Ghastly Demise is little to slow (my graveyard doesn't always fill up as fast as I need it) and I will admit I am mixed on Condemn, but Smother's consistency rocks.
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Ghastly Demise is little to slow (my graveyard doesn't always fill up as fast as I need it) and I will admit I am mixed on Condemn, but Smother's consistency rocks.
I ended up cutting the Piggies from my deck, though i run 7-8 fetches and its very rare that first turn I cant get a fetchland into the yard to support the ghastly demise. Also, its why I wouldnt run more than 2 Ghastly Demise.
I ran condemn and didnt like having to wait to use it when they attacked, b/c it didnt stop the goblin shenanegans of warchief-matron-driver-driver etc etc (well, not very well).
I need to test out smother myself, Im just trying to stick to 1cc removal.
Piggies are more important than you think. They are an alternate win con! (Yes I have won games with the Piggies)
They're just demoralizing. When someone shuffles it up with one of these, grabs a basic to completely foil your wastelock, activates top and then draws their choice of the top 3, you just slump in your chair, and it's all elementary from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cait_Sith
This true. In my finals match against Landstill, I made his entire Waste+Crucible combo worthless when I drew two Pigs in the course of a few turns. It makes it easier to play around Wasteland with that many outs to basics. Not to mention the shuffling for Top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego_Army_Man
I run 7 fetches and 7 basic lands w/ 3 STE, and I've found that i can do fine w/o the piggies.... tho i do miss thier shiney FNM glory.
Ok, why are people still running so few basics??? The deck can handle 9 basics very easily, which takes out a crucible wastelock on it's own.
I'm still running the 9 basics set up.
I haven't played since I swore off Jack Elgin decks, but I run 9 basics, because Jack Elgin doesn't.
Because I want to have BB on turn 2 consistantly, and I can run against a wastelock w/ 7 basics. Also, im not worried about wastelock as i can wish for Withered Wretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear102
I think the question is, where the Hell have you seen Crucible Wasteland lock recently that wasn't Landstill? And why are you having any trouble beating Landstill?
I know you're going to say 5/3, but I just want to pre-empt this by pointing out that that is not, technically speaking, actually a deck.
Why do I run only 5 basics? Because Wasteland will routinely kick your ass anyway. You might as well reduce Rishadan Port's ability to do so and avoid giving them an overly merry Christmas.
I don't think the Landstill matchup is one-sided as long as the Landstill player knows that Landstill is the aggro deck and that he has to Force/CS Senseis Divining Top.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Landstill has some serious threats with Decree of Justice and Crucible of Worlds. It can deal an annoying amout of damage with Faerie Conclaves and can create real card advantage with Standstill and Fact or Fiction.
If you play againt UR/Landstill you have to play against an opponent who draws a bazillion of cards and has 20 or more points of direct damage in the deck.
Of course your deck has good weapons, too, but I don't think that the matchup against the most underplayed deck of the format (in the USA) is more than 55% in TS favor.
I've been mostly playing against U/W Landstill and BHWC Landstill. Both of which have some good answers to your shit. I'd say it's around 50/50 for each deck. When I played against the U/W version at Parkland I had lost to it in Round 3, by just kinda getting crappy draws and him Waste locking me when all I could draw was non-basics. Then in the finals it was the exact opposite, I just curb stomped him game 1 with Echoes and in Game 2 Gigapede and later a Scarab took the game after I had exhausted his resources.
I haven't tested much against the BHWC version, but I expect much of the same. In the little testing I've done against both decks, just throwing alot of discard at them in the early game usually gets them off balance enough for you to get the advantage.
How about Engineered Explosives in this deck. Looks like it can act like Pernicious Deed 5-8.
I would rather have Crime // Punishment personally =/Quote:
Originally Posted by Henk
How about the new WoG? Damnation. Then you can drop the white splash.
Swords to Plowshares and Hierarch are replacable with other cards.
Don't forget Vindicate. You would have to replace the two best spot removals in the game, which is impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex_Van_R
Perhaps, but it definitely strengthens the mana base, as you no longer need double white.
It also weakens your solidarity matchup (no more vindicate...). Maybe the manabase would be worth it but I duno.
No, you can still run the White splash and all it's goodies, you just don't need WW for Wrath anymore.