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UBG landstill? You got me. The one deck in the format that doesn't have an instant speed, cheap ass way to deal with Wort.
And you know what? Yeah, I'd still take Ringleader over Wort, because it's pretty much guaranteed to get me card advantage right now when I need it, not maybe, possibly next turn when it might be too late.
I like both Kiki and Wort, they're both very situational.. There are many situations where both could flourish where the other cannot.
I only choose Wort since I have no creatures at the 4 mana cost slot.
Is it a bad idea to sideboard cabal therapies AND krosan grips? I just don't want to get away from playing goblins and playing too much control out of a sideboard sub.
It's a shame my sideboard is very weak after those two cards..
I have one tormod's crypt against threshold, 1x pyrokinesis, 2x anarchy, 2x pulverize, 4x Red Elemental Blast.. 1x Siege-Gang, 1x Tranquil Domain..
I don't have any spare Chalice of the Void, Leylines, or Pithing Needles.
So you feel it's enough creature control with
the weirdings/Incinerator/Fanatic?
The kiki thing was for Mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by P-AiR
Ringleader costs four. Your four drop slot is fine, with or without Wort.
I can't think of a match-up where you'd be bringing in both Grip and Therapy. It's been my experience that Therapy is only really good in the Combo match-up.
Weirding/Gempalm/Fanatic(Sharpshooter) is probably enough removal. Though I do currently have a raging hard-on for Shriekmaw.
i think if you want to play Hovel, it would be in place of fetchland not port rishadan
Why do you talk again about kiki? i believed you knew that it's a win more card, not necessary. And you can't compare kiki with wort... but you can see that wort gives you a late game plan, not kiki... alone, wort is a 3/3 fear for 4 and kiki a 2/2 for 5...
Well this is my decklist after much consideration of which color to splash.. I decided to follow what most people suggested.. tri-coloring even though I do lack some duals/fetches..
// Lands
6 Mountain
2 Badlands
1 Bloodstained Mire
2 Rishadan Port
3x Auntie's Hovel
3x Stomping Grounds
4 Wasteland
2 Wooded Foothills
// Creatures
3 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Matron
2 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Mogg Fanatic
2 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Tin-street Hooligan
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Wort, Boggart Auntie
4 Goblin Lackey
// Spells
3 Warren Weirding
// Artifacts
4 Aether Vial
//Sideboard
3x Cabal Therapy
3x Krosan Grip
1x Siege-Gang
Would anyone put a 3rd siege-gang in, in place of a sharpshooter?
Against control decks I'd feel obliged to sub in both cabal therapy and krosan grip.. That's what I fear, not drawing enough goblins and slowing myself down because I'm subbing both those cards in.
TB's right, though. It's the same principle. Why aren't they all just Siege-Gang Commanders? Why would you tutor for/dig up a Wort and have a chance at card advantage if your opponent has no removal when you could tutor for/dig up a Ringleader and get the card advantage regardless of whether they have removal or not? Is there really any function for Higher CMC cards that Ringleader and Siege-Gang don't fulfill?Quote:
Originally Posted by puddn
EDIT: Also, with Warren Weirding increasing Lackey connection percentages, I have a hard time not wanting to increase my Siege-Gang Commander count to at least 3. Lackey into SGC on turn two is still ridiculous.
Something about evoke must just get your jibblies janglin'. Shriekmaw's kinda neat, but is it really worth slots here?Quote:
Originally Posted by TeenieBopper
This is why I'm cutting Wort for the third SGC. Back when I was only running one Piledriver (yes, I'm back up to four), I was running the third Siege Gang, and it was awesome. Man, if I could justify running four, I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
The evoke is cute and all, but I really like the 3/2 evasion dude that comes with 187'ing some big fatty. I also love setting Vial to five, activating, killing a (stupid fucking) Tarmogoyf and then blocking a Mongoose. That's what really gets my jibblies janglin'. I know it's not totally necessary, which is why I've been slowly cutting him from the board. I'm down to two right now.Quote:
Something about evoke must just get your jibblies janglin'. Shriekmaw's kinda neat, but is it really worth slots here?
One difference between Kiki/Mob/etc. and Wort is that no more than three 5cc Goblins are usually run, because it would hurt the curve too much, so SGC easily takes all those spots. But Goblin has always run 4 Ringleaders, and until now there have been no other significant options for the 4cc slot. So it's entirely possible that a fifth 4-coster (i.e. Wort) fits in the deck.
There are also a few scenarios where Wort pulls you out of the gutter while Ringleader does little or nothing. Fanatic recursion saves your ass against Ichorid (eat two of the fuckers and all Bridges each turn) and will nullify a Jitte that you can't Hooligan (either because you have a Warchief out or because you lack green). Incinerator recursion is pretty absurd in the mirror (where the 3/3 body also helps), and prevents Crucible/Factory from being an Abyss. And against decks which rely on black-based removal, Wort, being unkillable, will draw you more cards than Ringleader.
I don't personally splash green, but this guy caught my attention.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...9&d=1207024035
I currently only have 1 driver MD, but I'm thinking this guy could possibly bring goblins back to it's aggro roots. Thoughts?
EDIT: aww damnit. Reading cards is tech.. only BLOCKED guys get +1/+0 and trample. I thought it was an overrun on a stick. Tears, cant it just be rare and be good???
Mods, feel free to delete this post, as it is likely irrel. I will now hang my head in shame and go back to playing Rb goblins.
This guy seems good:
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Vexing Shusher
{rg}{rg}
Creature - Goblin Shaman Rare
Vexing Shusher can't be countered by spells or abilities.
{rg}: Target spell can't be countered by spells or abilities.
2/2
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He's got a decent body, and is probably the best 2 CMC goblin for helping you win if you're not already winning. His ability is pretty narrow, but in my experience, control decks will often not counter matron, instead opting to counter what you get. He could be a one-of (SB) to help you resolve wierdings against counter-top decks, and SGCs against Moat decks. (here I suppose he serves the same purpose as K Grip, but hes a goblin and tutorable)
I like him, and If he is printed as-is, I may consider running the light splash for him and tin street in the board.
EDIT: O shit! As they uses the symbol abbreviations, his ability can be payed for with either R OR G, not R AND G as I originally thought! Thank you jeebus! I don't even NEED to splash green if this is spoiled correctly!
Shusher might be pretty badass, no question.
At some point, though, it needs to be kept in perspective that Goblins is already one of the best decks ever at dodging counters via Aether Vial. However, this guy would definitely shine in certain matchups.
With Vial, Lackey, and the spread out mana curve I don't think Goblins needs another way around counters. Focusing on other MUs is probably a better use of your SB slots because I can't think of anything you would want to run it over in the MD.
It definetly warrents playtesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by bladewing019
In what slot would you test it in? What would it be better than the majority of the time? I don't think it really works as a one of, because you want it out before the opponent can set up a counter wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by insertnamehere
Shusher looks really hot. I'd love this as a 1-of. Matron immediately becomes a "must counter" spell, taking some heat off of your other spells in the process. Sometimes I have troubles dealing with CB @ 2 against Thresh. Sometimes you just need to resolve a Weirding. IMO, Shusher is better than Pyro and REB for answering to counters once you get him. I guess the issue is getting him though.
I dunno. I think this card is hot. I might pick it up regardless of what everyone else does.
Vexing Shusher can't be countered by spells or abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tacosnape
Right. I knew that. Must learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by from Cairo
Vialing in a Shusher in response to something sounds pretty fun. But do you ever have real issues with countermagic at that point in the game? If they had Forces they would have pitched them already to get Lackey/Vial, and the Shusher doesnt do much against Daze. Goblins doesn't really have issues with Counterbalance either, Ringleader will probably get through. I guess he helps force through Weirding with an active counterbalance in play, buts thats about it.
He's also a 2/2 body for 2 mana. I'd play it in some of the Piledriver's slot.
I might very well board him. I'm not really going to want him all that often, but I might want him often enough to be card #4 beyond Pyrokinesis/Graveyard Hate/Enchantment Removal. I could see him helping against Landstill and Threshold - Decks which like to counter Matron and Ringleader to keep me from having card advantage. As for dealing with Chalice of the Void, he might be okay here even with Tin-Street Hooligan. Playing him through a Chal-2 then playing the Hooligan would be kinda sick.