[Deck] Imperial Painter

thx to you all :)

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Originally Posted by DrewliusMaximus

Have you tested a Spellskite in there? I found him to be headache for many decks, especially with Welder.

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yeah i do like spellskite and i realy wanted space for it in the list but i couldnt finde the space in the 75 cards... il also wanted the last magus in the bord but again i couldnt finde the space :/

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Originally Posted by DrewliusMaximus

I really like the Thorns. Like you said, easier to get out turn 1 then Trini, and seems more useful against High Tide and Enchantress maybe?

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well i didnt fear high tide with all the blast main :) so the thorns was against ant decks :)

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

Well, and he had to mull to 4 in g2 :(

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yeah it was pretty sad :(
the Ant player was pretty lucky game one.. he topped the only swamp in his deck and the infernal tutor when he was at 2 hp... -_-'


i would say i had a realy good chance to make an even better results if i could dodge the combo decks in top 8 (ant / hivemind)

Congratz again! Is Hive Mind really that bad of a MU? Since you have the blasts for his combopieces, also when he Show and Tells you always got the chance the drop your 2nd combo piece into play.

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

Congratz again! Is Hive Mind really that bad of a MU? Since you have the blasts for his combopieces, also when he Show and Tells you always got the chance the drop your 2nd combo piece into play.

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Emrakul is pain in the ass in the Hive Mind matchup.

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Originally Posted by Vandalize

This deck's only problem is the same that hits Lands.dec: The awsomely huge priced cards.

I mean, buying a The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and a set of Imperial Recruiters isn't the most cheap thing in the world.

That's why these decks represent a few percentage of the field. Still, they're pretty much powerful :)

@GP Amsterdam: Nice results for Imperial Painter, too bad ANT is too fast :(

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If I look at the decks being played at the GP I don't think money is the problem.
If I look at my own situation it was just the rarity, I have all my cards in English because I like to be able to read them.
It took me 2,5 years to trade 4 English Imperial Recruiters, and I had all the trading staples available, they were just hard to find.

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Originally Posted by Vandalize

This deck's only problem is the same that hits Lands.dec: The awsomely huge priced cards.

I mean, buying a The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and a set of Imperial Recruiters isn't the most cheap thing in the world.

That's why these decks represent a few percentage of the field. Still, they're pretty much powerful :)

@GP Amsterdam: Nice results for Imperial Painter, too bad ANT is too fast :(

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The problem with Lands is not Tabernacle, the deck is super-hard (and super-fun) to play and is unplayable while everyone plays Surgical extraction and Clique... you just need one tabernacle which costs about 3 duals, which you play 3-5 in the deck, so altogether it costs like Threshold and the card is really powerful and won't drop in value and is easy to buy..

on the other hand Imperial recruiter cost 3/4 of tabernacle, is playable in one good and one bad deck, its powerlevel equals to trinket mage and could be reprinted... and you need 4 of them.. at least it makes Imperial Painter appearance unique and unexpected

I disagree with you.
If a new player buys a set of Underground Seas and Polluted Delta, he can play them in many decks.

If he buys a set of Tarmogoyf, Jace, or other expensive cards, he can play them in many others. And if he want to sell them, you can try in your local shop or your local players..

But if he buys a playset of Imperial Recruiter, he only can use it in 2 competitive decks: Imperial Painters and Imperial Aluren. And it's not easy to sell them. It doesn't see a good inversion, because with all this money you can buy many other cards.

well we see it same way, I had tabernacle and do not have/do not plan to have recruiters

First,congrats on the awesome finish!! It was indeed an epic g3.
I play IP myself,list looks very similar except i play with 4 tops md and no revoker,but I can see him being good naming LED to have more ways to fight combo g1 besided moon effects etc..
The list u played seemed rock solid,dont think there's that much room for improvement MD. And u made a good call going with 4 moons:) as it teared the meta apart. Grtz

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Originally Posted by Gocho

But if he buys a playset of Imperial Recruiter, he only can use it in 2 competitive decks: Imperial Painters and Imperial Aluren. And it's not easy to sell them. It doesn't see a good inversion, because with all this money you can buy many other cards.

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But you only need to have one competitive deck in order to play legacy. Besides, Imperial Painter is way cooler than duals, goyf, and jace, which everyone else uses.

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Originally Posted by Gocho

I disagree with you.
If a new player buys a set of Underground Seas and Polluted Delta, he can play them in many decks.

If he buys a set of Tarmogoyf, Jace, or other expensive cards, he can play them in many others. And if he want to sell them, you can try in your local shop or your local players..

But if he buys a playset of Imperial Recruiter, he only can use it in 2 competitive decks: Imperial Painters and Imperial Aluren. And it's not easy to sell them. It doesn't see a good inversion, because with all this money you can buy many other cards.

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I strongly disagree with this statement both as a player and collector. Imperial Recruiter is a money and chase card to for many collectors and players alike. Due to the fact that Portal sets were limited edition sets to being with. Having access to those cards as a player opens up many options and I feel you are thinking too close minded in this manner. Gofys and Jaces are easy to find, same with FoW and Wastelands. but recruiters, if someone is selling them, someone is buying them probably before they even hit store displays. I've worked in enough shops to know chase portal cards are chase for a reason.

Hey people its been a while. And the top 8 in the GP has this thread a bumpin.

Just got home from Jupiter games NELC series. The last NELC I played Mud and said with the huge concentration of blue decks I was playing Painter at the next event. Then Kim Grymer top 8'ed the GP and I was more excited about playing the deck again. I top 4'ed the event losing to Eli Kassis in the top 4 beside being a great player he had a sideboard of Emrakul, Null Rods, Disenchant, and Surgical Extractions. Definite cross hate that hits the deck pretty hard. I'll highlight the day and try to recap tomorrow.

Still Not Cutting Figure,
Joe

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Originally Posted by Sloshthedark

on the other hand Imperial recruiter cost 3/4 of tabernacle, is playable in one good and one bad deck [...]

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Aluren runs Brainstorms therefore I guess Imperial Painter is the bad deck. Am I right ?

Nice run Joe :)

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Originally Posted by Vesper Ghoul

Still Not Cutting Figure

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I think Figure is horrible imo.. when i started playing imperial painter, i testet it for a tournament and halv the time i couldnt make it bigger then 2/2 becus i didnt had any blood moons down or to few mountains.. so if i was you then i would cut it ;)

btw can you post your list? :D


-Kim

Creatures
1 Goblin Welder (single-handedly won games)
4 Imperial Recruiter
1 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage (best card all day hard to believe it wasn't in my 60 for a while)
3 Magus of the Moon (good but not as good as it was before dismember)
4 Painter's Servant
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Figure of Destiny (went to 8/8 for wins card it was still good in non blue match ups)

Spells
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Pyroblast
3 Red Elemental Blast

Enchantments
4 Blood Moon

Artifacts
3 Chrome Mox
4 Grindstone
3 Sensei's Divining Top (I could see this being a two of I almost always cut 1-2 for side board)

Lands
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
3 Great Furnace
5 Mountain
2 Scalding Tarn (faking blue was good opening up to stifle was bad)

Sideboard (15 cards)
1 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm (better than I want to admit)
3 Trinisphere (never came in)
2 Tormod's Crypt (never came in)
1 Umezawa's Jitte (Still good)
1 Viashino Heretic (Yep too slow, bad all day been in board for so long but its time to go)
2 Koth of the Hammer (I have played Koth before in the main and he was great, this time he was horrid)
1 Relic of Progenitus (never came in)
1 Phyrexian Revoker (wasn't a factor for me glad it was here and not main)
1 Faerie Macabre (never came in)

Round 1 vs. Some Snap caster variant
Game 1 On the play Mooned turn 1 and rode to victory
Game 2 Moon again on the draw but he didn't have a fetch but did get to play a island and attempted to Spell Snare painter it got blasted I won. He cast 1 spell the entire match skill game (not really.)
(1-0)

Round 2 vs Junk (Drove him to the tourney FML E Bridge would have been good here)
Game 1 I won with him on 3 lands he had Vindicate my field was welder, Gstone, Painter, and lands with a furnace in hand explained how he stil lost and off to game 2.
Game 2 he lands top I have Revoker which I want to name Diamond with but top is so crucial for finding basics and smoothing draws I name top. Long story short I lose to Mox Diamond.
Game 3 is a bit of a blur coudln't activate combo as I was beaten down too far and drew 3 Tombs no Citys.
(1-1)

Round 3 Bant
Game 1 Turn 1 Blood Moon not a real game.
Game 2 Kept a no lander was rewarded with drawing a Tomb off the top Mooned. Jaya Ballard killed a KotR and did 15 damage to the face with Incinerate.
(2-1)

Round 4 Zoo (also in my car)
Game 1 a nail biter with a moon and getting there barely FIGURE!!!!!
Game 2 I was in it for a while but the swarm got there
Game 3 I feared the REBs he could bring in too much but combed off at 4 life. His first turn was Canopy, Hierarch pass I was Stone pass. He goes you are going to hate me Tiaga, Nacatl, Nacatl, and Nacatl I moon take 6, Recruiter for painter take 4. Play painter bolt 1 no block. He blows up Painter I play the second one. Again no block didnt want a silly combat trick to blow me out untap and win.
(3-1)

Round 5 Maverick
Game 1 This one was pretty epic. He had Scryb Ranger and multiple Moms all of which could have been killing me. He made the mistake of SFMing up a fire and ice. I had Painter (Blue) Magus, Fully leveled Figure!, Jaya, couple of Recruiters and a monkey. Swung him to 7 basically chucking everything bad at him with Jaya. He has 2 Jitte counters multiple moms and Scryb Ranger after combat and I have Jaya Figure and Painter and a monkey. On his turn he activated Jitte to kill off Jaya I Wildfire (first time ever) in response he StPs my Figure which would have survived. He saves stuff with mom and the ability resolves. He goes to one I pray for bolt off the top. Rip Great Furnace (booo) but I fetch to which he responds that he forgot moon was gone and fetches as well. I let him he gets Forest shuffles presents and I tell him that he is dead. He asks to take it back but we are at the point of no return. Yes, kinda crappy on my part but I put myself in a position to win in a game I should have clearly lost. Didnt draw Stone the whole long long game.
Game 2 Stony Silence, Runed Halo, Just bashed his way home before I saw blast one.
Game 3 2 minutes in round (ARG!) Moon and I comboed on turn 1 of Turns he had StP and Stoney Silence in hand but couldn't cast them due to Moon. I knew there was a reason we play that card.
(4-1)

Round 6 Fae Blade
Game 1 On the play Moon, to combo he did play a mystic which got Fire and Ice LOLz.
Game 2 He tries to tempo the match and he out temps him self. He does get his two disenchants putting my painters to the bin. I land Welder and pass. My turn I draw have blast back up Activate Stone with the effect on the stack weld it out bring in painter name blue "kill you?" he tries to rules lawyer for a second (I've seen him do this sort of thing before) I explain it again. Enter Scoop Step!
(5-1)

Round 7 Bryant Cook TES (ID)
(5-1-1)

Top 8
Fae Blade U/W
Game 1 I was on the moon/beat down plan then Batter skull happened on 5 lands.
Game 2 Turn 1 moon GG (best part was he feared Heretic it stay in board) Jaya blasted away relevance including a Batter skull late.
Game 3 He plays Tundra I play moon putting him on Force/Daze hand I was right he forces I remove SSG blast it. Which if he had the second c spell its no good for me he doesnt. I play out 3 painters all on blue blasting basics on the way and swing home.

Top 4
Eli Kassis U/W Snap Tempo
Game 1 He gets game one (not happy) Flippin' Batterskull
Game 2 Moon + aggro team keep him off basics not much of a game. (side out 4 grindstones 2 tops and 1 chromes mox for: Revoker, 2 Koth, Blast, Heretic, and 2 Pyroclasm.) His board has mutiple hate cards which I tried to not play around by hoping to blank some of his deck. Gotta try to next level a master sometimes.
Game 3 Going good till Batterskull hit the table :( Heretic is way too slow. Wished I had Metamorph and Manic Vandal.

Money in my pocket sounded really good. Recruiters have more than paid for themselves in the years I've had mine. Top 4 chopped to $350! :cool:

nice list its very similar to mine ;) haha

well in my meta.. i cant play like 7 blood moons main bord thats just bad.. becus the meta im playing in they know how to play against imperial painter so they play alot of basics :(
so the list i played in amsterdam wont be the same as i play in my meta.. :)

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Originally Posted by Vesper Ghoul

Sideboard (15 cards)
1 Pyroblast
2 Pyroclasm (better than I want to admit)
3 Trinisphere (never came in)
2 Tormod's Crypt (never came in)
1 Umezawa's Jitte (Still good)
1 Viashino Heretic (Yep too slow, bad all day been in board for so long but its time to go)
2 Koth of the Hammer (I have played Koth before in the main and he was great, this time he was horrid)
1 Relic of Progenitus (never came in)
1 Phyrexian Revoker (wasn't a factor for me glad it was here and not main)
1 Faerie Macabre (never came in)

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Figure of Destiny: have you tryed kargan dragonlord?
Viashino Heretic: have you tryed manic vandal? i think its alot better.
Trinisphere: what decks was it against, cus i found thorn of amethyst alot better against ANT becus its so easy to cast turn 1 insted of turn 2 (that might be too late against ANT decks)
Pyroclasm: is to bad in my home meta cus of all the G/W so i will play firespout again :)

dont you miss like metamorph against emrakul or progenitus? :D

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Originally Posted by Grymer

nice list its very similar to mine ;) haha

well in my meta.. i cant play like 7 blood moons main bord thats just bad.. becus the meta im playing in they know how to play against imperial painter so they play alot of basics :(
so the list i played in amsterdam wont be the same as i play in my meta.. :)


Figure of Destiny: have you tryed kargan dragonlord?
Viashino Heretic: have you tryed manic vandal? i think its alot better.
Trinisphere: what decks was it against, cus i found thorn of amethyst alot better against ANT becus its so easy to cast turn 1 insted of turn 2 (that might be too late against ANT decks)
Pyroclasm: is to bad in my home meta cus of all the G/W so i will play firespout again :)

dont you miss like metamorph against emrakul or progenitus? :D

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1. I have tried Kargan if you think leveling Figure is hard try Kargan it was terrible for me.
2. Heretic needs to go as in my comment on it in board. Not owning Standard cards is an issue at times.
3. Been playing Trinisphere for a long time Thorn may be better against ANT but I haven't tested it which is funny cause I play ANT as well. The meta at this store is so heavy blue I figured I'd dodge combo all day. More players play TES there than ANT I might test it out to see what is better. The Ari LAx build is almost always turn 3 and almost never turn 1 TES is more of a turn 1/2 deck. At SCG Open Baltimore I played ANT vs painter and I won playing ANT.
4. Thought about Firespout, Red Sun's Zenith, Slagstorm, and Pyroclasm for the sweeper. The amount of people playing Delver meant no to Firespout. Almost played RSZ for the extra shuffle effect (might be good.) Slagstorm I like for being 3 damage that could also be a kill spell late. I plan on testing the last two.
5. I wanted Metamorph for Batterskull more than anything else. Gotta buy more standard cards.

Pyroclasm: is to bad in my home meta cus of all the G/W so i will play firespout again :)




I think pyroclasm is enough for gw, firespout cannot kill aven and scryb ranger.

Does Thorn of Amethyst help against Sneakshow？I always think this match up is nearly unwinnable...

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Originally Posted by Vesper Ghoul

4. Thought about Firespout, Red Sun's Zenith, Slagstorm, and Pyroclasm for the sweeper. The amount of people playing Delver meant no to Firespout. Almost played RSZ for the extra shuffle effect (might be good.) Slagstorm I like for being 3 damage that could also be a kill spell late. I plan on testing the last two.

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Would you sideboard a board sweeper in against decks that plays Delver ? you have a good machup against those decks.. blasts, bolts and jaya should do the job against blue creatures like cliuqe and delver.. :)

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Originally Posted by Grymer

Pyroclasm: is to bad in my home meta cus of all the G/W so i will play firespout again :)

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Originally Posted by GoblinZ

I think pyroclasm is enough for gw, firespout cannot kill aven and scryb ranger.

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yea your right.. but my meta is alot aggro based G/W, Goblin, Merfolk and random cookie decks (where firespout is alot better)

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Originally Posted by GoblinZ

Does Thorn of Amethyst help against Sneakshow？I always think this match up is nearly unwinnable...

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hmm i dont think it helps alot.. i havent played the machup against a good player in my meta yet.. only the random dudes that sometimes show up with bad builds(i win those) but i dont think we realy can win easy... i guess the plan against sneak_attack.deck is to get painter down as fast as you can an prey to god that you will rip off blaster every draw lolz.. so you can hold them from getting show and tell or sneak attack resovled ;) and ofc board GY hate so you can still combo them.

Depending on the type of deck with Delver I would/do/did. The U/W build to take down a first turn delver 2nd turn SFM you better believe it.