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And given the prohibitive cost of the lands the new format will use (which is quite ridiculous), people might as well turn be attracted to Legacy instead of Modern. Say the shocks get a reprint after Innistrad at best, well, that's in a long while, all things considered. The "damage" will be done.
People fearing any harm to the Legacy scene with Modern fear not. As long as the staples get pricier, people won't shy away from Legacy... if anything, more could be attracted to it.
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rukcus
Modern is a joke. On MTGO, for instance -
Tropical Island [ME4] 17.25 (sell price)
Breeding Pool [DIS] ~24 (sell price)
I can't take this format seriously when the inferior land is worth more than the original.
I don't take Modern seriously either, but I disagree with the logic:
Strip Mine [4E] 2.70
Wasteland [TE] 46.15
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Originally Posted by
rukcus
Modern is a joke. On MTGO, for instance -
Tropical Island [ME4] 17.25 (sell price)
Breeding Pool [DIS] ~24 (sell price)
I can't take this format seriously when the inferior land is worth more than the original.
OH MY GOD, ON MTGO, SOME OF THE LANDS ARE WORTH MORE THAN THE LEGACY DUALS.
Here's some more facts on mtgo
Force of Will [ME] 128.00
Cryptic Command [LRW] 8.00
there's also ya know; real life when Trop is worth about 3 times breeding pool
Vindicate is about $80 on mtgo
Pernicious deed is 45
lions eye diamond is 95
Learn to argue or shut up
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dontbiteitholmes
Seems like the only time anyone ever talks about Modern is when they are trying to trade off Ravnica Shocklands.
hear hear!
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honestabe
Learn to argue or shut up
If it was a choice between MTGo vs Paper, then some of your argument would make sense.
If it was a choice between Vindicate vs Pernicious Deed, then some of your argument would make sense.
I'm not comparing synonym utility cards or "nearly similar" counters.
I'm comparing Dual Lands.
Learn the difference, and you'll look like less of a baffoon.
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Ok, which one of you jackasses went and bought every copy of Woodfall Primus from every online store?
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It's been that way for awhile. It's very popular in Commander.
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Is the reason Thoughtseize is so expensive mostly because of Extended? It sees Legacy play, but that alone can't justify the fact that it's 15-20$.
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Di
They have DCI judge foil Natural Orders. Been out for a while really.
Yeah, I knew about but forgot about it the judge foil at that time. No one will want a slightly miscut Natural Order for more than a normal one then.
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trivial_matters
Is the reason Thoughtseize is so expensive mostly because of Extended? It sees Legacy play, but that alone can't justify the fact that it's 15-20$.
Modern?
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[sic]
modern?
I don't think so. It's been like this for some time now, from before the recent Modern craze.
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Originally Posted by
trivial_matters
Is the reason Thoughtseize is so expensive mostly because of Extended? It sees Legacy play, but that alone can't justify the fact that it's 15-20$.
Unlike many Legacy staples, it's also a Vintage staple. In fact, it's probably more important in Vintage than in Legacy.
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trivial_matters
I don't think so. It's been like this for some time now, from before the recent Modern craze.
Yeah, I think it was somewhere around 15-ish when it was Standard legal and seen play in Extended and Legacy and I don't recall it ever getting lower than that which is a bit odd. It's certainly good but I'm not sure if it's worth quite that much.
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What do you guys think is the likelihood of seeing foil FNM Mental Missteps?
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keys
What do you guys think is the likelihood of seeing foil FNM Mental Missteps?
.5%
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dontbiteitholmes
.5%
And five years from now.
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That's easy, when does it rotate?
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Magic-MTG-Ravnic...#ht_499wt_1412
At this point, the 2nd highest bidder should just bid $820 if he really wants the Bob that bad :P
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Well then, that's an expensive Dark Confidant.
-Matt
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Free shipping? That does it for me. I bought a box of Russian Ravnica. I don't remember what my foil rares were though.
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Looks like we have a genuine bubble at this point. Modern isn't even officially a paper format and people are speculating on it. I'm going to laugh when WotC decides to keep it online only and everything comes crashing down.
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They announced Modern was now a sanctioned format. They interrupted SCG Seattle to announce it. It was a big deal. I'm not sure if they were referring to online or paper, though. Anyone at SCG Seattle remember that?
-Matt
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Hi,
what do you guys think is a fair price for an
Asian blackbordered NM+ Sylvan Library
Its from 1996, so I guess its 4th edition? Not sure about that.
Thanks in advance!
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Magiccardsmarket has black bordered German NM at 18€, English from around 23-27€, so Asian should be like 40€-50€. Maybe even way more.
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Originally Posted by
Shizzow
Hi,
what do you guys think is a fair price for an
Asian blackbordered NM+ Sylvan Library
Its from 1996, so I guess its 4th edition? Not sure about that.
Thanks in advance!
Depends whether its chinese/japanese or korean.
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Originally Posted by
Julian23
Magiccardsmarket has black bordered German NM at 18€, English from around 23-27€, so Asian should be like 40€-50€. Maybe even way more.
Only Korean is worth more than english legends. Japanese is around same as english and chinese is maybe even less than german.
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Originally Posted by
dsck
Depends whether its chinese/japanese or korean.
Only Korean is worth more than english legends. Japanese is around same as english and chinese is maybe even less than german.
I don't collect foreign cards, so I may very well be wrong, but I was under the impression that FBB cards from core sets were worth significantly less than original English cards from old sets (Beta, Antiquities, Arabian Nights, Legends, etc.).
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@dsck: yeah, you're right. I didn't realize those black bordered cards were of course from Legends.
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
They announced Modern was now a sanctioned format. They interrupted SCG Seattle to announce it. It was a big deal. I'm not sure if they were referring to online or paper, though. Anyone at SCG Seattle remember that?
-Matt
Online initially, but paper too at some indeterminate point - Forsythe announced it at the Comicon panel.
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Thanks for your help so far. To specify the question, here is a link with a photo of the card. I really dont know whether its Korean, Japanese or Chinese.
http://www.mtg-forum.de/index.php?s=...dpost&p=732719
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Shizzow
Requires registering to see pictures :(
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Looks different from Koreann and Japanese. So Chinese or something? I don't know...
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It's 4th edition BB so it can't be japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Edi..._The_Gathering)), Korean is much thinner and less... busy? I also believe korean cards had thick lettering for 4th edition. (search up a korean StP)
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It's definitely Chinese Fourth. I have some of them lying around here.
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Nessaja
Incorrect, Japanese BB fourth does exist.
I've opened starter boxes of them and sold a few Sylvan Libraries, Bolts, Ball Lightnings, etc.
As to the picture, definitely Chinese.
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It's Chinese, I've had a couple of each at one time or another and know a few people who can read them. The spacing on the letters is the giveaway to me.
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As mentioned yesterday, Woodfall Primus has indeed jumped recently for being popular in EDH, and I notice Volrath Stronghold has, too, at now close to 20$. Generally prices are down during the summer, but I've shopped around in the last 4-5 weeks (well-known and less known sites, eBay, some brick&mortar stores) and it doesn't seem to be the case this time around. Sure I nabbed a few things here and there, but nothing really striking. No playsets of Monoliths for 50$ and sets of Grindstones for 45$ like last summer.
Could it be because of the excellent timing of EDH precons, coming out right before the summer? Or I'm I completely mistaken and you guys did witness a drop in prices?
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Originally Posted by
majikal
Looks like we have a genuine bubble at this point. Modern isn't even officially a paper format and people are speculating on it. I'm going to laugh when WotC decides to keep it online only and everything comes crashing down.
I agree here, for several reasons, at least with respect to the shocklands. I've already commented tangentially about this previously, but I thought I'd spell out my logic:
1) Shocklands will almost certainly be reprinted (since the ability to reprint them is the whole reason Modern exists and appeals to anyone at all). Moreover, it will be reprinted at rare rather than mythics (Rosewater has explicitly stated that "utility cards... [such as] cycles of dual lands" will not be mythics).
2) Shocklands will have lower overall demand than standard-legal fetchlands such as Zendikar fetches during their time in Standard. This is because both will see play in Standard, EDH, Cube, etc. (probably comparable). Since Fetchlands see more play than even the original dual lands in Eternal formats, I am almost certain that Fetchlands will see more play than shocklands in Modern/Extended for similar reasons. And of course, shocklands will not see play in Vintage/Legacy.
3) Shocklands will have greater supply than standard-legal fetchlands such as Zendikar fetches during their time in Standard. This is because the Zendikar fetches were the original enemy fetchlands, whereas Shocklands will be a reprint adding to an already large existing supply of shocklands from Ravnica.
4) The Zendikar fetchlands could easily be bought for $8-10 during their time in Standard, after the initial preorder hype. I think this is an upper bound for shocklands when they become reprinted for Modern/Standard after initial price stabilization. The fact that shocklands are going for 2-3x the upper bound at this point, even before Modern has officially become a paper format, strongly indicates to me that this is a bubble.
If for some reason, prices continued to stay above the upper bound I predict despite a reprint, it's probably because of "price memory/stickiness/inertia", which has caused cards like Imperial Recruiter, Loyal Retainers, Strategic Planning, Survival of the Fittest, etc. to remain at higher prices despite outliving their usefulness. I don't believe this would apply to something that would be printed on the scale of shocklands though.
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Originally Posted by
sdematt
They announced Modern was now a sanctioned format. They interrupted SCG Seattle to announce it. It was a big deal. I'm not sure if they were referring to online or paper, though. Anyone at SCG Seattle remember that?
-Matt
The StarCityGames crew announced that at SCG Seattle. SCG isn't an official source, but I believe the initial announcement from Wizards representatives was made at Comicon, which had been going on the day before. I'm wondering if anyone went to that Comicon.
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Lord, were you at SCG Seattle? I was the guy wearing the shirt and tie :)
-Matt
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sdematt
Lord, were you at SCG Seattle? I was the guy wearing the shirt and tie :)
-Matt
I was at Seattle; unfortunately, I don't think I saw you. :frown:
