Chinese fakes

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Originally Posted by Russian Alara

Yeah Delson threatened MTG Lion:https://storify.com/MTGLion/delson-h...tening-mtglion

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Wait, there are still people who care for MTGLion?

His constant whoring for attention kinda undermines his credibility. I wouldn't even be suprised if that Delson's account is a fake at this point.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

It's the third 'run' of these fakes and they haven't gotten that fixed. I don't think they will.

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Maybe this guy isn't going to fix his stuff.

But this prices exploding everywhere, it's only a matter of time until other people realize that you can make way more money with high-quality fakes.

A single 55-card sheet of the most expensive Legacy/Modern staples is easily within 5k-10k dollar range. It's literally printing money.

100$ for a single sheet is pretty laughable compared to that.

MTGLion is the king of false flags, don't ever give him the satisfaction of a click on youtube or anywhere he can monetize it.

I confess... I did check the Delson twitter though.

https://twitter.com/Delsonhuang1/sta...52870314418176

Really suspicious tweet. If it's real he'll keep tweeting long after the saga passes, but for now it's a somewhat safe assumption this is fake.

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Originally Posted by Bertrand Hustle

MTGLion is the king of false flags, don't ever give him the satisfaction of a click on youtube or anywhere he can monetize it.

I confess... I did check the Delson twitter though.

https://twitter.com/Delsonhuang1/sta...52870314418176

Really suspicious tweet. If it's real he'll keep tweeting long after the saga passes, but for now it's a somewhat safe assumption this is fake.

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Well I tracked two Of Delson associates in Canada personally so I believe MTG Lion . If possible I will post my files here?

Go ahead and post them - Jander

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Originally Posted by Russian Alara

Well I tracked two Of Delson associates in Canada personally so I believe MTG Lion . If possible I will post my files here?

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I would appreciate this..

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Originally Posted by Bertrand Hustle

I would appreciate this..

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Will ask admins first

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I haven't had time to read through this whole thread so if i'm repeating something someone else has addressed then i'm sorry.

From what I have read it seems like everyone believes that the only way to see the layer of blue is by damaging the card. This isn't true. If you look at the card edge on through a jewelers loop you'll be able to see a thin blue line. I know most people don't have one but they can be picked up for about $40 on the lower end, and since fakes are becoming more and more common every year I'd suggest every serious collector get one.

I actually saw some near perfect fake dual lands (beta) and a few pieces of power (unlimited) last week. They passed every single test except the blue layer. The only other difference was a barely noticeable difference in the texture of the card face, which I doubt most people would catch. These were honestly so good that unless the DCI starts giving judges loops they'd be playable.

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Originally Posted by Jerome

I haven't had time to read through this whole thread so if i'm repeating something someone else has addressed then i'm sorry.

From what I have read it seems like everyone believes that the only way to see the layer of blue is by damaging the card. This isn't true. If you look at the card edge on through a jewelers loop you'll be able to see a thin blue line. I know most people don't have one but they can be picked up for about $40 on the lower end, and since fakes are becoming more and more common every year I'd suggest every serious collector get one.

I actually saw some near perfect fake dual lands (beta) and a few pieces of power (unlimited) last week. They passed every single test except the blue layer. The only other difference was a barely noticeable difference in the texture of the card face, which I doubt most people would catch. These were honestly so good that unless the DCI starts giving judges loops they'd be playable.

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Is this line visible even on the played cards that have dirty edges?

I'm not 100% sure on that. I know I can see it on all of mine I've checked but they aren't heavily played/damaged/dirty. Due to the magnification though I believe it still would be visible. I'm currently out of town but when I get back home I'll check some cards that are in rougher shape and get back to you with an answer.

Edit to add: Made it home and looked at a few cards, the line is visible in cards in less than stellar condition. Also, saw earlier today that some sets have a black layer instead of a blue layer in them. Since it kinda confused me to see that I started looking for more info and found a release from wizards that said some sets were blue and some were black but they didn't say which sets had which.

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Originally Posted by Jerome

I haven't had time to read through this whole thread so if i'm repeating something someone else has addressed then i'm sorry.

From what I have read it seems like everyone believes that the only way to see the layer of blue is by damaging the card. This isn't true. If you look at the card edge on through a jewelers loop you'll be able to see a thin blue line. I know most people don't have one but they can be picked up for about $40 on the lower end, and since fakes are becoming more and more common every year I'd suggest every serious collector get one.

I actually saw some near perfect fake dual lands (beta) and a few pieces of power (unlimited) last week. They passed every single test except the blue layer. The only other difference was a barely noticeable difference in the texture of the card face, which I doubt most people would catch. These were honestly so good that unless the DCI starts giving judges loops they'd be playable.

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Pieces of information like this are the kind of things that make me think fakes will eventually have an impact on Legacy, whether it's lowering prices and a bigger format, market panic and higher prices, WotC reconsidering various policies or doubling down (Reserved List, reprints, focus on formats without any non-hologram cards, card inspections :tongue:, aggressive litigation), whatever.

Clearly, printing well-made fake Legacy staples could be like printing large bills, and it seems likely that it'll happen. One of the problems with this theory is that for years, printing fake Vintage staples would be even more lucrative, and hasn't gone on much. I don't know much about the technology, but I'm sure part of it is that it's now easier to have equipment that makes good fakes, while anti-counterfeit measures on old cards are static. I think, though, that there's another reason why fakes could actually inject a significant amount of cards into the Legacy playing pool (not making a statement on if fakes in the pool is good or bad long-term; just talking about a possible future).

With exceptions, high-priced Vintage staples are collectibles and high-priced Legacy staples are noncollectibles. The vast majority of tournament players, Legacy/Vintage/everything else, don't want to play with fake cards. The vast majority of collectors and sellers don't want to have fake cards. So, in essence, to make a substantial impact, people need to get fooled. And thus my point. Once fakes get good enough to fool everyone outside of a sleeve with an eye check, and made en masse, how many collectors and Vintage players are going to use a $40 jeweler's loupe or something like that to look at purchases? I'd guess a lot. But how many Legacy tournament players are just going to give their Tempest Wasteland a close inspection with the naked eye and then sleeve it up? I'd guess most of them.

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Originally Posted by Bed Decks Palyer

Is this line visible even on the played cards that have dirty edges?

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I grabbed the most played card that I happened to have on my desk and the line was barely visible but definitely there. It looked more like a shadow between the two layers than a "blue line"

thecrav, could you have actually been looking at one of the sets with a black layer instead of a blue one? Don't know what set the cards you checked was out of so i'm not sure. I'm not even sure what all sets have blue or black, I just know that those are the two colors I've seen.

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Originally Posted by Russian Alara

Will ask admins first

edit pmed Bardo

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No reply From Bardo but will pm information to all that want it.

Got permission from Jander78:
Delson associates:Louis Solunier and Oliver Bellmore based in Quebec but ip information in Washington state.

https://m.facebook.com/thuglifenegga...18&__tn__=%2As






[PROFILE]

STATUS: Confirmed

NAME: Louis Saulnier
Alias(s)/Known associates: Olivier Tardif Bellemare

USER/FACEBOOK-ID:

Louis Saulnier: https://m.facebook.com/thuglifeneggaprapra?_rdr

Olivier Tardif Bellemare: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001293026838

EMAIL(s)/Paypal:
Lesick.10@hotmail.com
myspaceco@outlook.com
christian.bellemare@cogecocable.ca
Sylver1313@hotmail.com

PROOF/DOCS:
Below pictures show pictures, and scans of counterfeit cards. As well as conversation with Tuffy Maggio and purchasing counterfeit cards.
This is visible to anyone who can see this post.

I will upload as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by Russian Alara

Got permission from Jander78:
Delson associates:Louis Solunier and Oliver Bellmore based in Quebec but ip information in Washington state.

https://m.facebook.com/thuglifenegga...18&__tn__=%2As






[PROFILE]

STATUS: Confirmed

NAME: Louis Saulnier
Alias(s)/Known associates: Olivier Tardif Bellemare

USER/FACEBOOK-ID:

Louis Saulnier: https://m.facebook.com/thuglifeneggaprapra?_rdr

Olivier Tardif Bellemare: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001293026838

EMAIL(s)/Paypal:
Lesick.10@hotmail.com
myspaceco@outlook.com
christian.bellemare@cogecocable.ca
Sylver1313@hotmail.com

PROOF/DOCS:
Below pictures show pictures, and scans of counterfeit cards. As well as conversation with Tuffy Maggio and purchasing counterfeit cards.
This is visible to anyone who can see this post.

I will upload as soon as possible.

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Interesting, are the given IPs known VPNs/Proxies?

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Originally Posted by Bertrand Hustle

Interesting, are the given IPs known VPNs/Proxies?

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High likely

So where's the pics? Just upload them to imgur and post the link.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

So where's the pics? Just upload them to imgur and post the link.

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Will do asap it's hard on mobile

here: http://imgur.com/a/EUAbI

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Originally Posted by Russian Alara

Will do asap it's hard on mobile

here: http://imgur.com/a/EUAbI

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So its the same shitty chinese proxies as before, which is good. They're reasonably easy to spot.

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

So its the same shitty chinese proxies as before, which is good. They're reasonably easy to spot.

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The pictures look solid. I hoe that the cards suck IRL as they did the last time I saw and held them.

can i ask where it will be delivered?