I've been thinking about cornered market against 12-post type deck. Or Wave of Vitriol.
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I've been thinking about cornered market against 12-post type deck. Or Wave of Vitriol.
Ralf, the quad Rhino tech isn't just because it's a 4/5. It drains them for 3 when it enters, and the Junk decks are running a lot more ways to recur them if they do get dealt with or countered. Imagine having a Rhino and Volrath's Stronghold in play; does your opponent attack, kill your Rhino and let you re-cast it and drain them again? Or do they wait, give you time to draw/search Recurring Nightmare, and start looping it with a Thragtusk, or even another Rhino?
Hell, if I was rich and crazy, I'd probably try running a Moat.
Yeah, based on previous tournaments I thought I would be fine (the one I got 23rd in was with Punishing Fire Maverick: 4 RUG Delvers, 2 Affinities, 1 Dredge, 1 Storm, 1 Shardless BUG. But that was 2014 and this is now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I think a lack of sufficient reps with the deck also hurt me, especially with Mulligan decisions. I am going to keep working on it because I think an experienced pilot would have had a much different experience.
As others smarter than me have said on the thread, realistically the only way to kill Siege Rhino in the format is StP, and that's a huge life swing. It actually makes me yearn for Sylvan Library, despite the bad synergy with Deed.
The fact that this deck can get up to 7-8 mana quite easily makes me wish there were more broken things to be done with said mana in the GWB Nic Fit shell. But then we get into the Danger of Cool Things, where Birthing Pod/Karn/Primeval Titan/etc. don't do enough on their own, or as opening draws.
I suppose Scavenging Ooze, Recurring Nightmare and friends are good uses of excess mana, so I could be completely wrong. Maybe playing multiple copies of each card would be fun, at the cost of consistency or bad opening draws.
Anyway, I'll keep jamming the list and then branch out to the Punishing Fire / Scapeshift / Pod versions over time. After reading the awesome primer, I think each is strong in its own right.
After thinking about it some more, I'll move 1 Toxic Deluge to the main and move the Taiga to the board. I think 3 Deed 1 Deluge main is fine for the list, Deluge is not even dead against decks like Sneak Show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Btw Arianrhod, many thanks for your excellent primer and putting all the information together. Your intro to Cabal Therapy helped me a lot in my Delver and Reanimator matches yesterday.
I don't think he's new (can tell you his name offline), but he read the card during the match and then neglected to use the ability. He's usually on Maverick or RUG Delver, and I still feel like the matchup is super favorable for me. Toxic Deluge 6-for-1, eternal witness, Toxic Deluge again just screams value.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoblinZ
Very nice cards, sir!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
I've sleeved up my variation of the deck. It's similar to the most recent quad rhino, but three instead of four. 3 sylvans instead of top to make use of the life gain. Beginning to think im on to something. I'll post a list once I get a local game night in. I'm located in Abbotsford bc. Any suggestions where to go?
Do you not run deeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ylekaikyle
I do. But the card draw is nuts and I can either draw into another or I wait to play it if deed is in play already. :/ this doesn't sound too good in writing.
Hit up sdematt, he's "near" (well, kinda) your part of the woods. You can also ask him to add you to the Lower Mainland Facebook group.Quote:
Originally Posted by ylekaikyle
Well I can't seem to send messages via tapatalk :/ so matt is there a facebook group you are part of for local legacy?
Look up "Lower Mainland Legacy" on FAcebook and I'll add you.
-MAtt
You must play at Brandon's store, House of Cards. We usually play at Magic Stronghold in Burnaby.
If there's any questions, just keep posting them.
To the people running Jund, are you more set on Fires or non-Fires list? Explanation/how you feel about it in the metagame? Etc.
-Matt
Thanks man. Finally able to get into some more games.
I've played fires in jund and it seems too good to take out.
I do not fully understand the question. Where are you going with this? Are you asking if PFire list or better or worse then ScapeWish lists? Or are you thinking about a PFire list with no PFire? Cause i have never seen the last.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
I will not tell what PFire does since you already know that, but there are so many matchups where sticking a Grove and PFire will win you the game. Plus it's interaction with Liliana makes it useful against combo and control.
I'm asking for those running straight Jund with no Fires, why are you not running Fires? :P
-Matt
Hello all!
I have been thinking about putting Nic Fit together for some time now. I am a few cards short of both the Jund (Pfire) and Junk lists. I was originally going to go with the Jund list, but after reading through this thread, it seems that people have been having more success with the Junk list as of late.
I know Nic Fit is very customizable and there isn't really a stock list, but is there something close to stock that I should run first to get a feel for this deck? Also, am I right in thinking the Junk lists have seen more success than the Punishing Jund lists?
Thank in advance!
Well i think that JUNK provide some nice tools (Sigarda and Gaddock Teeg) and has some serious raw power with Siege Rhino. But pesonally i feel it is more clunky list then PFire lists. I really like the JUND over JUNK due to its more controllish nature. Jund is more flexible and has a higher amount of adaptability. Currently i hold the highest winrate with Jund more then any deck. The deck is difficult to play well and small decissions can and will cost you games. I remember when i played the list first time in 2012 i went like 0-4-1 in a tournament. As i learned to understand the format more by playing with other decks and against other decks i also started to improve my games with PFire NicFit. Now i spend more time playing the list. Currently i am pimping it and so i sold some of the cards. When i complete it again i can start focussing on tuning it for GP Lille. Because of its adaptability it is great against nearly any deck and i believe that strong and focussed play make this deck as one of the most powerful decks in the format. Offcourse it has some flaws, but adapt, improvise and overcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by cab0747
Edit: not saying JUNK is less of a deck, i see the biggest difference in that Junk is more straightforward and that Jund can manoeuvre more losing strength for more agility.
Hey!Quote:
Originally Posted by cab0747
as Bobmans mentioned, the PFire Nic Fit is probably the most "controlish" version of the archetype. I think that neither Jund nor Junk are really better right now, it depends a lot on which playstyle you prefer. I never played the Junk version so far, but I feel like it's more the "midrange" Nic Fit variant, where the powerlevel of your creatures is a little higher(Siege Rhino).
What? This is blasphemy!Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Edit: although i must admit that i am curious to with what it is replaced.
Caleb Durwald has a pretty solid list in B/G. Here is the write up: http://www.channelfireball.com/artic...gur-in-legacy/ and here is a video of him running the deck in MTGO http://www.channelfireball.com/video...egacy-nic-fit/Quote:
Originally Posted by cab0747
That may help.