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Heart of the Swarm Vol.3 - Day of the Tentacle
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Heart of the Swarm Vol.3 - Day of the Tentacle
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Ok, I just wanted to clear that up. You made it sound like you just BW into Past in Flames and won with ease. I didn't want people to be misinformed. That line of play makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I don't know how well LED works with Past in Flames, but there you have it...
I mean with all of your spells and a PiF in the yard your yard is basically your hand and LED is actually a black lotus. So yeah.
It's about the only way to win if you are going to a long game vs discard. Black Lotus is tech.
I feel like a 15 years old about to watch a Twilight movie!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Arhump......
Well.
Yes. Im excited.
lol nice work.. taking down the event and getting the girl's number. Luck is an attitude ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
"Luck" is the result of hard work in both cases. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxDaMax
I played TES at SCG seattle going 4-5.
Quick synopsis:
Round 1 - The Rock (V.S. sdematt himself)
Lost the roll. Lost in 3. Matt’s disruption: Cabal therapy, Deed, Thalia, Hymn.
0-1
Round 2 - Merfolk
Lost the roll. Won in 2. Disruption: Pierce, Daze, FOW.
1-1
Round 3 - Esper Stoneblade
Lost the roll. Lost in 3. Distruption: FOW, Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Spell Pierce.
1-2
Round 4 - B/W Deadguy
Lost the roll. Won in 2. Disruption: Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Hymn, Sculler, Thalia.
2-2
Round 5 - Reanimator
Lost the roll. Lost in 2. Disruption: Thoughtseize, Daze, FOW, and Turn2 Grissels.
2-3
Round 6 - RUG Delver
Won the Roll. Won in 2. Disruption: Force, Daze, Pierce, Snare, Stifle.
3-3
Round 7 - U/R Delver
Lost the Roll. Lost in 3. Disruption: Force, Daze, Pierce.Harsh punted game three sacking my 18th goblin to cabal therapy for no reason while hes at exactly 18. Fuck meeeeee.
3-4
Round 8 - Jund
Lost the roll. Lost in 2. Disruption: Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Hymn, Golgari Charm.
3-5
Round 9 - Jund
Won the roll. Won in 2. Disruption: Thoughtseize, Inquisition, Hymn, Golgari Charm.
4-5
I deffinitly punted in round 7, and messed up a brainstorm in round 8.
I only mulled to 5 a couple times, so maybe i could have mulled a bit harder in the tougher matches on the play.
I doubt half of those mulls to 5 were necessary. If you fear passing your turn after being on the play use Silence, Probe and Brainstorm for ProtectionQuote:
Originally Posted by BrettF
Edit:
@folks: Can we stop mulligan discussions without notes about the starting grip? It's impossible
Hi, I have a question about an opening hand...
Last night in a tournament of 20 people I finish 3-1, losing the last 2-1 against UBg cascade.
We are 1-1 and my hand is:
Wish
Rite of Flame
Rite of Flame
City of brass
LED
LED
Brainstorm
I'll go first, he takes a mulligan to 6, I thought that without lands in play was reasonable do 12 goblins, and risking FOW, so I did...and so I died by double FOW ...
Is this the right way?or I must wait for cast brainstorm?
thanks
Game one against BUG cascade you keep that and make a bunch of dudes, they rarely have FoW maindeck. Game three on the other hand...I'd keep that hand and sit on the brainstorm. What did he bring in against you? How did you side against him? I think it was too greedy to walk into a FoW, especially if he kept his seven or snap kept another hand.
In face of possible Discard, Wasteland, Taxing Counters and FoW depending on his build, pushing All-In here against a mulligan is reasonable. If you have Knowledge about his build gained in G1/G2 aka a lack of Discard or Wastelands you can opt to sculpt your hand first.Quote:
Originally Posted by festeringGAB
It's outright possible that your opponent mulliganed into a Discard Spell or taxing counter and just accepts the possible T1 Kill before going to 5 cards. Mulligan into T1 discard on the play or FoW on the draw is a loosing play vs TES in many cases
Post side I have only +1 Cabal Therapy -1 Infernal tutorQuote:
Originally Posted by jandax
I think that, if he side in pernicious dead can destroy my goblin on turn 3, and I kill he on turn 2..and in the other match I see wasteland duress hymn thoughtseize, I was scare about discard on turn one.
however..the other 3 cards on the top are: fetch fetch cabal therapy and in his hand there are only 2 tarmo 2 force 2 land, if I cast brainstorm probably I win with cabal on FOW..
thanks for your advice
:)
A good question to ask yourself in those situations is: what would the impact be if he only had a single hate card the first turn (in this case this would be a one mana discard spell, a wastland or a FOW + blue card).Quote:
Originally Posted by festeringGAB
A single discard spell wouldt have been so bad because you could still BS your wish on top and had enough mana to make somthing work with only the cards in your hand.
A wasteland would destroy your only mana source if your BS would wiff.
Force wouldn't have impact on his first turn and you would have time to brainstorm for protection.
So in retrospect I would say waiting for a turn wouldn't have been the worse thing.
The problem is more complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
Passing the turn equals that you play out the LED's to prevent shit like Therapy for the no.1 Target LED. If you pass the Turn you can't get a reasonable stcormcount for EtW therefore and/or fall victim to natural Deed unlike casting it first turn, which would require him having mana acceleration (DRS) to be in time. So passing the turn puts you into Diminishing Returns or IGG (in case you find Wish/Tutor with BS). Would you like to negate the mulligan of a blue opponent with D.Returns here? I would not
I see your point although I would like to point out that BUG will rarely play Cabal Therapy because their creatures are way to valuable. After side most builds bring in extra counters. Therefor playing out your LED's turn one seems unnecessary in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Diminishing returns and IGG will indeed not be very optimal against a blue opponent. However, in case you could find another tutor PiF is another option (LED,LED,RoF,RoF, Wish > PiF > RoF, RoF, tutor, Tendrils). But I do agree that the problem is complex indeed (there are too many variables involved in brainstorming to get a clear cut answer) and going for it turn one is certainly not wrong.
It's hard for me atm to frame the BUG.dec in question. I don't know how this special subtype is "used to build", either relying on Discard, Counters or Tempo-cards. Therefore my analysis is incomplete.
Variables with Brainstorm involved are in any case a lot more than going straight for the kill, which was the most important point took into consideration
I thought BUG lists and their disruption were:
"Shardless" main: 4 FoW, 4-7 discard spells, side: Pierce, Flusterstorm (3-4 in total)
"BUG Jace Control: main: 4 FoW, 2-3 Pierce, 1-2 Counterspell, side: 3-4 discard, 2-3 Pierce/Flusterstorm
"Team America" main: 4 FoW, 4 Daze, 2-3 Pierce, 0-2 Snare, 4 discard (either targeted or Hymn), side: 2-3 Pierce/Flusterstorm
All variants can have Deeds or Pulses side (Jace Control plays 4 Deeds main), so Empty is not a fail proof option.
Right now no-one plays Stifle in BUG (except for myself obviously :laugh: I still have a BUG Tempo list I consider for tournaments).
BUG has no answers to turn 1 10+ tokens except for FoW. I always try to win turn 1 with that hand.
That is wrong. DRS + Deed or pulse gets the job done. Granted this will need 1 fetch, 1 shaman and 1 pulse/deed in 6 cards + 2 draws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bahamuth
That's what I said before. I'd gamble for that any Day of the week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
the BUG list is like this: http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...7&iddeck=77694Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
so you think that my choice of SB is right or not? (+1 Cabal Therapy -1 Infernal tutor)
there are other option?
you side out always ETW?
Against that list, I wouldn't bother boarding. It's much like the Jund-matchup + 4 Fow. Siding out cards that enable you to win before Hymn hits you is a Bad ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by festeringGAB
Edit: i would not board out EtW just because a deck has 3 cards in his 75 that can save his ass from the goblins but are complete dead vs. 73 cards of your deck
I got golgari charmed a couple times at scgseattle.
Against a list like that playing the stock 8 cards disruption is fine. So I woudn't board aswell.
Ofcourse (apart from some rare cases) in a tournament setting you won't know what your opponent will bring in. In that case I think your boarding plan was fine.
I don't side out EtW aswell because it's still a very nice wincon against blue decks (the 4 cards he can bring in against it can still be discarded if you plan on going EtW)
There's also the Silence walk you can play to stop them from casting Deed/Pulse. I would also keep Empty in.
I actually almost never side it out anyway. I like it too much. :smile: Simply dumping 8 dudes on turn 1 and then cantripping into a new way to go off while the opponent tries to deal with your team is a very fine strategy.
You have to ask yourself: Do I want to get into a discard-carnage with a deck running Thoughtseize, Hymn and Liliana of the Veil or bring business to the table/stack asap?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia_Bot
I laugh every time at Jund players with their Hymns and Lilly's in their hand while I smash with tokens
Edit 4 example off HotS Vol.2:
Quote:
Game 2 vs Jund
I decide to keep a hand which does not auto-fold to Thoughtseize which looks like this
Gemstone Mine
Silence
Burning Wish
Dark Ritual
EtW
Volcanic Island
Brainstorm
He opens with Verdant Catacomb into Bayou into DRS. I draw Infernal Tutor for the turn, play Gemstone and Silence-walk him in case of Hymn. He drops a forest and passes his turn. I draw Probe and decide to give it a try and indeed find 2 Hymn and another DRS in company with Sylvan Library + Swamp in his hand. I get a Mox and Brainstorm off the played Volcanic into Probe, Brainstorm and Petal. I put back the Wish and the Infernal, play Petal, Probe (draw Infernal), Mox (imprint Infernal), Brainstorm off Gemstone Mine into another Mine, Wish and Ad Nauseam and drop 16 Goblins into play. He drops Library then eats 15 damage with his DRS blocking a Goblin, I drop Gemstone after drawing the Wish. Wish for Therapy, cast Therapy for DRS, hit one and pass. He looks at the top 3 with his Library and offers the handshake.
Isn't that basically what this deck does: laugh at Jund players? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Ask Bryant to add "Laughing" as a Sideboard strategy in the OP for JundQuote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Yeah Jund is weird and I usually just dont board lol.
I don't see myself boarding anything against JUND TBH.
Learned your lesson you have, young padawan ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
I usually do board against Jund. Some extra discard and two Decays for the Silences.
I prefer discarding their Hymns to Silence-walking.
Decays kill Lily, which can be a great help sometimes.
Results for this boarding plan: wins only. If we don't count my rediculous play errors, that is. :tongue:
You boarding the decay implies that you fear a T2 Liliana. There's better way to deal with that IMO. Unless they have the hand "that will make all the other ashamed" and a perfect acceleration, you should ALWAYS be in good position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
And anyway, by T2, you should be in position do do :
1-A huge shift in board state in your advantage(What will liliana do with 10/12 Goblins on the table?)
2-Win the game; (Ad Nauseam to Tendril/Alt. Wincon)
3-Already have dealt with Liliana (Grapeshot, storm trigger, all target liliana!)
I've been testing the deck for approx. 2 weeks now. I played Reanimator, Merfolks, Combo Elves, Stoneblade, BUG Aggro & Control and other deck. None of those deck ever gave me a consistent draw like T.E.S.
Bryant Cook,
Sir,
Thank you.
You changed the face of my game!
Remember to hit a PW with a burn spell such as a Lightning Bolt or even Grapeshots, you target the player, then redirect the damage to the PW. For example, storm is at 7 and liliana is at 6, you grapeshot the opponent, then redirect six of the damage (each individual copy) to Liliana, then deal the last point to their face. This is relevant if they have a Leyline of Sanctity out. You will not be able to hurt the walker through burn spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayradis
Today I played at local tournament. One match was vs. esper stoneblade. Game 3 I was on play and hand was 3 LED, 2 Infernal Tutor, 1 Dark Ritual, 1 Silence. I kept it is it right choice? Well at the end it was. I played leds first 2 turns because did't draw any lands. At some point of game opponent has sf mystic and batterskull on battlefield he got me down to 2 life. EOT brainstorm with city of brass for 1 life :tongue: Then I started playing, opponent has 25 life and time came at my turn. Opponent had hydroblast in his hand that I saw earlier. I played silence which resolved. Tutored some burning wishes and went for pif. Then doing some mana with all I had in my gy. Storm count was not enough even after I tutored 4th led and all. Then bw into diminishing returns with R and U on pool. Draw 2 leds, petal and 2 ponders and some irrelevant cards. First ponder gave nothing and for second ponder I cracked leds and found bw into tendrills 19 storm :cool:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Was pun intended if that wasn't clear ;)
http://www.joujouvilleroy.com/static...ness-panda.jpg
to follow up on your story :)
Anyways, good job. Was a good read.
Awesome! Did not know that ad campaign :D
I played TES at SCG Seattle as well to a disappointing 1-3 drop.
Round 1 vs Sneak and Show (Thea Steele)
Game 1: She mulls to 6 and I win off Empty for 12 Goblins.
Game 2: I get Griselbranded.
Game 3: She mulls to 6 and I go to 5. At one point she hardcasts Sneak Attack (using a Lotus Petal to do so) but has no mana to activate. On my turn I Chain it back to her hand (waiting til my turn to avoid Daze). A couple turns later I Empty for some Goblins. She recasts Sneak next turn and I swing with my Goblins. The following turn she has the mana to put both Griselbrand and Emrakul into play.
0-1
Round 2 vs Bant Blade
Game 1: I Tendrils him for 20 thanks to his Force on my Silence.
Game 2: An early Empty gets him to scoop.
1-1
Round 3 vs RiP/Helm
Game 1: After a couple turns I resolve a Silence and proceed to Grapeshot him for 20.
Game 2: He gets out Ethersworn Cannonist which I end up Decaying. He later gets a Counterbalance out. I cast Lotus Petal which gets the blind flip counter. I proceed to play another Petal and 2 LEDs before casting Empty. He has 2 cards in hand and 4 lands. He Tutors at eot for RiP. I'm confused until he plays the Helm that was in his hand the next turn. I don't draw the Duress on my turn. :(
Game 3: Long story short: I stupidly cast Empty for a bunch of Goblins knowing he has a Detention Sphere in hand. Derp.
1-2
Round 4 vs ANT
Game 1: I Probe him on the play and laugh when I see his hand. He asks if I'm playing Storm as well and I say yes. He takes off his hat and starts laughing and accidentally knocks his deck off the table. I eventually kill him with Tendrils.
Game 2: He gets there with Tendrils.
Game 3: Turn 1 Probe on the play. I follow that up with Ad Nauseum. I proceed to flip the worst Ad Nauseum I've ever cast with the deck. I think I flipped just about every 1cc non-ritual and only 2 Lotus Petals and 1 Mox for mana. All I needed was 1 of the 3 LEDs left in my deck. During the Ad Nauseum I kept going til I hit 1 even when I was at <5 life. I didn't like continuing at 2 life, but I thought the odds of drawing mana would be in my favor. I ended up Duressing him and Silencewalking him the next 2 turns just trying to survive. It worked but he eventually drew the Tendrils for the win.
1-3
After that terrible Ad Nauseum I just didn't feel like playing the deck anymore (that day).
Im glad that I am not the only person who flips his worst Ad Nauseams at SCG opens.