Can we expect a tournament report from Amin Younes who placed #2 at the SCG Legacy Open in Edison =)??
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Can we expect a tournament report from Amin Younes who placed #2 at the SCG Legacy Open in Edison =)??
I'm surprised this thread is so dead when the deck has posted good results and is also a ton of fun to play. Has anybody tried playing the deck without ancestral visions and replacing those with additional discard and vendilion cliques? In all honesty, the deck does not have a particularly exciting late game and from my playtesting, it seems like you really want more control mid-game. Visions can be a bit clunky at times and while you can set up the "ancestral recall" play with shardless, it does clog your hand a bit. Thoughts?
I've been fiddling around with a Waterfalls list that cut Ancestral Visions pretty much for the reasons you stated - it's pretty clunky late game. My issue was that every other card generates so much card advantage and you spend so much time setting up the Ancestral Visions cascade that you oftentimes just die with 7 cards in your hand.
Cascading is really fun as hell though!
I think the issue is that the people that play the deck at events a lot of the time just read star city articles about the deck and just follow like lemmings whatever the SCG people do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ac3eb
Exactly. It'd be interesting if some people posted tournament results here from time to time. I think the deck has a lot of game, though I've been finding the sideboard to be tricky. Because of shardless, some cards are a bit fishy to board in (i.e. spell pierce).Quote:
Originally Posted by Esper3k
Yeah. I have never seen any reports or anything. Again. While it is a fun and cool deck, most people just see that they can get an ancestral and they flock to it without thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by ac3eb
Haha quite true. Oddly enough visions was my least favorite card in the entire deck.
Yeah really - really the deck plays it because of getting to live the dream of cascading into it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ac3eb
I think this is largely thanks to BUG players being greedy as fuck by playing with Hymn to Tourach and Ancestral Knowledge, if you have Thoughtseize and Force of Will in the MD and/or you play with 4 Wasteland then the Storm match up is bareable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esper3k
Yeah I think it's actually probably more correct to play TS + Cliques (along with FoW) in a combo heavier meta than Hymn to Tourach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
//Planeswalkers (3):
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas
//Creatures (15):
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Baleful Strix
3 Shardless Agent
1 Snapcaster Mage
3 Tarmogoyf
//Artifacts (5):
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Crucible of Worlds
//Instants (10):
3 Abrubt Decay
4 Brainstorm
3 Force of Will
//Sorceries (6):
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Ancestral Vision
//Lands (21):
3 Wasteland
1 Academy Ruins
3 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Underground Sea
2 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Forest
//Sideboard:
1 Life From the Loam
2 Jace the Mindsculptor
1 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
1 Darkblast
2 Engineered Plague
1 Krosan Grip
2 Blue Elemental Blast
My brainstorm to a fun list with some spice and versatility for a wide metagame. It can grind like a hybrid and still beat down like a tempo. Therapy is pretty boss. However I feel the build is overall weaker to combo, particularly storm, and I could figure out exactly what I would want to cut, all the cards look like so much fun to play with.
Creatures for this deck are usually:
4x shardless agent
4x deathrite shaman
4x tarmogoyf
2x vendilion clique / 4x baleful strix
i was wondering how Gilded Drake would fit in this deck.
could replace cliques coz the drake cascades with the agent..but im just not sure if its surprise factor is worth the risk when ur opponent has no critters.
no need for cliques if u hav a few fows and thoughseizes.
btw, since no one wants untimely cascades, how about using seals?
seal of removal / of primodrium / of doom..
will probably hav to cut out some deeds and loams for these
Sadly seal of Doom costs 2B so we can't cascade into it. If it cost 1B I think it would probably see play. The others are kinda meh IMO. Except Imperial Seal. I wouldn't mind cascading into that ;)
Why the Engineered plague? Also what's your reason on running the Darkblast over the disfigure? Not criticizing your choice; I just want to know your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by noobslayer
As for anti-combo (esp storm), I like Flusterstorm. It's been treating me great so far.
The issue I have with Flusterstorm is when you cascade into it, it's just horrible. I would think we'd want stuff that is still usable off the cascade or can't be cascaded into such as Hymn or Clique.
Lejay seems to be winning fairly consistently with an interesting shardless list on MTGO. Has anyone been having any success with the deck in paper? I am curious how bad the combo matchup is.
Any links to Lejays list? I have been playing a lot of Shardless lately and enjoying it a lot. Only thing that I didn't really like that you can't combat random BS on the stack.
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital.../tourn/5196297Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipp2293
Ive been playing this deck online and I'm having trouble with the mirror matchup. When I change my deck/sideboard to adjust, it ends up doing poorly against other decks, mostly anything red. Maybe it is just my decklist, or the way im playing it, but if anyone else has been having this problem I'd love to know what youre doing to combat it. Other than that Im having a ton of success with my current decklist!
4x FoW
3x JtMS
4x Brainstorm
4x Ancestral Visions
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Tarmogoyg
4x Shardless Agent
4x Abrupt Decay
4x Deathrite Shaman
3x Baleful Strix
My sideboard is:
2x K-grip
3x Thoughtseize
3x Leyline of the Void
3x Duress
2x Pernicious deed
2x Umezawa's Jitte
Thinking about cutting the Strix and a couple ancestral visions to maybe and adding Liliana of the veil. The disruption in the sideboard may seem excessive but it really helps in the matches that the deck is weak against. Let me know what you guys think thanks!