By extension there would be Sylvan Library, I reckon?
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By extension there would be Sylvan Library, I reckon?
Different CC, different choices. We have a lot of possibilities on CC2: i've tested both Library and Mirri and now Scroll Rack, even Painful Truths. Mirri is good but dies every time you sac Deed, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Another Mirri fan here. If I'm popping my Deed, I'm doing it for a very good reason. Either to get of rid of something bad on their side or to get rid of my Rector. So, by T4 or T5, losing Mirri is simply collateral damage that's OK by me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memories of the Time
I think that Entourage of Trest would do a better job of making you the Monarch and helping you hold the crown, especially in an equipment build.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Regisaur Alpha
3RG
Creature - Dinosaur, Rare
Other Dinosaurs you control have haste.
When Regisaur Alpha enters the battlefield, create a 3/3 green Dinosaur creature token with trample.
Even better than we'd hoped -- it's a 4/4 itself, and the token it makes has trample. This thing is going to be good for sure.
I definitely like that as an alternative to Nissa. I think Nissa is still stronger, but being able to GSZ is worth a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Edit: Thoughts on using Crop Rotation to fuel Throne of the High City as a Monarch enabler?
If I was gonna use Throne of the High City as a draw engine, I'd rather do it with Ramunap Excavator than with Rotation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
Excavator can't tutor though.
Knight of the Reliquary does though. It's not like you need Throne early game, it costs 5 mana to activate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
You can combine the three (or four+ if you plan to run Crop Rotation) to turn it into a nice little package.
Seems slow as hell though.
I think the Excavator / KOTR / Tireless Tracker / Titania / Azusa built has potential to go somewhere interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
In that build you have space for some number of utility lands. In the version I was testing I had 2 Ghost Quarter, 1 Tower, 1 Karakas, 1 Canopy - but I could potentially see Throne making it in. I suspect Horizon Canopy might be just straight up better though.
Might be. Migth also be a lot of durdling without actually doing much, and w/ a bunch of rather fragile creatures too.
I mean, it's not like Tracker, Titania and KOTR aren't solid beatdown creatures in their own right anyway, and Excavator + GQ is a reasonable backup game ender against some decks. It's basically just Azusa that's underwhelming without support, and she could probably be cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Dammit, I agree with you :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
I dunno, you haven't lived until you GSZ for Asuza and then triple GQ your opponent :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
I'm trying to avoid white though. If you're using white you might as well use Palace Jailer for the Monarch ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Well, Jailer is harder to tutor for, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
It does a better job of preserving Monarch status though. Knight has to tap, removing a defender, then you have to spend your mana, so you're down the ability to make another defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Thrones advantage is that it doesn't involve putting a bad creature onto the battlefield. Palace Jailer takes away one creature and blocks another. The other one I mentioned, Entourage of Trest blocks two the turn it comes down off a GSZ, and likely does enough damage to kill something too.
Vona, Magaan's Murderer (?) 3WB
Legendary Vampire Knight
Vigilance, lifelink
T, pay 7 life: destroy nonland permanent. Activate on your turn.
Potentially relevant. Probably not, but at least worth bringing to the thread's attention. Anything that repeatedly blows up Jaces or other problematic permanents is noteworthy enough to keep a half an eye on.
Ranging Raptors 2G seems legit too. 2/3 which allows you to do STE effect each time it took damages (pyroclasme for exemple).
And Arguel's blood fast is a legendary enchant for 1B which allows you to draw a card for 1B+2 lifes. When you have 5 or less life, it becomes a legendary land which give black mana or diamond valley effect (sac a creature to gain life equal to it's thoughness)
My problem with Ranging Raptors is that we really need our extra ramp to be at the 2-spot, and we really need it to be on-demand. Steve is still the only good enough card for this, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulysse95
I'm keeping an eye out for enrage stuff that could work with Fiery Confluence. Even against a 1/1, I believe it would be three separate damage triggers. Confluence otherwise is pretty versatile and could work in an aggressive jund build. Generally, enrage sort of is a nonbo with our sacrifice engine - typically can't deal damage to a critter + sac to Therapy/Tower for instance.
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Carnage Tyrant
Regisaur Alpha
Ranging Raptor
My inner 6 year old wants Dino Fit to be a thing so much :laugh:
I would argue that Nissa, Vastwood Seer is good enough in the 3 slot (especially with the PW rule change), but in general I agree with you. Steve just barely makes the cut in my opinion. I think you generally need a pretty good reason to be using 2 CC ramp over more Deathrite Shamans, at least until you max out on DRS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I'm seeing enrage as just another form of evasion, or perhaps an incentive for the opponent to not attack. I don't expect that it will be all that great for us, but the right card could come along.Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
Sure, but I don't view Nissa as ramp so much as card advantage. /shrug. Semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
I don't view DRS as ramp because it's fragile and unreliable. Sometimes they have one active first. Sometimes there isn't a fetch to eat. It happens. I would much rather play a card that pulls a land out of my deck as a trigger or ability that I have some amount of control over. You don't have much control over Vet, but it's way too powerful not to play -- so for a 'backup' to Vet, I would def like something that, like Steve, I 100% know I'm getting the land from (barring counters/stifles/etc).
DRS is a fantastic source of ramp. Steve changes everything because he's 2 mana. He changes your curve from 1-3-4 to 1-2-4. That's a huge difference because in the first 3 turns you go from 8 mana to spend to 7 mana to spend, and you go from 1 mana spent on ramp to 2. That's the difference between having 5 and 7 mana to advance your board over the first 3 turns. That's a 40% difference in resources. On top of that, when you have excess mana, DRS can convert it into other resources. STE offers no resource conversion, and resource conversion is a huge deal for any viable ramp card.
Has someone actually tried running Nissa, Steward of Elements in a BUG shell?? I know there has been some speculation, but with the changes in PW rules now we will be able to run her alongside Nissa, Vital Force which is pretty huge to this deck.
You can run Desert!Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
Alrighty, here goes.
Ranging Raptors: Too conditional, too slow for the ramp slot. We don't play Wood Elves either, now do we? And that card will get you a land for sure.
Arguel's Blood Fast: Pay 1 mana more and you get Phyrexian Arena, which frees up your mana (allowing you to actually play the cards you draw) and costs less life. And then there's Tireless Tracker, which is GSZ-able, able to steal games solo, soaks up just as much mana but does not cost you life.
Enrage is a cool mechanic and black/red offer a lot of tools to activate it. Plague Spitter, Crypt Rats, Pestilence effects, Pyroclasm and whatnot. You would have to warp the deck around it a little bit, but it might be feasible to add a couple one-of Enrage dinos as green-sun targets, along with, for example, a trio of Plague Spitters which are not awful on their own.
Might all be Christmas land though. We have wiggle room to play bigger cards with Nic Fit so it's worth trying, but could
be too much trouble for too little value.
None of the Enrage dinosaurs have triggers that are interesting enough to be useful as of yet. The best Enrage enabler we have available is probably Walking Ballista, which implies either Recruiter or Ranger of Eos, so we're probably in Abzan colours. If there is a pushed green or green/white dinosaur with a solid Enrage trigger then it would potentially be worth looking at, but until that happens I'd be more interested in Regisaur and Carnage Tyrant as straight up beaters as far as stuff from the new set goes.
Not yet. I think she's a key to making BUG work, but figuring all the numbers out is hard. At issue, is the minus ability consistently hitting, and the fact that adding lots of non lands/creatures waters that ability down. It makes it hard to get things right in a deck that plays Therapy and GSZ, and presumably Force of Will if you're going out of your way for blue cards. I think flip walkers are the key to making it work and that it would be more of a superfriends deck. I'm not entirely convinced that Nic Fit is the proper shell... GSZ would be extremely weak, and the flip walkers don't play well with our normal creature base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lueseto
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Annnnnd Vraska is trash. Why do I ever hope for anything good in GB from WotC -_-
Vraska costs 6, but she's the best 6CMC walker in nonwhite colours. Being two Vindicates is nice. On a clear board she ticks up twice and then ults for lethal unless they have 4+ blockers. 8 loyalty is a lot on the turn she comes down.
6 is however a lot of mana. If I was gonna put a non zenithable six drop in my deck this would probably be it, but whether it's worth playing or not I don't know. Wouldn't run her in white, but elsewhere she's worth consideration at least.
She doesn't kill walkers, which is huge. It's amusing that her -3 hits Deed card types, nice call back -- but it's unfortunate that they didn't push her just a bit more and make it -X: deed for X.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
I also don't know that I agree for red. Chandra, Flamecaller is much more powerful at 6 mana, imo.
I agree that she's not horrible, but I think the competition is with Grave Titan. I would rather have Grave Titan than this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
Chandra is also a third color, which is a bigger deal than most people think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Being able to kill angler and survive is nice. Chandra has the same downside as Nissa - if your opponent kills your walker (Pulse, Council's Judgment, etc) you come out of it with no board position, where Vraska's tokens stick around. 8 loyalty is also a lot - a TNN will have real trouble killing her and can't race her unless you're already low on life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Not killing walkers is a bit awkward, but her tokens are hard to block and she probably wins the fight against any other walker so it's not the end of the world. Menace is sweet.
Even 3 loyalty after killing something is a lot.