the new eldrazi dude is obviously terrible. why even bother talking about it? just compare it with other positbilities
Printable View
the new eldrazi dude is obviously terrible. why even bother talking about it? just compare it with other positbilities
Eternal Scourge 3
Creature - Eldrazi Horror
You may cast Eternal Scourge from exile.
When Eternal Scourge becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, exile it.
3/3
Competes for the 3 spot with Matter Reshaper - it's easier to cast, its a 3/3, it can come back from STP, but it has sulking.
Yeah not Bad!
Dodges Swords (Path etc) so it is better vs Miracle, DnT, Maverick etc. It will also work under Moon (bonus vs miracle) and 3/3 is still good enough vs most legacy Creatures!
So we have this Dude vs a decks with White removal and Reshaper vs BGx decks. Looks not to Bad as Meta slots.
I really like this... It keeps coming back, no matter what's used. Sure Abrupt Decay it, it'll still go to exile, and we can still recast it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
If nothing else, at least warrants some testing but seems legit.
Dies to combat damage and sweepers only. I like.
Or sac effectsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Can be better or worse than Matter Reshaper, depending on the match-up.
Shame we can't really support Food Chain to combo with it, making Endless Ones really endless. :tongue:
Not terrible, but also not clearly better than Reshaper as it doesn't cycle. I do like the cleaner mana cost, but since Reshaper is usually the last card my opponents are worried about, it's not really dodging a whole lot of hypothetical Swords or Abrupt Decays. Also risks a serious tempo loss if the opponent has something that can target repeatedly.
As for tempo loss, it depends. It's obviously great with Eye of Ugin, as it only costs 1 to recast.Quote:
Originally Posted by urza_insane
It also doesnt die to thalia and hatebears, which is pretty good bonus. If you see alot of bloodmoon decks, this is definitely worth replacing reshapers for. Vs miracles, their only out against this is terminus and entreat angels.
I'll bite. I think this is the most relevant card spoiled so far (more than Thalia or Octopi) so let's break things down a bit.
Eternal Scourge Pros:
+Vs Blood Moon
+Vs Swords to Plowshares
+Vs Punishing Fire
+When facing 2 power creatures (Thalia, Snapcaster, Mimic, Shardless, Pyro)
+Vs multiple Blots/Decays/Disfigure
+Casting off Eye + Cavern/Urborg turn 2
Eternal Scourge Cons:
-When facing 3+ power creates (Angler, Goyf, Smasher, TKS, Batterskull, TNN, Knight)
-Vs Strix
-Vs Sweepers (Toxic Deluge, Supreme Verdict)
-Certain cards that target (pyroblast, displacer, infect pump, Forked Bolt)
Anything major missing?
At first glance it's better vs Miracles, slighty worse vs the Mirror, and doesn't make a difference vs Combo. I'm worried it might be marginally weaker vs Grixis and Shardless though, which are matchups I'm more worried about than Miracles. More testing needed.
Next emerge creature up to bat:
Distended Mindbender 8
Creature - Eldrazi Insect
Emerge 5BB (You may cast this spell by sacrificing a creature and paying its emerge cost reduced by that creature's converted mana cost.)
When you cast Distended Mindbender, target opponent reveals his or her hand. You choose from it a nonland card with converted mana cost 3 or less and a card with converted mana cost 4 or greater. That player discards those cards.
8/8
Compared to Eldrazipus - it is in better colors - it can play well with Tomb of Urborg. And now we have another 3 mana eldrazi so you don't need to run two colors with Displacer. It's effect is also better IMO.
Again though - the double color of emerge hurts it a lot, and it is probably not good enough - however it is a cast trigger so even if they counter it - you're not getting two for oned - and it gets you card advantage.
Let's imagine -->
Turn 1 - Sol Land --> Chalice
Turn 2 - Caverns --> Matter Reshaper or New guy
Turn 3 - Tomb --> Sac Reshaper --> Draw a Card --> MindBender (gets countered (asusming you didn't cast Caverns turn 2?) --> Still double Duress. Opponent is down a counter, a card 3 cmc below, a bomb (a card 4 CMC plus), and can't cast 1 mana spells. You still have 3-4 cards in hand. Turn 4 you can cast anything you want.
Turn 1 - Eye of Ugin --> Mimic
Turn 2 - Sol-Land --> TKS
Turn 3 - Tomb --> Sac Mimic for MindBender --> at this point even if it gets countered you basically tripple durressed your opponent and have at least a 4/4 or a 4/4 and a 8/8 out.
I think it deserves some tests :eyebrow:
I would still run Displacer, New EMERGE-Drazi would like a BW Manabase. Cavern, Crossroads and some Urborg and Karakas and you can use Displacer, New Anti Combo Bad Boy and even World Breaker at Side :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Edit: but afterall we don't need more cards vs combo
Yeah the test is always - is this card better against shardless . . . which . . . compared to endbringer it's not really :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by MD.Ghost
http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhteb...b9k5qhLMYz.png
Mindbender is also a 5/5, not an 8/8. Still waiting for my permanent killer Emerge Eldrazi, but it looks like that chance is already gone with the Overrunner in green.
Oops, sorry I got the P/T wrong :(.
Yes (and we have World Breaker already)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
BUT maybe we still get Emerge with R for damage and W for exile ;)
Yes, would be much better with 8/8 to combat gofy or mirror...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
The cost is still pretty hefty in my opinion IF you dont have a reshaper to sac. Endless One is a 0, Mimic is a 2 and both dont provide a bonus when sacced. The other creatures will rarely be a valid sac target..
Also versus many decks you will "just" be hitting a "lower than cmc3". So far i can just view this as a worse Thought-Knot Seer. Also 5/5 is a bit small for all that effort you are going with it...
But maybe i will be proven wrong when someone actually tests this ^_^
Agreed – this would take Endringer's slot as a 1-of and I don't think it's nearly as versatile. Especially because the discard effect will be pretty useless lategame.Quote:
Originally Posted by sporenfrosch1411
Can we pay the EMERGE mana cost with colored mana of Cavern of Souls?
Alternatively, red could end up with destroy/Exile artifact/land and white could be destroy artifact or enchantment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MD.Ghost
Any of that would be worth looking at if the mana cost doesn't include RR or WW.
The three drop guy is interesting, but doesn't really give us anything significantly better than what we have.
Still a lot of spoilers to go