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Originally Posted by Kirika

I also played in SCG NJ with the same list I posted earlier but I put in 2 Obstinate Baloth in the side in place of Revoker and Relic expecting BUG and Liliana decks.

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You took cards that are arguably far better vs BUG in order to put in more situational and narrow cards? I would say that's incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Kirika

How are you beating burn?

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Blue blasts, life gain from Glimmerposts, Crop rotation into Glacial chasm, S&T into anything t3 or t4 is GG usually.

Infect can't beat Glacial chasm w/o misers wasteland or crop rotation into it. Needle wasteland and its GG. That's the plan at least.
Needle of inkmoth is ok and repeals do work here.

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Originally Posted by Kirika

Death and Taxes, I'm finding to be pretty tough with their key card is Aven Mindcensor. shuts you down and can be a huge blow out and Repealing it when it has flash doesn't do much. Revoker on Top doesn't help any either.

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They only play 1 or 2 Mindcensors, just play around it as much as you can. If anything, bounce or needle vial and then if they want to hold up 3 mana every turn, you're okay w/ that.

Good to hear someone made it to NJ this weekend. Sadly was working my brains out.

Burn is mostly bebs, glimmerpost spam, and show & tell into titan. The only real danger versus them is the turn 3 kill when you get 3 nonbasics, and blood moon/sulfuric vortex.

Unveiling a new beast build tonight at my weekly. If it does well I'll post it! In fact, I'll probably post it either way.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Good to hear someone made it to NJ this weekend. Sadly was working my brains out.

Burn is mostly bebs, glimmerpost spam, and show & tell into titan. The only real danger versus them is the turn 3 kill when you get 3 nonbasics, and blood moon/sulfuric vortex.

Unveiling a new beast build tonight at my weekly. If it does well I'll post it! In fact, I'll probably post it either way.

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Treasure Cruise is all the rage with them hipsters I heard! ;-D

I did exactly that in game #1 against burn. Turn 4 hardcast primetime into glimerpost glimerpost, gain 8, reset back to 18.
The optimal play may have been get glimerpost and chasm. He untapped, double bolted primetime then PoP'ed me.
Game 2, I mulliganed to 6 and had to burn a BEB to counter Edilion #2. Then died to PoP. :-P

hopefully byes at the gp will let you avoid these kind of matches in the early rounds, but its probably gonna be like richmond if there anticipating as many players as they say. just bring the deck you know and run hot all day

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Good to hear someone made it to NJ this weekend. Sadly was working my brains out.

Burn is mostly bebs, glimmerpost spam, and show & tell into titan. The only real danger versus them is the turn 3 kill when you get 3 nonbasics, and blood moon/sulfuric vortex.

Unveiling a new beast build tonight at my weekly. If it does well I'll post it! In fact, I'll probably post it either way.

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Great to hear... Almost feels like X-Mas ;-)

Played a little tournament (21 people) on Sunday, using U/G build with 4 S&T, 3 Eldrazi, 1 Moment's Peace...

R1: BUG Delver, 2:0 (both games turn 1 Delver, Lilly turn 3/4, but no real clock)

R2: ANT, 1:1 (he fizzeles game 1, second attempt is Past in Flames answered by crop into bog, third one empty the warrens, crop again into chasmn. Titan wins. Not much time left, fast kill game two via ToA, time over before game three starts)

R3: Some kind of... I don't even know. Saw cards like Academy Rector, Kitchen Finks, Pernicous Deed, GSZ, Dryad Arbor, Garruk Relentless... Two really fast and relaxing wins, 2:0

R4: Merfolk, 0:2. Absolutly no chance... Game one S&T into Emrakul, opponent puts Phantasmal Image into play... Game two Moment's Peace buys me two turns, S&T into Titan, opponent puts Phantasmal into play again, going for two Wastelands... Later he attacks and puts two Mutavaults into play. Just too many Lords, Counter, Wastelands, plus 4 Phantasmal Images main.

R5: UWr Miracles, 1:1:1. Game one normal play, after several turns he can't stop me from casting Emrakul. Game two he resolves Blood Moon, slowing me down. Entreat for 5 Angels while I am at 19, no cards for life gain in hand. Game three Blood Moon again, extra turns, one turn missing for me, draw.

Merfolk and Burn seem to be very difficult, Miracles is my personal nemesis... Almost always draw :-/

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Originally Posted by Postman

R4: Merfolk, 0:2. Absolutly no chance... Game one S&T into Emrakul, opponent puts Phantasmal Image into play... Game two Moment's Peace buys me two turns, S&T into Titan, opponent puts Phantasmal into play again, going for two Wastelands... Later he attacks and puts two Mutavaults into play. Just too many Lords, Counter, Wastelands, plus 4 Phantasmal Images main.

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Clones dont work like that

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Originally Posted by caw_86

Clones dont work like that

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They do not work like that when put in off S&T. You can't put in a Phantasmal image and copy Emrakul if those are the two cards that were put in.
They both enter at the same time and Phantasmal image is an "AS" effect, so the creature it chooses to copy has to already be in play before it. Since Emrakul or Titan enters at the same time, it cannot copy it.

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Originally Posted by sauce

They do not work like that when put in off S&T. You can't put in a Phantasmal image and copy Emrakul if those are the two cards that were put in.
They both enter at the same time and Phantasmal image is an "AS" effect, so the creature it chooses to copy has to already be in play before it. Since Emrakul or Titan enters at the same time, it cannot copy it.

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What he said.

I assume they were putting them in with snt

I love when there's an empty field and they put in illusion with show & tell vs my fatty. I always wish the illusion well as it dies due to state based effects! Similarly I love when they put in planeswalkers on show & tell. Minus one local judge who continues to judge this incorrectly, which is just a nuisance.

Tonight's event went off amazingly. 6-2-0 in games. Won the event. Played Tinfins /w wastelands, BUG /w Jace, and Belcher.

// Lands
2 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ZEN] Island (1)
2 [ON] Polluted Delta

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [ZEN] Expedition Map
2 [US] Show and Tell
4 [GP] Repeal
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
4 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [OD] Moment's Peace

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [AL] Force of Will
SB: 3 [THS] Swan Song
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 3 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 2 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker


The Boat was so incredibly amazing. I cast it at 1 plenty, 5 on turn 3 several times, a few times at 8. One time I exiled 20+ cards to prevent goyf and drs damage. The card is positively bonkers. I had ~40 cards exiled at the end of that game, after 3 boats, one of them for 20+ cards.

Also had to hydroblast my land and swan song it in response to a xantid swarm trigger to stabilize a game vs Belcher. Had I kept those at BeB's, would've done nothing.

My two game losses involved getting turn 1 Belched game one. And Me having 9 random draws to draw any mana source or expedition map to win the game while lilly ticked up and up and up. Alas no.


:Edit: I was originally poo-poo'ing Treasure Cruise as a super-cantrip only type of deck and having a great niche in non-graveyard using tempo decks. Didn't know how I would fit it into the deck. This is my original attempt to make it work, and dropped sdt for it. That hurts my soul so much, but the deck worked quite fluidly. Still tuning it, but the card was beyond busted. It definitely belongs, just how the rest of the deck reacts is the question.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Treasure Cruise is all the rage with them hipsters I heard! ;-D

I did exactly that in game #1 against burn. Turn 4 hardcast primetime into glimerpost glimerpost, gain 8, reset back to 18.
The optimal play may have been get glimerpost and chasm. He untapped, double bolted primetime then PoP'ed me.
Game 2, I mulliganed to 6 and had to burn a BEB to counter Edilion #2. Then died to PoP. :-P

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4x Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard, usually an insta-win. Otherwise chasm. I'm usually better than 50% on this matchup.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Tonight's event went off amazingly. 6-2-0 in games. Won the event. Played Tinfins /w wastelands, BUG /w Jace, and Belcher.

// Lands
2 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ZEN] Island (1)
2 [ON] Polluted Delta

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [ZEN] Expedition Map
2 [US] Show and Tell
4 [GP] Repeal
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
4 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [OD] Moment's Peace

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [AL] Force of Will
SB: 3 [THS] Swan Song
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 3 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 2 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker


The Boat was so incredibly amazing. I cast it at 1 plenty, 5 on turn 3 several times, a few times at 8. One time I exiled 20+ cards to prevent goyf and drs damage. The card is positively bonkers. I had ~40 cards exiled at the end of that game, after 3 boats, one of them for 20+ cards.

Also had to hydroblast my land and swan song it in response to a xantid swarm trigger to stabilize a game vs Belcher. Had I kept those at BeB's, would've done nothing.

My two game losses involved getting turn 1 Belched game one. And Me having 9 random draws to draw any mana source or expedition map to win the game while lilly ticked up and up and up. Alas no.

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Delve does not work like that anymore, you can only delve for the amount needed, it counts as paying its mana cost now, not reducing how much it cost to play

i just realized that you didnt have top in your list. Im assuming that is what you cut for the boats.

top makes a lot of bad hand keep able were treasure cruise cant really do that. did you every have to mull a hand where if cruise was top it was fine.

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Originally Posted by sauce

They do not work like that when put in off S&T. You can't put in a Phantasmal image and copy Emrakul if those are the two cards that were put in.
They both enter at the same time and Phantasmal image is an "AS" effect, so the creature it chooses to copy has to already be in play before it. Since Emrakul or Titan enters at the same time, it cannot copy it.

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OMG![emoji21] Propably missed Top 4 (prizes) because of that :-/ but thanks a lot for the great explanation! Will help me in the future [emoji106]

Nice list rock! I don't think I'll be cutting top any time soon, but a few TCs will likely make their way in - the testing has been good.

More importantly, this card bodes well for our decks matchups because it will incentivize opponents to fill their grip and win shardless style by advantage. We like the late game, and can bypass a full grip of permission with a single cavern. Cavern is a must for us right now - the format is only getting faster and blue'er. A return to delver heavy format is coming..

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Originally Posted by caw_86

Delve does not work like that anymore, you can only delve for the amount needed, it counts as paying its mana cost now, not reducing how much it cost to play

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I can't believe I didn't see that M14 change go through! I had the game anyhow, and really only did the 20+ cards to be cheeky. Exiling 7 would have neutered the goyf down to a 2/3 from a 5/6 anyhow.

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Originally Posted by caw_86

i just realized that you didnt have top in your list. Im assuming that is what you cut for the boats.

top makes a lot of bad hand keep able were treasure cruise cant really do that. did you every have to mull a hand where if cruise was top it was fine.

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Still very much testing top or not. Boat is an amazing card, and I'm only testing the tip of the Titanic iceberg of its potential.

ill give boat a try tonight, probably try 3 boat with 1 top for trinket mage

I for one am very skeptical about cutting any amount of tops from this deck. Let me know how it goes caw.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

Treasure Cruise is all the rage with them hipsters I heard! ;-D

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I chuckled when I read that Rock was playing treasure cruise. I guess not playing Top does actually speed up games, to prevent a little durdling and unnecessary draws. I might have to try out the fantastic voyage as well. :-)

Rock how do you hydroblast a land? I'm assuming that's due to wording..."Destroy Target permanent if it is red" vs. "destroys a red card in play". That's awesome!

@Sauce
I saw Intoplay and Rock_Lee running Baloths board so decided to try it out.

I'm finding unless you have that early show and tell backed up by a Blue Blast or Force of Will for Price its pretty hard to win. Hard casting Titan leaves you really open to Price since they can price you with the Titan trigger on the stack (your likely taking at least 6 from price 2 Cloudpost, Trpical Forest) and your almost forced to get Chasm unless you have force because they can Price for a ton in response to Glimmerpost triggers.

Do you counter Eidilon vs Burn? I been letting it through unless I have a second counter or a Crop Rotation because you don't have that many counters and Price of Progress is game unless you have a counter or Crop rotation for Chasm which sets you back 2 land.

I don't know any Death and Taxes players who run 1 Mindcensor. Most Death and Taxes players I talk to run 3 Mindcensors including my round 7 opponent.

I won one game against Infect due to Explosives + Chasm. Other two he just got me pretty quickly. Game one I didn't know what he was on so didn't have anything vs fast aggro had a top and fetch, trop two posts with a Titan, he killed me before I cast that Titan. He had the vines for my repeal in game 3. Maybe the Chain of Vapor build is better here I haven't tested it yet.

@MaCHOOga
I think you are forced to get Chasm off Prime Time unless you have the counter for the Price. They can Price you for a ton with your 2 glimmer posts triggers on the stack.

@Rock Lee
What if you don't get the show and tell Titan vs burn?

I tried your Wurmcoil build a little bit and I like it so far but I'm finding Solemn can have no basics to fetch since you don't run that many. Probably miss the Kalni Garden vs Liliana decks but I haven't run into any online yet.

I like your new Treasure Cruise build other then no Top. I think Top is pretty much uncutable since it improves your draws so much. Is Chain of Vapor really that good to run over Top? Also only 2 Show and Tell?

@Ponders
Leyline of Santity does beat burn but I hate mulliganing for Leylines I can't cast.

@TimHarding
I agree that Cavern is necessary. Too much Delver and blue.

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Originally Posted by caw_86

i just realized that you didnt have top in your list. Im assuming that is what you cut for the boats.

top makes a lot of bad hand keep able were treasure cruise cant really do that. did you every have to mull a hand where if cruise was top it was fine.

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I'm still testing with top or not. I tried many MANY iterations with top in them, and ultimately either wasn't putting enough cards in my grave, or they bowled me over while I was fixing. I'm not saying is a non-include, but definitely not an auto 4-of as it was in the past, and at the moment I'm finding the most success with zero.

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Originally Posted by maCHOOga

I chuckled when I read that Rock was playing treasure cruise. I guess not playing Top does actually speed up games, to prevent a little durdling and unnecessary draws. I might have to try out the fantastic voyage as well. :-)

Rock how do you hydroblast a land? I'm assuming that's due to wording..."Destroy Target permanent if it is red" vs. "destroys a red card in play". That's awesome!

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Hydroblast/Pyroblast can target any permanent, but it only destroys them if red. The difference between Blue elemental Blast and Hydroblast is you can fuel storm or graveyards with them. Also can put a spell on the stack for swan songing.

Testing Snap and/or Whirlpool Whelm

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Tonight's event went off amazingly. 6-2-0 in games. Won the event. Played Tinfins /w wastelands, BUG /w Jace, and Belcher.

// Lands
2 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ZEN] Island (1)
2 [ON] Polluted Delta

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
4 [ZEN] Expedition Map
2 [US] Show and Tell
4 [GP] Repeal
2 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
3 [ON] Chain of Vapor
4 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [OD] Moment's Peace

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [AL] Force of Will
SB: 3 [THS] Swan Song
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 3 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 2 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker


The Boat was so incredibly amazing. I cast it at 1 plenty, 5 on turn 3 several times, a few times at 8. One time I exiled 20+ cards to prevent goyf and drs damage. The card is positively bonkers. I had ~40 cards exiled at the end of that game, after 3 boats, one of them for 20+ cards.

Also had to hydroblast my land and swan song it in response to a xantid swarm trigger to stabilize a game vs Belcher. Had I kept those at BeB's, would've done nothing.

My two game losses involved getting turn 1 Belched game one. And Me having 9 random draws to draw any mana source or expedition map to win the game while lilly ticked up and up and up. Alas no.


:Edit: I was originally poo-poo'ing Treasure Cruise as a super-cantrip only type of deck and having a great niche in non-graveyard using tempo decks. Didn't know how I would fit it into the deck. This is my original attempt to make it work, and dropped sdt for it. That hurts my soul so much, but the deck worked quite fluidly. Still tuning it, but the card was beyond busted. It definitely belongs, just how the rest of the deck reacts is the question.

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I'm really curious how you're playing this deck with almost no wasteland protection.

so i tried out treasure cruise tonight, i only got to play in 1 matchup were it was relevant, mono black pox, and it was great, i still lost the match though. game 3 he turn 1 liliana and proceeded to ultimate 3 times before he killed me. had to discard eldrazi twice which kept reseting my yard but it never mattered as i didnt draw a cruise.

played against belcher, ANT, pox and UR delver(was not the new list) he had more burn like PoP, fireblast, bolt and chain.

i still went 3-1. i just could not bring myself to cut tops for cruise. just after playing tonight and thinking of all the times i had top in play there is now way that it should completely replace it. i do think that it does have a place in the deck though just got to find room

i ended up just cutting 1 top, 1 needle, and 1 repeal to fit 3 treasure cruise.

// Lands
2 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
2 [IA] Island
1 [IA] forest
3 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [WWK] Bojuka Bog
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
1 [AVR] cavern of souls
1 [WWK] khalni garden

// Creatures
4 [M12] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 [ROE] Ulamog, the infinite gyre
1 [ZEN] oracle of mul daya
1 [5DN] trinket mage



// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
3 [ZEN] Expedition Map
3 [GP] Repeal
3 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [AQ] Candelabra of tawnos
3 [KTK] Treasure cruise
2 [US] Show and Tell
2 [SoK] Pithing Needle
1 [5DN] Engineered explosives
1 [ODY] moment's peace


// Sideboard
SB: 3 [THS] Swan Song
SB: 4 [AL] Force of Will
SB: 1 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 1 [ODY] moment's peace
SB: 3 [R] Blue Elemental Blast
SB: 1 [M15] Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 [SA] relic of progenitus
SB: 1 [MM] dawnstrider

Newer Treasure Cruise build after 2 events now. Got 3rd last night in 5 rounds. My loss was to my own deck. went 19 turns without casting a spell against Jund due to no colored mana or tops to filter. Slight tweaking ensuing:

// Lands
2 [TSP] Vesuva
4 [SOM] Glimmerpost
4 [MR] Cloudpost
1 [WWK] Eye of Ugin
1 [LG] Karakas
4 [R] Tropical Island
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [IA] Glacial Chasm
2 [ZEN] Island (1)
3 [ON] Polluted Delta

// Creatures
1 [ROE] Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
3 [M11] Primeval Titan
1 [ROE] Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
2 [ZEN] Oracle of Mul Daya

// Spells
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
4 [5E] Brainstorm
3 [ZEN] Expedition Map
4 [GP] Repeal
3 [AQ] Candelabra of Tawnos
4 [KTK] Treasure Cruise
2 [ON] Chain of Vapor
2 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
2 [US] Show and Tell

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [AL] Force of Will
SB: 2 [THS] Swan Song
SB: 3 [CMD] Flusterstorm
SB: 3 [IA] Hydroblast
SB: 2 [FD] Engineered Explosives
SB: 1 [SOM] Wurmcoil Engine

Unsure about 3 titans. I am positive this list will get slightly tweaked. One thing that is certain though is 3 candelabras. Treasure Cruise is especially color hungry and requires fixing.

Sorry for those economically minded players. Since Candelabras are there for color fixing, I doubt trinket mage + candelabra will work or magus of the candelabra will work nearly as efficiently.

Lastly while I still have some amount of tops here, I'm not entirely certain of their validity in this build. Ponder is a very strong alternate option, especially if you have 3+ candelabras.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Newer Treasure Cruise build after 2 events now.
Unsure about 3 titans. I'm sure this list will get slightly tweaked. One thing that is certain though is 3 candelabras. Treasure Cruise is especially color hungry and requires fixing.

Sorry for those economically minded players. Since Candelabras are there for color fixing, I doubt trinket mage + candelabra will work or magus of the candelabra will work nearly as efficiently.

Lastly while I still have some amount of tops here, I'm not entirely certain of their validity in this build. Ponder is a very strong alternate option, especially if you have 3+ candelabras.

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I appreciate the synergy between TC + Oracle of Mul Daya + more fetches.
I hope it will not reveal as only a cute one.

I don't get your point, though, about TC being color hungry ??? It is only 1 blue and 7 non colored mana. You meant "mana" right ?
No bojuka even in the side ?

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Originally Posted by Ralf

I appreciate the synergy between TC + Oracle of Mul Daya + more fetches.
I hope it will not reveal as only a cute one.

I don't get your point, though, about TC being color hungry ??? It is only 1 blue and 7 non colored mana. You meant "mana" right ?
No bojuka even in the side ?

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that more cards that require colored sources, you typically dont have more then 2 colored sources until after a titan comes down, being able to cast brainstorm, crop rotation and a chain of vapor or any other spell to fill your graveyard quickly is the goal i think

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Originally Posted by Ralf

I appreciate the synergy between TC + Oracle of Mul Daya + more fetches.
I hope it will not reveal as only a cute one.

I don't get your point, though, about TC being color hungry ??? It is only 1 blue and 7 non colored mana. You meant "mana" right ?
No bojuka even in the side ?

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Originally Posted by caw_86

that more cards that require colored sources, you typically dont have more then 2 colored sources until after a titan comes down, being able to cast brainstorm, crop rotation and a chain of vapor or any other spell to fill your graveyard quickly is the goal i think

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I think instead of evaluating TC(boat) as UX is a misnomer about its role. Rather think of boat as either your card that punches you through grindiness, or Gush with candelabra as your fastbond. Boat, bounce spells, and candelabra allow you to transform into a bizarre combo deck. In the last 2 events I have gotten to storm 10+ and 12+ cards in hand multiple times all thanks to this odd interaction.

Also regarding bojuka bog, I have sided it out constantly, and only wanted it game 1 against ichorid. I haven't played against storm that uses the grave in ages, and have a bolstered sideboard hate against them regardless to have game against outlier combo like omni.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

I think instead of evaluating TC(boat) as UX is a misnomer about its role. Rather think of boat as either your card that punches you through grindiness, or Gush with candelabra as your fastbond. Boat, bounce spells, and candelabra allow you to transform into a bizarre combo deck. In the last 2 events I have gotten to storm 10+ and 12+ cards in hand multiple times all thanks to this odd interaction.

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Yup, TC recovers the advantage lost by exploration. Cut Titan & Show and Tell, return to 4 vesuva, add oracle, exploration, (gulp) explore. It's GAT all over again! I'm pretty low on reasons to write off this type of idea because there's no real drop in control elements.

Oracle and top are still best buds and very resilient, top remains somewhat of a sacred cow in my book lol.

Truth is that casually sliding TC into our regular shells just doesn't do anything, maybe a 1 of, delve 7 or CMC 8 is a warping constraint. Hilariously this bothers miracles even further.

But bog = double mana leak against opposing TC!

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Originally Posted by TimHarding

But bog = double mana leak against opposing TC!

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Sadly, no. Delve costs are paid as the spell is cast. That's why it interacts oddly with cards sich as Sphere of Resistance.

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Originally Posted by Darkenslight

Sadly, no. Delve costs are paid as the spell is cast. That's why it interacts oddly with cards sich as Sphere of Resistance.

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I know delve lol. Sorry I meant for that to read like 6x sphere or something that holds it back lol.

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Originally Posted by Rock Lee

Newer Treasure Cruise build after 2 events now. Got 3rd last night in 5 rounds. My loss was to my own deck. went 19 turns without casting a spell against Jund due to no colored mana or tops to filter. Slight tweaking ensuing:

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what were the matchups you played against

Regarding Treasure Cruise

Are we really in the market for a draw 3, even if it costs 3 mana by turn say 4 or 5?
I also don't see how we get enough cards to make it cost less than 4 by turn 4 realistically w/o brainstorms/crop rotations/multiple fetches/getting wastelanded/getting our spells countered.
Now, let's say it costs 3 by turn 4 or 5. That's not that much better than Harmonize and/or Concentrate at that point, and that is unplayable. Of course you're playing it for the upside of costing U or 1U but the downside of being uncastable at all before t5 is too big for me personally.
I guess you don't need to cast it early but if it's just a late game card, is it better than Kozilek at what it does?
Is it because it shrinks goyf and DRS, at that point Kozilek "shrinks" goyf just as well. Goyf cant attack and if they edict you then Kozilek shuffles the GY just as well as Treasure cruise would remove it.

I am just not sure why it's needed in this deck.

Crazy thing Tim, is I love that idea.

@Rock Lee
How is it with no Needles? I would think you would want Needle for Liliana and Wasteland.

@TimHarding
Not sure about cutting Show and Tell it gets you there against the fast decks like Burn and Infect.

@Sauce
Treasure Cruise is for the midgame before you have enough mana to be playing Eldrazi like Kozilek. It also is pretty good versus discard. It is fine to be paying 3 for Cruise when your not quite at Titan or Eldrazi mana drawing 3 helps get you there or draws you a show and tell. What makes Harmonize and Concentrate unplayable is 4 mana with 2 colored mana in the cost so you can't realistically play anything else after you cast it. I don't think Treasure Cruise is a 4 of though. I been testing 2 Treasure so far cutting a Top and a Needle.

This is all far beyond my capacity of a turbo eldrazi player and even a magic player to speculate about. That being said, I do blindly follow the new builds hoping to learn and as such I ordered a 4-of of treasure cruise.
Oh wait I mean I ordered 4 playsets by accident. Anybody need one? Pm me.

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Originally Posted by caw_86

what were the matchups you played against

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Played against URW delver, UR delver, MUD, Jund (my loss, due to deck inconsistency), Enchantress.

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Originally Posted by caw_86

what were the matchups you played against

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Played against URW delver, UR delver, MUD, Jund (my loss, due to deck inconsistency), Enchantress.

I was testing Fow main and it was a large contributor to my success. I won game 1 against both enchantress and MUD because of it, and it was paramount to me being able to tap out after drawing 8 cards in one turn, but know I had 2 forces to back up anything they did.

Does this deck fill the graveyard fast enough to make the best use of Treasure Cruise? It just seems as if Cruise works much better in a deck chock-full of cantrips and cheap burn spells.