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Deck
Lands
4xwooded foothills
4xwindswepth heath
3xtaiga
3xplateau
3xsavannah
1xmountain
1xforest
1xplains
Creatures
4xwoolly thoctar
4xtarmogoyf
4xgrim lavamancer
4xqasali pridemage
4xwild nacatl
4xkird ape
Spells
4xlightning bolt
4xchain lightning
4xlightning helix
4xpath to exile
Sideboard
3xethersworn canonist
3xkrosan grip
3x Pithing Needle
3xtormod's crypt
3x Sulfuric Vortex
This is my version of the deck.
I like it, and feel t hat it plays well...What do you guys think of my build?
4 thoctars are probably too much. I'm also noting a lack of Knights.Quote:
Originally Posted by technomancer
Drop a savannah for mire. Savannah is the least wanted dual and you need the extra fetch to fuel your mancers because you're going creature heavy.Quote:
Originally Posted by technomancer
Whether you go with Thoctars or Knights is up to you but 4 of either is too much. Run 2 or 3. Also, test Sylvan Library if you haven't yet.
Knight of the Reliquary is the Supermarket Lavamancer needs. Be safe to assume 4 Throctars is too much, so test cutting those four slots for 2 Sylvan Libraries/Knights. If you hit any one card of this slot, you'll be happy you did. And definitely think about chopping a Savannah for a Bloodstained Mire.Quote:
Originally Posted by GMTemplar
Otherwise, this list seems to encompass all of the sensical tech this thread has put forth.
Another thing to try out:
getting the cards necessary to port this over to the domain Zoo build with Dark Confidant instead of 4 Libraries/Lavamancers/KotR. 4 Bob's can replace that card slot, and you can get a Polluted Delta/Flooded Strand to search for an Underground Sea/Volcanic Island. Drop Chain Lightning to get four slots for Tribal Flames. 12 cards on the side to make a completely different deck. Either way, you should do well with it, good luck!
What? That's a HORRIBLE plan. You should only include one Volcanic Island to get blue with, since its only purpose in the deck is to power up 4 spells, and isn't even required to cast them. Just use your mires or foothills to fetch the island, or if you want to be able to fetch blue with all your fetches, add a tundra or a tropical island. But seriously, don't run an underground sea or blue fetches.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
Yeah. I think the best manabase for 5c Zoo is this:
4 Wooded Foothills
3 Windswepth Heath
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Taiga
2 Plateau
1 Savannah
1 Bayou
1 Badlands
1 Volcanic island
1 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Plains
No blue fetches necessary. That's 2 black sources for the 4 Confidant and 4 Vindicate maindeck. 3 Needle in the SB for anti-wasteland, but it's always possible to fetch basics and play like Naya Zoo, holding onto black sources until they're needed.
Manabases like that really hurt my eyes. Any Zoo Manabase not running 4 Wooded Foothills is simply not optimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by keys
Good call, +1 foothills, -1 mire is better. I just put the 3/3/3 split as needle protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackaber
I totally dig that.Quote:
Originally Posted by hungryLIKEALION
You could cooperate with some other skilled Zoo player like Loxodon etc.
You have my vote.
I appreciate your faith in me. I'll ask loxy if he'd be interested.
Scythe Tiger
g
Creature - Cat Common
Shroud
When Scythe Tiger enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless you sacrifice a Forest.
3/2
I think kird ape have to go now.
I intend to test this guy, but I don't have my hopes too high. This deck has enough trouble with mana denial as is, and you'd have to up your land count to something like 23-24 to compensate. I think in the end you'll find he's not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schembo
I disagree. Sacrificing land in Zoo is not helpful. Either that, or the manabase would have to change to accommodate him. I do like the Shroud though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schembo
Edit: once again, I'm too slow.
I' don't think anyone ever considered running rogue elephant in this dec so I doubt the tiger will cut it especially since his drawback also negatively affects your other undercosted critters.
I kind of agree with this. 2 toughness won't make that shroud go too far. And your opponent will happily make the even trade in theory, because then you're down a card.Quote:
Originally Posted by mackaber
Also, Scythe Tiger sounds like the name of a Mega Man X boss. Just saying.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...1&d=1252210281
Looks like the manabase got a bit better.
But the question is, in my opinion, if you play RGW Naya Zoo, don't you have all your fetchies already? You can play a manabase featuring 4 Heath and 4 Foothills, so you'd be able to fetch every dual with every fetchland.
If you're focussing more on red than the other colors, it might be worth testing (or as Fetchie 9-10).
Not rly. That land is better because u should be playing 10 fetch with lavamancer/KotR and those 2 bloodstained mire's should be replaced by that new land then.
U/G, U/R, and W/R fetches are going to be the hot items.
Each and ever one of the enemy fetch lands are going to be a hot ticket; including B/G for eva green, Team America and Rock!Quote:
Originally Posted by keys
Also, Rougue Elephant has never been playable in zoo or the old three deuce zoo variant decks. How is Tiger ever going to be playable here? Cut Kird Ape for Tiger? Common! That move is palpably less then prudent; and that's putting it mildly!