investment over time. I've tried exalted angel before.. but I would rather go for Kotr. Though I am not too sure about baneslayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArthurGress
Has anyone tried Bojuka Bog yet? I'm thinking of running it as a one of.
If I run a single scrubland than perhaps the deck can support running Leyline of the Void SB like Q-Ball suggested...
That would provide 6 black sources to the deck. Scrubland can be searched for by Flagstone and Bog can be fetched by KotR if anyone still runs it.
Bog would be a recursive uncounterable way to deal with graveyards.
Not a bad idea.
Ive been trying to make the aggro match winable. For me, this means 6-8 propaganda affects, 5-6 armageddons, suppresion fields, and even possibly a DoJ/WoG. This of course weakens the hell out of a few other matchups.
I'm now testing KotR and I must say he really helps quite a bit, he's like a lodestone of sorts, a good heavy beater that must be answered, but with less utility in this deck I feel.
Ive thought about a version with black I dont know if its worth going that route yet.
My concern would be that it doesn't produce white, unlike the Canopy and Savannah "splash lands" that Wg lists use. The recursion and uncounterable nature are appealing, but shrug. If you end up testing it, please let us know what you see. =)
Exactly. I think that grave decks aren't the biggest problem of this deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moduloc
As I said some posts before, grave isnt the problem, the biggest problems was agaist decks that uses crucible of worlds and loam.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenCid
I played at least 6 games against aggro loam, and i lost all games.
When I sideboarded against them I putted in S.Fields against seismic assault, crypts against their grave, but it didnt stopped them.
Their have more draws, more kill conditions,
My principal meta right now is try to find something that can help me, at least get a chance of winning.
As I said some posts before, grave isnt the problem, the biggest problems was agaist decks that uses crucible of worlds and loam.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenCid
I played at least 6 games against aggro loam, and i lost all games.
When I sideboarded against them I putted in S.Fields against seismic assault, crypts against their grave, but it didnt stopped them.
Their have more draws, more kill conditions,
My principal meta right now is try to find something that can help me, at least get a chance of winning.
Decks that abuse loam seem to be the biggest problem for me as well. Unless I land a CotV on 2 early they outdraw and out permanent us quickly...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArthurGress
Which is why I am trying to get Leyline on board as it works against 43 lands, aggroloam, and reanimator.
Graveyard decks are not a problem, and graveyard decks do nothing in a meta full of blue decks (bant, merfolks, canadian...). The main problem I have playing this deck are bant decks, with so many resources, so many big creatures and NOBLE HIERARCH, first turn hierarch ruins all our chances to do nothing against this deck.
In the last tournament of 92 people I played (the report is in page 104) I do 5-0-2, only losed against bant decks.
This is just why I think too in a black splash, but to put 4 perish in sideboard.
I agree with Alu.. Bant decks were something I've had trouble in the past. I've beaten aggro loam several times before but it wasn't easy. Bant decks have every little thing that you wouldn't like. And noble hierarchs are annoying because they provide exalted and mana. Even though you blow up their lands they still have the noble hierarchs which can help them win. Choke in sb is my best card against them and maybe defense grid. Other than that.. I have no idea how to deal with them.
In the tournament I mentioned early, in my first match against a survibant I started with choke and opponent first turn was taiga and hierarch ;-p. In the second match against bant, opponent played some hierarchs and choke doesn't avoid opponent to play everything. In my third match against a bant deck I finally side in other cards instead instead chokes xD
Choke does nothing to this deck and if its a survival Bant does NOTHING XD
This is why in the first moment against this deck I was thinking in a card that does anything against green creatures (not only for hierarch, but also for qasali, goyf, warmonk...) Then my first thought was hibernation, but I think that destroy the creatures is better than put them into hand so maybe perish is the card we are seeking.
Oh! Another card I would like to test in side is Wash out for its versatility.
I think that the new biggest threat is from bant counter top, and bant NO to as they can gat a 3 or 4 drop on top very easily now, and that just ruins your day.
I don't agree with that, Its near impossible that they could activate top with 3 fields MD and 1 in side.
I agree I've had problems with that list due to the amount of three and four drops. I would if we should pack some more five and six drops. I was looking a austrie command to deal with their boys and wipe counterbalance off the board.
seems like an awful choice... its too expensive and hits our own stuff. I cant think of anything else better off the top of my head though.
your right ghostly prison, o ring. Why didnt I see that. :\
Maybe it is not the time of period for stax.. when people expect it least we all bring our stax decks and whoop everyone! :D But yea.. I am fresh out of ideas for sideboard cards against bant ct or survival besides the ones I have already said :'(
Why not just make it so they can't attack you?
Seems like Ghostly Prison/Propaganda + Armageddon's good unless they have two hierarchs? And if you've got a Magus or what not out they might not be able to keep those.
The main problem against Bant decks is that you need almost all the cards the deck has, so we have to see first witch cards you could quit and then put the cards you want in.
In my list i think the cards I could quit are Trinispheres and Baneslayer angel. Then I prefer put Defense grid because counterspells and Tsunami instead chokes.
So:
-3 Trinisphere +3 Defense grid
-2 Baneslayer Angel +2 Tsunami
This way you have a card that is better against counters (with grid fows cost the same that with sphere and daze cost 3 and a land) and meanwhile we have 6 geddon effects to destroy its lands.
What matchups have you found the fields to be useless or near useless? I debting at this weekends tournament to maindeck them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Al-ucard
No chance at all against Bant.
Maybe some of the cards below may help?
Wrath of God -> Get rid of annoying Hierarchs faster than Smokestack
Maze of Ith -> Keep the biggest exalted creature in control
Parallax Wave -> Interesting old school Angel Stompy card, buys time against Zoo too.
Basically combo, decks without fetchlands (dredge comes to mind). Put them MD, you will not regret, first turn suppresion its near GG against a lot of decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moduloc
Al-ucard, do you put smokestax in the board, if not what do you side for different matchups? thanks.
I don't play smokestacks, they are too slow to play against ant, zoo and Bant with retainer/iona decks (basically my meta)
I chose to main Suppresion fieilds like you suggested and I was so happy with the result. It feels so much like a second chalice. It was amazing. After playing it the whole tournament I just realized how dead smokestack really is. Four mana and wait a turn to do anything, ugg.
Round one against reanimater was a cake walk. My life total never dipped below twenty both games. Round two was the grinder, Lands. I had him both games had I drawn into at least one armageddon. Guess what, I didnt. We went to time with a draw. Suppresion field against lands is just plain ugly. round three was zoo, how I hate zoo, he took me 2-1. Always just one more turn alway from stabilizing. I have only ever lost to zoo in tournaments before with this deck. Round four, Dredge, this is such a bad matchup for dredgel. Game one even is bad for them. What am I missing with zoo? theres got to be something or something im not doing right, suggestions. thanks.
Against zoo you only need to draw chalice/prison/magus to have time until you play geddon and then you will stabilize, and if you have suppresion in play its near GG. Maybe you have bad luck...
Actually I'm tinkering with an aggro stax deck, maybe I will play with it next weekend in a big tournament.
how many magus do you run in your build?Quote:
Originally Posted by Al-ucard
Now I'm playing with 4 magus and 2 baneslayer angel. Magus is one of the 2 cards that seals the game, the other is Armageddon XD
I think it is crucial for us to get The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale due to all the aggro around. The thing is.. that ONE card is about the price of 4 baneslayers :( maybe more.