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The deck doesn't have any Burning Wishes in it. That might be a hindrance to the whole Biorhythm plan. Are you proposing running Burning Wish in the main? Because it seems like that's going to harm the deck's overall consistency, being that they're not creatures and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by l_neiman
The deck does run burning wish in it. An no it does not harm the overall consitancy, it improves it. Where have you been this was announced like 3 months ago.Quote:
The deck doesn't have any Burning Wishes in it. That might be a hindrance to the whole Biorhythm plan. Are you proposing running Burning Wish in the main? Because it seems like that's going to harm the deck's overall consistency, being that they're not creatures and all.
News to me. I see plenty of people playing RGSA and I've never ever once come across a build with Wish in it aside from yours, which I didn't notice because it was in a decklist two pages back as opposed to edited into the opening post where it should be. No offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by quicksilver
Putting aside this confusion over whether or not Burning Wishes are in the deck, any thoughts on Biorhythm? Is it too expensive for its effect, or could it come in handy?
Luis
I could I only see it having some use against combo. But 8 mana!?!? Please, they should be ashamed if they hadn't gone off yet or don't have a counter for it.
Somewhere in there I know I said something stupid.
It's still unproven that the burning wish version is superior to the version that doesn't use them.
Against vialgobbos you can wish for pyroclasm what is a bomb against them. But does it improve the landstill matchup? I don't think so.
It actually does. With mainboard E.Witness, after Wishing for a Ruination, or Tsunami or even Decree of Annilation, these are must counters for Landstill, even with a Crucible on the table, they can't afford to let these things resolve. By the time they build up mana to Wrath/Disk/Vengence time, your Baloth/Troll has already dished out 12 to 16 points of damage, where is pretty much game for Landstill, since you can E.Witness them back over and over and force another Ruination/Tsuami/Decree through.
Yes burning wish is very good against landstill. It was the main match up that it was put in there for. Not only does it allow for lethal land destruction, but also handles humility if that hits.
Quicksilver-could you post your current builds, both the non-wish and the one with wishes included?
hanks :)
What changes would you make to the MD if you know a lot of the meta will be landstill?
Would you drop to 2 kavu and change them by river boa?
Would you drop 1 elder and replace them by a river boa?
With this changes I would have 4 troll ascetic and 3 river boa MD.
Just some thoughts I had in mind. But would it drasticly increase this matchup?
I run Biorythm in my sideboard, if I see there is a large number of combo and control decks. My wish targets are: Tsunami, Flashfires, Ruination, hull Breach, Regrowth, Pyroclasm, Biorythm, Reverent Silence. I have Gaea's Blessing too, but it's never a target.
I am also concerned about Landstill and other Control decks.
RGSA should be able to beat control, with the high number of "must-counters", but more often then not, Lanstill stabalizes, then Wraths away all of our threats and manages to win from there. I was also thinking along the lines of River Boa, and possibly Isao, Enlightened Bushi. 3 or 4 Boas and 1 Isao might help.....but I don't know that it actually will. Running 1 Caller of the Claw can also be useful against Wrath, but again, a single counter wrecks that.
With the sideboard, I have been tossing around the idea of 3 Choke and 4 Boil (this is obviously the non Burning Wish version of the deck) to try and hamper the control player. Resolving a Boil is not an auto-win, but it certainly buys you turns to try and win.
RGSA has an extremely solid matchup against Aggro and Aggro-Control (UG Madness), but against Control it often comes up lacking, and against combo the best you can do is hope for a fizzle. What can be done to improve the control matchup without losing what the deck has against aggro?
I don't think things like Isao and River Boa to "combat" Landstill are the tool we need to combat Landstill. The long game usually draws out a little bit for me against Landstill in a Wrath-Genesis war. Usually the mana to be able to pay a single mana more for Troll Ascetic and having a creature that can't be STP' is most advantageous. I don't think we should be including cards with islandwalk to solve the problem. 4 of the cards in their deck that are used to combat creatures be useless is a very good thing while trying to keep an advantage over your opponent.
The problem with this deck's game against combo is the decks main weakness. This question has been asked more times than I could begin to count yet I never see a good answer to it.
@baptist:
For landstill I would never put in river boa against it. That's just terrible since every single card in there deck can answer it with ease. Elder is way better than river boa.
I would never cut kavu's from the main unless there were no creatures in the format.
@Mulletus:
And the only match I would ever want biorythm for is against life. You have better wish targets against every other combo deck out there.
@ lyle h:
To beat combo you can do one of two things:
1. Put cards in the SB that are useful against a specific combo match. Example: null rod against belcher.
2. Add the black splash for duress and cabal therapy. With the black splash you of course gain better matchups against combo, like solidarity, but worse match ups against agro, like vial goblins.
So in conclusion, there is no cure-all for combo decks, you have to sacrifice something to gain something. It is just what you expect the meta to be like.
In my testing with Vial Goblins vs Landstill, I found that Flashfires was far more effective than Boil, since you only care about their white cards; Wrath of God, and in some versions, Vengeance, plus SB cards like Humility. The same seems like it would apply to RGSA.Quote:
With the sideboard, I have been tossing around the idea of 3 Choke and 4 Boil (this is obviously the non Burning Wish version of the deck) to try and hamper the control player. Resolving a Boil is not an auto-win, but it certainly buys you turns to try and win.
Flashfires also has obvious synergy with the Burning Wish build that quicksilver has been advocating...
Luis
Actaully the white cards are the cards I care the least about generally. Which is why I found the blasts to be not only very good against solidarity but also against landstill. Allowing you to force spells through there counters, and allowing you to shut off there card advantage by countering standstill.
Unlike vial goblins which really likes to beat down fast, this deck is much more controling and tries to resolve something rediculous, like survival or burning wish. And generally a burning wish for ruination or tsunami will be better than one for flashfires, since they run so few basic plains. And there really isn't much room in the SB for flashfires.
I'm just wondering if the Channel ability guys from SoK have been considered for a spot in mainboard as 1ofs, especially the green one.
Arashi, the Sky Asunder
3GG
XG, Tap: Arashi, the Sky Asunder deals X damage to target creature with flying.
Channel - XGG, discard Arashi: Arashi deals X damage to each creature with flying.
5/5
Jiwari, the Earth Aflame
3RR
XR, Tap Jiwari, the Earth Aflame deals X damage to target creature without flying.
Channel - XRRR, Discard Jiwari: Jiwari deals X damage to each creature without flying.
3/3
With the popularity on the rise for Gro varients as well as Fish varients, these two can really wreck house against the two archtype. While Burning Wish for Pyroclasm does the job, the Channel ability is uncouterable short of Stifle and it's instant speed. Especially the green one, 5cc for 5/5 with no drawbacks, double serves as a beat stick. Based on the BAII results, the field composed contains quite a bit of aggro/aggro control decks. RGSur suppose to have a good matchup against these decks... I'm looking forward to see the deck compete in GenCon.
I have put thought towards the green guy Arashi. Both have two great abilities, but he has a great abilities and is a 5/5 for 5cc. I doubt he will ever be a main deck dude, and I wonder what you would take out of the sideboard to play him at all.
The red guy, Jiwari, is just a 3/3, and his channel ability costs RRR to start. So with him, 4 mana would make a 1 point creature only earthquake, and 3 of the mana has to be red. A Burning Wish for a Pyroclasm, costs 4 mana also, but does 2 dmg to all creatures and only needs 2 red mana to work. That coupled with his tap ability not besting FTK's come into play ability and Sharpahooters untappy-ness, I think this guy doesn't belong.
Has anyone considered Ichneumon Druid for the Soliditary matchup? This would be much better then running Pyrostatic Pillar because it is fetchable with Survival. The Burning Wish version runs Boil/Tsunami but my suggestion is mainly for the non Burning Wish version. I think it could help the Burning Wish version if you can't find the Wish in time. I find it to be a good card unless they have Cunning Wish in hand as you cast it. This card has improved my Soliditary matchup rather than just running Burning Wish and Tsunami. That's just my 2 cents worth.