I won't accept ANKH being dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
In the meantime, anybody pick up foil Monoliths?
I won't accept ANKH being dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by denial
In the meantime, anybody pick up foil Monoliths?
I'm as pessimistic as the next fellow as to the silly things they do, but for the love of god there was not a reason for this. 3 days ago, mystical tutor was on no ones minds as THE card to ban. Everyone's been blindsided by it, and why? There has to be a reason, and since I don't see a good one yet, I assume its coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by GiantGrowth
They better not be trying for the '5 pillars of legacy' like they do in vintage. I'll cut a b!@#$
After reading their article about the new Extended, I think I'm more pissed off about that. Not because Extended is only 4 years worth instead of 7 now, but that it directly says that they want the new Extended to gain more popularity, and in then in so many words after that, indirectly says that they want Legacy to lose popularity and fall off the radar. Fucking greedy motherfuckers.
The new extended will be quite fun until TSP cycles. Then Wizard's can go fuck themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
The whole "Overextended" thing seems more likely to me now with the shortened extended thing. It goes from you get to use fresh cards for like 7 years to 4. Then what do you do with them? For the most part, you use them as proxies.
I have the urge to find Rav duals next month.
As a lifetime hater of all things blue I approve of this banning. Thank you Wizards.
EyeHateWotC
>:3
lol Grim Monolith has doubled in price already. This is going to get ugly.
That's funny, I didn't get that at all from the article. It more or less said they wanted people to be able to use the cards they acquired in Standard for a longer period of time. They felt there was a gap between Standard and Extended and that when it came time for Standard players to play Extended, the cost of getting a new deck (because they couldn't port their Standard deck over) made it not worthwhile and people were then moving directly on to Legacy as a better choice than Extended. So what they want to do is make that bridge from Standard to Extended a shorter one. I don't think that's such a bad thing. If I were a Standard player, I'd be happy I can most likely use my cards for a slightly longer period of time. One of the reasons I quit Standard was because of the fast-paced rotations. Extended decks were usually completely different from Standard and had little resemblance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
So, if I'm seeing things clearly, ANT proper is kinda fucked, Reanimator is still ok but considerably less consistent (and probably no longer tier 1), stuff like TES isn't affected all that much, and Belcher is still an option (although maybe not the best choice for a large event)... So it's not like "combo is dead," really, is it? I think it sucks for the record, but I'd like to believe they're not just trying to nerf the format altogether because Eternal formats aren't the best business model... Or are they really that evil?
It's not like Mystical Tutor is the glue that holds the format together or anything. Let's be honest - it is the most egregious enabler of most kinds of combo. Better to cover their asses and ban it now than have a shitstorm caused by a future printing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeDemonKn1ght
Sure a couple of decks will suffer. Big deal. A lot of storm decks didn't even play the damn thing until Ad Nauseam came out. Things will adapt and the format will still be just as wide open as it has been the last two years.
I agree, let's continue and ban LED in case it combos with something else in future. Oh and also Island, I hear it has a badass combo going to come about in 2015, so better ban it now before the shitstorm happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by majikal
Seriously? Proactively banning cards on the basis of possible combos with not-yet-printed cards? Did you seriously just say that?
Yeah, I did. I mean it's pretty overpowered as it is, right now. I've seen skilled combo pilots use it to puch through double FoW and a hate-bear for the win. This really doesn't follow the paper-rock-scissors structure that WotC seems to want to encourage. Combo should never be able to win through that kind of disruption.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
The fact of the matter is that MT enables combo to do ridiculous things, and it will only get worse with future printings. One of the criteria for banning a card is if it limits design space, and if WotC can't print some slightly overpowered instants or sorceries without fearing that any new combo decks they are included in will be too consistent because of some 14-year-old card, then I say let them ban it.
Edit: I'm actually surprised it lasted this long. I mean you've already got a deck that runs 4 Black Lotus and 4 Demonic Tutor. Why the hell should you need 4 more tutors? Not even Vintage decks get that kind of broken shit, and that's supposed to be the broken format.
Edit Edit: And I'm not just saying this because I'm some combo-hating aggro player. Far from it - I love combo decks and play them regularly. This banning decision negatively affects one of my favorite decks - DDFT. However, I recognize that the card gave that deck a level of resiliency and consistency that was just ridiculous, so I'm not at all upset about seeing it go. The deck can adapt, and it will still be a threat, just not as nuts as it used to be. And I'm fine with that.
Oh, Okay. I see how this goes with you.... Well i have seen a few times, Dredge punch thru 2 Leylines and a Jailer with a skilled pilot, I saw a Dreadstill pilot power out Cbalance thru K Grip, Pridemage, FoW. If we are just going to include hilite reels and not stats, why not ban everything that does not lose to 1 piece of hate//??Quote:
Originally Posted by majikal
Sorry for the off-topic, but what is ANKH? Only Ankh of Mishra comes to my mind, and I'm sure it has nothing to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastorofmuppets
This is just bucketfuls of wrong. Ludicrous claims like LED is Black Lotus and Infernal Tutor is Demonic Tutor is like saying Portent is Ancestral Recall. It makes me wonder if you ever even played ANT. If you have, you surely had moments where you had Infernal Tutor in hand and no LED . . . no Hellbent. Fail. Or have LED with Tendrils in hand. Black Lotus, it ain't. Oversimplifications like that are probably reasons why you came to such a crazy conclusion that Mystical was indeed worth banning.Quote:
Originally Posted by majikal
So why not make Dr.Jones jizz his panties and preemptively ban Force of Will. Surely that enables as many strategies as Mystical does and surely Force of Will in the format limits more strategies than Mystical did. So, by your measure, ban the bastard!
For that matter, ban Enlightened Tutor. That way R&D is free to print the most broken enchantments and artifacts they like. :eyebrow:
Bottom line is ANT and Reanimator were not format dominating or format warping.
I'd really like some explanation (that makes actual sense) from WotC's side on why to ban Mystical Tutor, because I don't really see why they would.
Also, fuck me for procrastinating on buying a monolith for my EDH. :(
That sucks donkey balls. I don't own ANT nor Reanimator but still those decks were by no means too good at all. And banning and then unbanning cards is about the most stupid shit ever as well as unbanning and then banning again. It makes prices go crazy and the format loses every reason why most people like it. Because its cheap, doesn't change too much and they can play whatever shitty deck they want.
No, what's crazy is thinking that a card that lets you grab every business spell in your deck for just one mana is not worth banning. Just because you're used to having it around does not mean it's healthy for the format.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
Have you ever played ANT? The whole deck banks on the fact that LED is Black Lotus and Infernal Tutor is Demonic Tutor. That's the interaction that makes the deck work. Adding MT to the mix just makes it that much more consistent. I'm not trying to say it's some unbeatable monster, but it's damn resilient in the hands of a skilled pilot.
But I digress, the discussion is not even about ANT. It's about Mystical Tutor. Stop changing the subject.
This is extremely intellectually dishonest. I have not argued that either enabling or limiting strategies is criteria for banning.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
I honestly would be okay with this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
Bottom line is the argument isn't about either of those decks. It's about Mystical Tutor.Quote:
Originally Posted by MMogg
I don't understand why Goblin Lackey didn't get banned before MT.