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As RaNDoMxGeSTuReS already pointed out, Carpet is a "slow" card in the sense that we can use it mainly as a Ritual that provides 2 mana when we want to go off and it's pretty useless against most decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piceli89
I loved the card when I was playing DDANT, but TES wants to go off ASAP and with doing that, Carpet of Flowers doesn't help you too much.
So I've been switching back and forth between 4c/5c TES and UBG ANT.
Folks from your experiences, which has been better against Merfolk?
Legacy is finally starting to pick up in my meta and kiddies are running with Fish. And there's some Vengevine Survival decks floating around and maybe one person playing Countertop.
Not sure which to sleeve up for the tourney next month.
Wow, why do people call you a dick?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
I would love both very much.
If your main concern is beating Fish + UG Survival, play 4 Xantid Swarm somewhere in the 75. The only real answer those decks have to that card is Force of Will. Daze is easy to play around, and Spell Pierce, BEB, and Cursecatcher can't interact with it. Xantid Swarm only really suffers vs Countertop decks, but you said it isn't really played in your meta, so 4 Xantid Swarms are an easy choice.
Max McCall has been suggesting a 4C variant with 4 Swarms MB. His manabase is:
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Badlands
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
1 Tropical Island
1 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
Seems like a solid choice in your meta. I would definitely play red. Burning Wish is too good to give up.
I'll be attending a small Legacy Turney next saturday. It's going to be my first experience with legacy in an actual turnament.
I liked Storm Combo in Vintage since early TPS, which I think plays a little bit like TES. And let me tell you I enjoy TES so much, I just want to play it next week.
My Problem is picking the right variant. I've got no real idea what the Meta will be like, but the typical changes recently occured was an increased amount of Survival Decks. non-blue Survival is quite a good matchup, since I usually win Turn2.
I have not had any chance to play blue survival, and thats where I need your help.
What list would you try expecting some Merfolk, some Goblins, Survivals (Vengevine,Ooze,Welder,etc.) and some Bant?
I read you guys would propably play 4 Xantid Swarm and 4Colored for this Matter. Why Is that? Does chant/silence not pretty much do the exact same thing? Except that it hinders your opp. from attacking and adds +1 on Storm?
Thanks in advance & Have a nice Weekend,
GexxX
This is what I'm currently running with only slight changes to the board (Meltdown and no Dark Confidant).Quote:
Originally Posted by x8eikdls
For some reason I prefer having Orim's Chant against Bant.Quote:
Originally Posted by GexxX
So I'd say play Bryant's 5c list with chants. I usually run with that when I don't know "exactly" what I'm up against. It's a solid choice.
And eat some buffalo chicken. If you don't, you're probably not a good storm pilot.
I'd definitely run Xantid Swarms here. When you're playing against tempo decks like merfolk and survival, xantid does a lot for you. For one, it doesn't need to be played the turn you go off, which can be pretty relevant when mana is tight. Against these decks, it stops pretty much everything but cursecatcher. In my testing, an early resolved swarm against Merfolk or Ug Survival almost guarantees a win. It is also pretty strong against bant as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by GexxX
I'm a pretty big advocate of it. I say you should goldfish around and play a few test games against the decks you expect and see how it feels.
I'm still running Chant. I play Bryant's 5C list with a modified manabase to accommodate for 4 Xantid Swarms in the board. Im running:
4 Gemstone Mine
4 City of Brass
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
I think that's the old manabase he was running, not entirely sure.
The decision on which protection spells to run is pretty simple. If your meta is Fish and Survival, play Swarms/Chant/Duress. If your meta is CB variants, play Duress/Thoughtseize/Pyroblast.
Long time reader, first time poster. Hello Source!
I've been playing TES since Mr. Cook created this deck. With 4x plunge to darkness and other fun stuff. Yesterday I attended the National championships in the Netherlands with Bryant's latest list with some small personal preferences (-1 ponder -1 chrome mox, +2 cabal ritual).
I've won some small tournaments and top8'd here and there but never in a big tournament so i was pretty excited to play! The deck ran really smooth for me the whole day and i entered the top8 with 6-1-1 (losing to goblins, really?). In the top 8 i won against Dark Horizons and Show and Tell combo.
The finals were a bit of an anticlimax. I had to play against UBR Ant with 7 mainboard discards and 2x Ad Nauseum. I faced this deck earlier in the tournament and was able to beat it so i thought my chances would be pretty good. I still think i have a positive MU against ANT with my MB chant's and my opponent having discard. Anyways i lost 2 times by drawing slow hands and my opponent playing 5 discard spells in a row.
In the end i walked away with 15 dual lands and 2nd place at this awesome tournament!
PS. Bryant i'm Maykels friend who visited you and let you sign an empty the warrens and a tendrils for me. Thanks for that!
Congrats on the finish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Roel
I was playing a NL-ANT list beating you in the finals, not playing red.
You had some doubtful hands which I could easily tear apart with my discard spells, and with I was I did enjoy the finals and the fotoshoot afterwards.
Also my list is where it belongs...ANT thread.
and again, grats on your great performance!
Yeah really ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roel
It's not very unlikely, since TES runs tons of non-basiclands and Goblins have manadenial and a pretty fast clock.
Nevertheless, combo is a tough MU for us, but you sure have better MUs.
Anyways: congratulations for the great performance!
So someone at my LGS is starting to play Lands! and asked me to help test with TES. I never really played the match-up before, so I'm looking for advice on how to play it optimally. Pre-board, it's relatively easy since the only relevant cards he has is Zuran Orb, Tabernacle, and Mindslaver (and none of those are really that bad), but I'm having trouble post-board. It's hard to play around Chalice long enough before he can Mindslaver lock me. What should I be doing in this match-up?
^ well the first thing people will want to know is what kind of list you're playing, with sideboard, and what kinda list he's playing and how he plays it. Does he go chalice for 0 on the or chalice for 1? You should be favored even post board if all you have to fight through is a chalice of the void.
burning wish -< shattering spree.
problem solved.
or if you don't play rainbow lands
burning wish to pulverize and then kick his ass.
Rouge.nine: I'm playing 5-colored TES and he's playing Green/Blue Lands with Mox Dimonds. He plays Chalice for 1 if he has a Mox Dimond, and Chalice for 0 if he doesn't.
Practical Joke: Yeah, I know I need to Burning Wish for Spree, but I have trouble reaching double or triple red before he starts recurring Mindslaver. And even then, he can get back Chalice with Academy Ruins. Should I be mulliganing for Wish or just plan on drawing into it if I don't see it?
Remember it's best of 3. Even if you lose game 2, you can easily beat them game 3 since you'll play first and you can potentially have a turn 1 win or at least a cantrip into wish into shattering spree for his chalice. Slaver lock should never happen since they need 12 mana every turn to maintain it and that my friend happens very late in the game unless the lands player has a 'god' hand. Zuran orb is relevant though but if he only has chalice but no orb you should win with ease. The only other relevant cards they have are ports and wasteland. Don't be afraid to use moxen aggressively pitching red cards other than wish and the same goes for petal.
You should also be boarding in two Echoing Truth and the one Wipeaway to avoid only having Burning Wish -> Spree.
You should always win game 1 vs Lands, which means you get to be on the play game 3 if there is one. Chalice in combination with Wastelands can be a beating, but when you're on the play you can lessen the impact of Chalice pretty easily. Play out all your artifact mana on your first turn to get around chalice for 0. It lowers your storm count pre-Ad Nauseam, but casting Ad Nauseam with 2 storm is better than not casting it all. Since Lands puts no pressure on you, your life should be high enough to draw enough cards to build the storm post-Nauseam.
Getting double red for Shattering Spree can be slightly difficult with a chalice on 1, since Rite of Flame is shut off. If you're on the draw, and a chalice is on zero, lotus petal and chrome mox are shut off. I've been running Meltdown in place of Shattering Spree and been pretty happy with it lately. It's only worse vs Canonist (which I have Oust for) and Trinisphere (which is hardly seeing play nowadays).
If you expect more Chalices than hate bears, Echoing Truth should be played over Chain of Vapor in the board. Chalice for 2 is rare, so Echoing Truth is the best bounce spell to answer it. Chain is better vs hate bears because it costs 1 less, allowing you to go off a turn quicker (Turn 1 land go, EOT bounce Teeg, untap win). If you aren't sure, a 2/1 split one way or another doesn't hurt.
Bryant, why you are not playing Krosan Grip anymore?