What are people’s thoughts on Search for Azcanta in miracles?
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What are people’s thoughts on Search for Azcanta in miracles?
Thank you for the spoil, I will test 1 off instead my third mentor
Any reason why anyone would rather play U/W Miracles instead of U/W/r, besides budget/flavour reasons?
I see the deck doing decently well in MTGO, but the number of Counterbalance's is still pretty inconsistent. Anyone care to comment on that?
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Originally Posted by trinkets
I switch it up between U/W and U/W/r based off of how many wastelands I expect, I also like being able to play back to basics over bloodmoon so as to not kill fetches.
If you want blast effect and Blood Moon, play uwr, simply no other reason imho.
I see. I was just wondering if the U/W version was strictly worse, since it seems to be less popular. Is that the case, or are they up to par?
Imho or a meta choice (for a little tournament, where you know if you opponent not playing many blue decks - and we want to play Leyline of Sanctity) or a budget choice for Volcanic.
In substance: UW version is solid, no doubt about this...but blast effects are very good vs U based and Blood Moon give us some gg. If you know your meta (and don't need blast/Moon), UW is a good choice.
So what would you consider the best strategy to fight Czech Pile and friends with UWr Miracles?
- Enough Red Blasts in the board, as well as Blood Moon?
- Which win condition, Entreat or Mentor? Maybe even Gideon, Ally of Zendikar?
In my opinion the best build to fight 4c is with two Entreats md and 3-4 Blasts in the sb. A Snare in the md does a lot of work too.
The first Entreat is used to deplete their resources, they can use Strix + Kommand or Push + SCM etc to fight through 3-4 Angels (if they can't they die of course, or if you disrupt them enough). This gives you the time to find a second and close it out, I've been really happy with Entreats for a while now. It makes the Delver matchup a bit worse as Mentor is better there, but given the state of the metagame at the moment I feel like EtA is better positioned. There's so many grindy decks with spot removal which EtA is completely unfair to.
Gideon is also very good vs 4c, and Mentor is fine out of the sideboard, but both are interactable with cards like bolt/kommand and chip damage from strixen and snapcasters to take down gideon, and Hymn or Leo to shut down the Mentor 'engine'. Entreat is only really answered by FoW, which is answering any other threats you bring to the table anyway, or Flusterstorm. Fluster is very easy to bait out with Predicts in the matchup, or since you have access to Entreat you have such a superior late game that you are given the luxury or playing a lot more reactively. It's not uncommon to make land drops and are able to play around Fluster fine.
For sure blast are strong vs Snapcaster but 4c is a Black-base deck and we need to counter his Hymn with Flusterstorm imho.
Our snap are strong and Blood Moon is not bad vs 4c.
Blood Moon don't totally block 4c because of basic Swamp and Island + Deathrite, but anyway can help us a lot.
I've win some games thanks to a super fast/protected Mentor.
This is a good plan in g1 if have the right protection for discard.
Maybe not the best but good.
I don't like Entreat but is good vs 4c, as is good vs Jund, Shardless and other grinding matchups.
Predict is very strong here because help us to restore the hand destroyed by discard.
Please, join the discord chat about Miracles:
https://discord.gg/3bhfek
Thx :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefanogs
Looks like Daniel Miller just missed out on top 8 with miracles. Anyone know if he posts on here or the list that he played?
Hi Guys! Today i've reach top8 in a Local league (35 players).
I'm playing Soothsaying Miracles, my list is the Stefanogs' one but i'm playing -1 Balance +1 Entreat and -1 Volcanic +1 Karakas.
Now a small report of the tournament:
R1 Elves: g1 (OTP) i've kept an hand with terminus, Jtms, Swords, 3 lands and a portent. Terminus won the game in combo with Jtms.
g2 (OTD) a blind flip of balance countered a lethal Shaman of the Pack. Gid Ally won 2 turns later.
R2 BRUG Delver: g1 (OTP) several cantrips but 0 removal... lost to 1 flipped delver.
g2 (OTP) Terminus into Jtms won the game
g3 (OTD) t1 Soothsaying, t2 Balance, t4 Blood moon and easy win.
R3 Eldrazi Aggro: g1 (OTP) I thought i was against goblins so i kept and hand good against Goblins... lost to a t1 chalice of the void with multiples copy of Swords in hand....
g2 (OTP) Kept and hand with disenchant, Fow and a couple of cantrips. He started with t1 chalice, t2 i've countered his thorn of ametist plus disenchant on chalice. t4 mentro plus brainstor and gg 2 turns later.
g3 (OTD) My opponet put in play 3 ancient tombs and he didnt' see any differnt land all the game... the tombs killed him softly :)
R4 BUG Midrange: g1 (OTP) I've lost to liliana of the veil ultimate into jtms ultimate.... was however a long grindy game!
g2 (OTP) i've kept and hand with 2 fetches and a lot of cantrips. Never find the 3rd land...
R5 Infect: g1 (OTP i know... i was luck with the dice today) Oppo mulled to 4... easy win
g2 (OTP) multiples swords, reb and 2 terminus won the game
R6 Sneak and Show ID
Top 8 BUG delver: g1 (OTP) can't find any removal... i had 6 lands and soothsaying! Incredible game... lost to a singleton TNN
g2 (OTP) same as the game before... 1 swords and gg....
Was my first tournament with Mircales and the deck seems pretty strong
Congratz fgi88 for your performance.
How did you sb vs brug delver? I see That you win g2 thx to hace. As a lot of people tell me to don't keep jtms vs red delver deck I would like you have your (or from others) opinion and sideplan vs brug delver and why not pile
Against Brug delver i've boarded out the full set of Fow and the 3 balance. My side in was: 3 REB, 2 Blood Moon, 2 Flusterstorm. Side out jace is not a wrong idea but i've the superpower to open my starting hand always with 1 or more terminus... so jace is not only a win condition but also my 5-6 brainstorm. Also miracles have few ways to win the game and only 2 mentors against a deck running push, Bolt and decay are not enough in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldensun
We have the same superpower... that's why after the top ban I played several month with scroll rack which is totally awesome with cb, terminus, protect from discard. Pity pile is in the meta and play too much kolaghan commands.
Why you in fluster over cb? Cb van can win the game alone and protect mentor right? I prefer draw a cb than a counterspell in this mu
Flusterstorm is there to fight Hymn to tourach, post board he put in Abrupt decay so CB is less strong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldensun
Any chance I could get an invite to the miracles discord? Old one is expired :(
hey there,
new miracles player here and new to the source.
I wanted to hear some opinions on a basic mountain as an sideboard option in an UWr miracles list.
Also, do u sideboard in blood moon against delver variants since the top loss? before i always considered countertop-lock enough with blast effects, but now im not sure yet.
@beherast: Welcome to the source!
Mountain is good in lists featuring a heavy red splash (e.g. 2 Pyroclasm + 3 Blasts +1 Wear// Tear in the board). This helps against Delver or D&T to get a "safe" manabase and still being able to sweep the board.
Generally Mountain is a very controversial card. I for my part like it, mostly in lists with only 1 basic Plains to avoid being screwed of double U in the earlygame, due to having 3 non-U basics postboard.
So I'd say the decision depends on your sideboard and on your expected metagame.
Atm I'm playing with 3 Volcanic, cause BUGx-Midrange deck with 0-2 Wastelands are more prominent than denial-Delver or D&T.
In the past I've tested a lot of miracle variants (Entreat, CB, Mentor) to some quite good results in local tournaments (back to back wins with ~20 ppl).
While I don't know which list is the best in an open meta, I'm coming to the conclusion (along with many miracle-friends, who had this conclusion even earlier), that 12 Cantrips (4 Portent) are the way to go with this deck.
The flexibility and constancy of this deck are some of the major draws to Miracles over other Control strategies atm.
3 Jace seems to be pretty important, too imo, as you need your win-buttons or topdecks in the Czech/BUG MU's a lot.
Might I obtain an invite to the Discord chat? Previously posted links not working, and thanks!
https://discord.gg/e2G7mRG
^This link will never expire.
Thanks for the link!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stefanogs
Has all the discussion in this thread been moved to the Discord chat?
Mostly, yes, it's quite active and much easier to have an actual discussion than it is on a series on forum postsQuote:
Originally Posted by koten
I tried that discord link but it says its expired....
Does anyone know what happened in SCG last night?
I heard that a Miracles player had the first seed (13-0 or something) and then he was dqed!!
I think i seen it was for improperly discussing splits or something to that effect.
Yes, Daniel Miller discussed prize splitting in association with a result before the swiss was over (afaik from the stream commentators).
Despite the DQ, Matt Kuranda ran it back to an 8th place finish with a U/W list that ran two Search for Azcanta and two Unexpectedly Absent.
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=116974
Damn! I was waiting for them to post his decklist then noticed his name was gone all of a sudden. Anyone happen to know the list he was on?Quote:
Originally Posted by god_campbell
Getting back into Legacy, and strangely enough I am much more into this deck now then ever before. Top made the games so tedious and slow, but now the deck operates much more as a midrange control deck (at least to me) than a pure control. This makes it more appealing. Just bought into the deck on MTGO and trying to play as much as I can with my busy schedule. Again I am much more into a midrangey version so cards like Gideon and Mentor are right up my alley. Cannot see myself playing Entreat anytime soon. Here is my first draft (understand that its standard but lmk if I made any really dumb changes.)
4 Scalding Tarn
4 Flooded Strand
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Counterspell
3 Terminus
2 Unexpectedly Absent
3 Tundra
1 Arid Mesa
4 Portent
3 Predict
4 Force of Will
3 Monastery Mentor
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Karakas
5 Island
2 Plains
2 Containment Priest
1 Invasive Surgery
1 Council's Judgment
2 Flusterstorm
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Back to Basics
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Supreme Verdict
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 Disenchant
1 Pithing Needle
It was one of the wackier decks I've seen. I played him in round 8, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by koten
In the maindeck, I saw double Back to Basics, Gideon, Ally of Zendikar, Unexpectedly Absents, Entreat the Angels and Counterbalances. I believe Mentors were in the board, though I'm not 100% on that.
Everything else seemed normal; Predicts, Jace, Snapcasters, Swords, Ponders, etc.
He has been doing very well with his eccentric lists. If I am not mistaken he had Top 8'd EW 2016 and Eternal Extravaganza 7. Came in 9th at EW 2017 and was the top seed after round 13 at SCG DC before the DQ. Very impressive results from him!Quote:
Originally Posted by funnywille
Daniel Miller's 13-0 list can be found in this excellent Sean Brown article:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles...-washington-dc
It is UWR with Counterbalance (but no Soothsaying), one Gideon, Unexpectedly Absent, Council's Judgment, a basic Mountain, no Volcanics, and a Wear/Tear. Crazy stuff!
I love the work Sean puts into his articles each week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Arschmann
Am I off base to say red with no Volcs seems pretty indefensible, card availability aside? Being forced to get a mountain for blasts against combo seems dreadful, especially with the amount of UU in the deck.
The basic mountain is great vs Delver decks for sure.
Obv this choice lose power vs other control decks.
In the right meta could be the right solution.