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@SBGpinas: You call 3 Griselbrands a few? You could easily add the 4th Grisel over the 2nd Flayer to have similar effects. I know that you can combokill easily with 2 Flayers, but it's much more likely to have 1 DR and 1 Grisel to win, instead of having 2 Flayers, 2 DRs and 1 Cabal Therapy. =0
@slave: How does Flayer win through a Leyline? I think Angel is better here. =P
That said, my favorite main configuration is still: 3 Grisel, 1 Flayer, 1 Angel.
For one thing, 3 is a few when you consider the fact that a deck has 60 cards... Math sucks, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroYawgmoth
And another, the scenario I described is just a scenario. I'm not saying that that is the only reason why 2 Flayers are crucial.
More than anything, the 2 Flayers provide the deck with combo-redundancy... Saying it doesn't need redundancy is like saying ANT should just use 3 Ad Nauseam and call it a day... After all, by your logic, 3 copies is not "a few", and it should be enough for ANT to steamroll a lot of matchups... See where that takes you.
Well... 2 is fewer than 3, so math sucks, eh? Even if you'd play a card 4 times it is "few" in your mathematical point of view, so why bother with numbers at all?
The scenario was a very bad scenario, cuz you are basically saying. If I have this 5 cards I can win, with otherwise wouldn't be possible. If one of these 2 Flayers were a Griselbrand for example, you could easily win with much lesser cards in your graveyard. [Hint: It's only 1 Return which is needed.] 2nd Flayer IMO is ALWAYS worse than 4th Griselbrand. You should even win the game right on the spot if you have 1 Flayer and 2 Dread Returns in the grave 95% of the times. There is really no need for a second one.
And ANT with 3+ Ad Nauseams? LOL, In what world do you life?
Double Flayer allows you to win without Trolls (e.g. after Extirpating them).
Running less than four Griselbrands seems to be a mistake, you always need one as soon as possible and additional copies can feed Ichorid. Personally, I only run 4 Griselbrands and 1 Angel and have never lost a game after resolving Dread Return yet. If I expect Elves, i can see adding Elesh Norn to sb because that's the only deck that sometimes can suvive a chain of Therapies and Angels.
For lillte Elf we have Contagion, Elesh is still too good vs some mu but hard to find slot for her.
Well, Contagions require more slots than Elesh. And don't get me wrong - Elesh should only be considered if you cut Flayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOSCA
I see you conveniently ignored the point of my reply...Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroYawgmoth
no use explaining it to you then... I just literally heard the "WOOOOSH" of the idea flying over your head from here...
There's another way to do this as said by rektareloaded the demon god of manaless dredge here in the Philippines lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SBGpinas
I think it's DR the 1st Flayer deal 4 to opponent ( 4 Damage)
DR 2nd flayer targetting the 1st Flayer dealing 4 to the 1st Flayer and 4 to the opponent from the 2nd Flayer. Undying Triggers so deal another 5 to the opponent and another 5 to the 2nd Flayer. (9 Damage)
2nd Flayer undying triggers Deal 10 Damage to the opponent from 1st and 2nd Flayer. (10 Damage)
Whoops - i said the wrong card. Must have been thinking about a "can't attack me card" like Blazing Archon.:cry: Duh!Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroYawgmoth
Yeah I like 3 Grisel too. I did try running four, and whilst I can see the reason for it - a good reason at that - I still want an alternate way to hit my opponent through soft-lock scenario's.
I still have an Angel in the board, but I have been alternating between that and Leviathan a bit...next time I leave the house with Manaless I'll pop both in and see which one gets the job done. The main thing that gets me is the way that Levy helps protect bridges... I think I have to get past that.:really:
Demon god?Quote:
Originally Posted by blindspotxxx
Nice.
How much is a soul worth these days? Any chance I could sell it for a pretty nympho who only speaks dirty, dressed in lederhosen and a set of keys to a private yacht?
Lol. rektareloaded has been in the Top 8 of at least 6 different major events here with Manaless Dredge. He's probably the person in our country who has clocked the most number of hours of playtesting with the deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by slave
So yeah some people have started calling him a Demon God due to his success with the deck hahaha!
I would listen to what he has to say. Some people might not agree with his choices, but you can be assured that there was a lot of thought put into his decisions in card choices.
OMG :eek: demon god? its just pure luck :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by SBGpinas
anyway here's my short tournament report. i joined a local legacy tournament in my area (total of 10 players)
reason for joining is that i need the free "1st round bye" for the upcoming paeng cup V (major legacy event)
Game 1 vs RW Goblins (2-1)
round 1 -> he got a slow start by playing a turn 1 vial. i discarded phantasmagorian at my discard step. he played the dble strike "lackey" dude on his turn, at EOT my GY went crazy. i was able to get couple of bridges, shadows and ichorids on my turn. eventually i got lots of zombies to block his goblins. win
round 2 -> he played a turn 1 lackey . i played my verdant catacomb on my turn. he attack his lackey but i responded by getting dryad arbor via verdant, then blocked his lackey. he played his RIP on the same turn. played my arbor then played rev silence as an answer (timewalk :cry: ) . he was able to play the instigator on his turn. eventually i lose.
round 3 -> he mulled to 6 trying to get a better hand. but luckily he didnt. killed him with my ichorids and zombie army
Game 2 vs Omnitell (2-0)
round 1 -> he kept his hand with 1 land but with 2 cantrips. luckily he never got his 2nd land till his 3rd turn. he played his show and tell + omniscience. i played stinkweed imp? :frown: . but he never got his winning card and was able to beat him on my turn.
round 2 -> i got a kederekt leviathan :laugh: , SW, phantasma, 2 dredgers and 2 narcomoeba :cry: in hand (I KEEP!!! :tongue: ). was able to stip his hand on my turn via cabal therapy. win!
Game 3 vs RDW (2-0)
round 1 -> im down to 4 life and got a resolved griselbro in play. he got no more cards in hand :laugh: . Win!
round 2 -> im down to 7 life, i was able to cabal his fireblast. he only got 1 mountain in play with 2 chainlightning remaining in hand. he played his chainlightning on his turn. beat him with ichorids, shadows and zombies. win
Game 4 vs Goblins (2-0)
round 1 -> i almost lose on this round. he got alot of goblins in play. he played his krenko via lackey. my only way out is to kill the krenko guy with my flayer and set up zombie blockers. i dredge for 2 with dakmor due to i alrdy got 3 ghast in GY. the 2 cards that was dredged was a (2nd) dread return and a bridge. Wow! he is down to 14 life was able to beat him by returning flayer in the field shooting 4 damage, then played the land to return 3 ghast shooting 6 damage then played my 2nd DR returning GG troll. but he's alrdy dead by then once undying triggered. win
round 2 -> he mulled to 4 cards hoping he will draw his LOTV. he keep his 4 cards in hand. sadly he drawed his lotv on his turn. drop phantasmagorian in my GY at end of his turn. 3rd turn kill via griselbro. win!
ended at 1st place at (4-0) standing.
got a free entrance and 1 round bye to the much anticipated paeng cup V (legacy tournament)
thanks for reading!
Congrats DG.:tongue:
Sounds like you've got your sideboarding worked out if you can win that convincingly!
On a whole other note - I'm not one for pimping decks, but I totally understand why those that do, choose to do it.
Played against a Merfolk player a coupel of months back with an almost completely foil deck..... pretty!
So to all you in Manaless land;
...I'm kinda curious whether all the manaless staples can actually be found in foil tbh!
Have you got a pimp deck? Have you got all the foils? Have you got signed or alternate art cards?
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Originally Posted by slave
man this is my long term goal.. to pimp the deck...i think only nether shadows cant be foiled out. so you need to buy the alpha version
Just got my fourth Beta Shadow; deck is completely pimped.Quote:
Originally Posted by rektareloaded
@rektareloaded
decklist ? Bloodghast+Savage ?
happy sunday :smile:
yup! im using my same buildQuote:
Originally Posted by BOSCA
4 LANDS
4 Dakmor Salvage
40 CREATURES
4 Street Wraith
4 Nether Shadow
4 Narcomoeba
4 Ichorid
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
4 Phantasmagorian
4 Bloodghast
2 Flayer of the Hatebound
2 Griselbrand
12 INSTANTS and SORCERIES
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Dread Return
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 OTHER SPELLS
4 Bridge from Below
SIDEBOARD
4 Dryad Arbor
1 Nature's Claim
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Forest
2 Kederekt Leviathan
2 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Reverent Silence
Happy Sunday !
You probably had that 1 pc Kederekt Leviathan in the SB and manage to draw it vs Omnishow. How many young virgins were sacrificed yesterday for that to happen? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rektareloaded
no virgins were sacrificed.. hahaha i just believe in the strength of the deck thats all!
im not like that yu-gi-oh guy who always got a good "top deck" after thinking all of his friends (memory flashback thingy). its like he got a vampiric tutor every turn lol
Edit:
i noticed that they no longer using cage these days. thats good news for us. they normally still use surgicals, tormods and rest in peace (for decks with white access to white mana)
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Originally Posted by rektareloaded
That's the power of friendship! (I think it's also the name of a "My Little Poney" Serie ... not sure :P)
Anway congratz for the result, I was test a version w/o Bloodghast MD, but I miss him too much, and seeing your decklist, I'll go back to that version.
I just have one question, isn't 8 draw effect (street wraith & probe) too much? how have been the probe?
although it can be countered. probe makes the deck more consistent but in a sorcery speed. it lets you convert the draw into dredge and lets you see your opponents hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaintS
it makes your 1st therapy count.
knowing your opponents hand before deciding to do something is a big factor to win a match.
also its not a dead card vs any deck whatever that may be.