[Deck] Jund

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I think one other Jund poster here used to run Swan Songs on the sideboard. I have never tried but I have mixed feelings. It IS a hard counter vs combo, but it will weaken your manabase and steal too many sideboard slots. Like.. one US and 3 Swan Songs to make it pop up in your hand? 4? That's already 1/3 of your sideboard. I'd say stick to the discard plan!

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That was me, and that was some time ago.
It was good, but it is essentially a two card combo (sea is easy to fetch i know). However you dont wonna cascade into SS with BBE and i generally dislike having lands in the board (i didnt have the sea maindeck as that just seemed clunky).
It seems perfect for SnT, but duress+pyroblast and all our mainboard discard is in my opinion better since you get to stay with your jund colors and and dont have to rely on having a fetchland AND SS.

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Originally Posted by Neffy

That was me, and that was some time ago.
It was good, but it is essentially a two card combo (sea is easy to fetch i know). However you dont wonna cascade into SS with BBE and i generally dislike having lands in the board (i didnt have the sea maindeck as that just seemed clunky).
It seems perfect for SnT, but duress+pyroblast and all our mainboard discard is in my opinion better since you get to stay with your jund colors and and dont have to rely on having a fetchland AND SS.

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Makes sense to me. I think I'll still give them a try as I'm quite curious, but I don't think SS is the card I/we're looking for. Testing will be next week though, tonight I'm playing a fun Nic Fit brew as I want to play the new Ob Nixalis :)

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Originally Posted by Punish Foolz

I cut pulse from my deck entirely sometime last year and I haven't missed it. I've had much better results with diabolic edict. Pulse was played in older jund lists to answer creatures and Planeswalkers, fire helps trim the fat so the edict effects can take on the meat of opposing creatures and Planeswalkers aren't well positioned against punishing fire. I'm not saying running pulse is flat out wrong, but I would encourage you to try cutting it for an edict and see how you like it. I didn't want to cut pulse but my friend assured me I would like it if I tried it, and he was right.

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I've cut Pulse from my 75 too and haven't looked back. I've played an Edict on and off for a while. It's not in my 75 at the moment, but could definitely make a return as it's very useful, just quite meta dependent. I have enough answers to TNN already.

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Originally Posted by Dissection

I've cut Pulse from my 75 too and haven't looked back. I've played an Edict on and off for a while. It's not in my 75 at the moment, but could definitely make a return as it's very useful, just quite meta dependent. I have enough answers to TNN already.

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Diabolic Edict goes well against Reanimator and Sneak Show as well. Chainer's is better for grindy, since it loses instant speed for a second use.
I started using Diabolic maindeck and never went back.

// Deck: Jund (60)

// Lands
3 Badlands
2 Bayou
1 Forest
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Marsh Flats
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Wasteland
1 Wooded Foothills

// Creatures
3 Bloodbraid Elf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Tarmogoyf

// Spells
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Diabolic Edict
3 Hymn to Tourach
1 Life from the Loam
2 Lightning Bolt
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Punishing Fire
1 Sylvan Library
4 Thoughtseize

// Sideboard
SB: 3 Duress
SB: 1 Ensnaring Bridge
SB: 1 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Obstinate Baloth
SB: 1 Pernicious Deed
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Pyroblast
SB: 1 Rakdos Charm
SB: 1 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 1 Umezawa's Jitte
This is the list I'm taking to an iq this Sunday, I won the last legacy event I played at this location so I'll be attempting to run it back.

http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=68747
This was the list I won with so you see the tweaks I've made since

Love the list. Baloth comes in vs mirror, bug and esper?

And burn :)

I can understand the reasoning behind some changes, but why would you ever play Marsh Flats over Bloodstained Mires?!

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Originally Posted by DOM

I can understand the reasoning behind some changes, but why would you ever play Marsh Flats over Bloodstained Mires?!

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Just because it makes the deck match doesn't mean it makes a difference. Unless you have a Taiga, you can search up nothing with a Bloodstained Mire that you can't search up with Marsh Flats. Hell, I borrowed Polluted Deltas for one bout in an effort to make it look like I was playing BUG and am running Marsh Flats right now because someone borrowed two of my Marsh Flats.

That's the thing, there's a real downside in playing a land that tells the opponent "I'm not playing a Taiga or basic Mountain." There's some marginal utility in perhaps representing a different deck (e.g. Flats>Swamp>DRS could be anything) but you have to weigh that against the information given in all those other games.

You say that like Taiga is the blowout of the century when in many cases it's suboptimal deck design. By sharp contrast, there is incredible value to be gained by turn 0-2 information. Or not giving a shit about petty mind games and not paying $100 on a set of fetches you literally cannot use in any other deck.

Edit: When the hell did bluffing a basic Mountain become a thing?

Not exactly true, I use Bloodstained in TES.

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Originally Posted by Dice_Box

Not exactly true, I use Bloodstained in TES.

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And Zombardment.

Marsh Flats and polluted delta are the black fetches to run imo. You can represent a lot of different decks. I wouldn't run taiga in this deck, 4 groves, 3 wastes, and a badic forest is a lot of nonblack sources for a deck trying to cast hymns and Liliana.

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Originally Posted by HammerAndSickled

That's the thing,there's a real downside in playing a land that tells the opponent "I'm not playing a Taiga or basic Mountain." There's some marginal utility in perhaps representing a different deck (e.g. Flats>Swamp>DRS could be anything) but you have to weigh that against the information given in all those other games.

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This is a good point that I had not considered.

Maybe this kind of thing only matters to me because I play Lands. Often I spend game 1 noting all the lands my opponent plays in order to deduce how best to cut them off. Using Ghost Quarter I can pin someone's only Swamp and use Wastes and Ports to keep them off of double B all game, for example. So if someone plays a Flats I'd probably write (0 T 0 M) on my notes sheet from the get-go.

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Originally Posted by HammerAndSickled

So if someone plays a Flats I'd probably write (0 T 0 M) on my notes sheet from the get-go.

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I mean, you could probably safely write that as soon as they identify their deck as Jund, but ok.

I don't think Fetch choices are an accurate method of assessing what the deck is. If anything it's what they fetch/cast later on. I run Scalding Tarns in Reanimator since I didn't have a full set of polluted deltas.

On the topic of edict cards: I thought about running Imperial Edict for shits and giggles then realized it was a destroy effect and not a sac.

I think it can depend on what kind of event you are playing at. If you go to something like last years DC Legacy event, I would just assume that everyone has limitless moeny to make they deck of their choosing, thus I would be happy to read into the choices they make and the early cards they fetch and crack. But at lesser events, I can see this not being something that you can do as commonly so... yea.

The flip side is when you get people whom have EVERYTHING. These people are a pain. Gone up against RUG before, guy was running one of each blue fetch and four Foothills. Why? Because he owned them and they gave mixed messages. (And later I found out because he ran three fucking Needles main...) In TES I run Bloodstained in my spread to hide my opening and see if I can keep the other guy relaxed. You do not thing "Storm" when you see Bloodstained. Even if you crack it into a Blue Dual people do not jump to the same assumtions as they do off "Delta, Volc, Ponder."